What Things Did You Think Zodiac Lied About?

ZteveMcQueen
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April 13th, 2018, 11:34 am #1

Like my signature says, Zodiac was a liar. You can't assume anything he said was true. 

What things do you personally think he lied about? 

I'll start:
  • I don't think he killed 37 people.
  • I don't think he built a bomb of the type and size he claimed - one capable of blowing up a bus - or that he buried a bomb that would explode months later (in the fall).
Zodiac was a liar. There's no reason to assume anything he said was true.
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Regal_Legal_Beagle
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April 13th, 2018, 2:29 pm #2

I don't mean this to be sarcastic, but I really think the list would be much shorter to say what we think he was telling the truth about.

I think he was trolling hard.
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fxbby74
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April 13th, 2018, 4:20 pm #3

He lied about not giving his name in the 408 .

He told the truth about having his identity in the 408 .
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April 14th, 2018, 1:32 am #4

He lied about just wanting Bryan and Cecelia's keys and money.
Zodiac was a liar. There's no reason to assume anything he said was true.
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Paradice
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April 14th, 2018, 6:46 am #5

He claimed if no one wore his buttons he would punish people of SF by annihilating a school bus.  Also, he claimed he would have a blast (set off bomb, presumably) if all details about his bus bomb were not printed on the front page.  He claimed he would go on a kill rampage all weekend if the 3 papers he sent portions of his cipher did not print their portions on their front pages by Friday afternoon.  He threatened to punish his "slaves" in the afterlife... Whatever he meant by that threat, I don't see how expected to fulfill that threat.  

Typically, if Z wrote if you do not do (A) I will do (B), then whatever he was threatening was almost certainly a lie.
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HebrewWolfman
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April 16th, 2018, 9:32 pm #6

he told Cecilia Shephard and Bryan Hartnell that he was in jail (allegedly Deer Lodge, Montana) and broke out free while killing a guard, which is a lie. he was a newbie criminal who probably never committed any murder or crime before the murders of David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen in Lake Herman Road (20/12/1968). he had problems with killing poor Betty Lou and had to shot her 5 times after she managed to run from him.

he kept on this mentioned lie and claimed he "need their car and money" since he "was on his way to Mexico" which is another lie cause he stayed in San Francisco Bay Area for years to come.

he also claimed "had no problems to kill them cause he already killed a couple of men", it is an utter lie - all he did was kill those two poor teenagers and Darlene Ferrin a month and a half earlier. he probably feared men and Bryan who was 6'8" scared him so he needed to bluff to get the upperhand there, he also seemed to have an extra hatred for women considering he stabbed Cecilia in her groin and shot Betty Lou 5 times while David was only shot once. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a virgin and this "getting your rocks off with a girl" line from the z408 was just his way of masking it. he was fat, short and nerdy looking, I doubt any girl had slept with him.
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Regal_Legal_Beagle
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April 17th, 2018, 6:18 am #7

HebrewWolfman wrote: he also seemed to have an extra hatred for women considering he stabbed Cecilia in her groin and shot Betty Lou 5 times while David was only shot once. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a virgin and this "getting your rocks off with a girl" line from the z408 was just his way of masking it. he was fat, short and nerdy looking, I doubt any girl had slept with him.
I'm not sure we can say he had any special hatred for women. Cecilia was panicking and struggling because she saw Hartnell getting stabbed. He played dead, but she didn't. David was shot once in the head (first, I'm sure, to neutralize the bigger threat, the male), but Betty Lou tried to flee, so he shot until she was subdued. Since it was a .22 (small rimfire caliber) and he never hit her in the head, it took 5 hits.

Also, there's evidence indicating he was not short. The two people who were face-to-mask with him at LB indicated he was 5'10 to 6'.
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April 17th, 2018, 8:30 am #8

Well that depends on the attitude, where i live 6 feet is below medium...
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HebrewWolfman
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April 17th, 2018, 11:08 am #9

Regal_Legal_Beagle wrote:
HebrewWolfman wrote: he also seemed to have an extra hatred for women considering he stabbed Cecilia in her groin and shot Betty Lou 5 times while David was only shot once. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a virgin and this "getting your rocks off with a girl" line from the z408 was just his way of masking it. he was fat, short and nerdy looking, I doubt any girl had slept with him.
I'm not sure we can say he had any special hatred for women. Cecilia was panicking and struggling because she saw Hartnell getting stabbed. He played dead, but she didn't. David was shot once in the head (first, I'm sure, to neutralize the bigger threat, the male), but Betty Lou tried to flee, so he shot until she was subdued. Since it was a .22 (small rimfire caliber) and he never hit her in the head, it took 5 hits.

Also, there's evidence indicating he was not short. The two people who were face-to-mask with him at LB indicated he was 5'10 to 6'.
Traumatic events tend to cause people remember/imagine their attacker was bigger than they actually were. Also he was standing above them on the slope: look-for-a-tim-or-timothy-among-the-sus ... ml#p127790
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April 17th, 2018, 1:16 pm #10

HebrewWolfman wrote:
Regal_Legal_Beagle wrote:
HebrewWolfman wrote: he also seemed to have an extra hatred for women considering he stabbed Cecilia in her groin and shot Betty Lou 5 times while David was only shot once. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a virgin and this "getting your rocks off with a girl" line from the z408 was just his way of masking it. he was fat, short and nerdy looking, I doubt any girl had slept with him.
I'm not sure we can say he had any special hatred for women. Cecilia was panicking and struggling because she saw Hartnell getting stabbed. He played dead, but she didn't. David was shot once in the head (first, I'm sure, to neutralize the bigger threat, the male), but Betty Lou tried to flee, so he shot until she was subdued. Since it was a .22 (small rimfire caliber) and he never hit her in the head, it took 5 hits.

Also, there's evidence indicating he was not short. The two people who were face-to-mask with him at LB indicated he was 5'10 to 6'.
Traumatic events tend to cause people remember/imagine their attacker was bigger than they actually were. Also he was standing above them on the slope: look-for-a-tim-or-timothy-among-the-sus ... ml#p127790
I think he lied when he said he looked totally different when he did his "thing." I think he lied about his "Riverside activity." He lied about the "wild ride" he took with Kathleen John. I doubt he used a disguise for his crimes. I doubt he was involved in the Riverside murder until after it went down. I very much doubt Zodiac kidnapped Kathleen John.
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