Was Earl Van Best jr. the Zodiac killer?

THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL OF ALLTHUMBS DOWN!!!
Discussion of this new Zodiac book by author Gary L. Stewart should be posted here
Was Earl Van Best jr. the Zodiac killer?
TomVoigt
Site Owner
TomVoigt
Site Owner
Joined: 21 Feb 2007, 04:35

13 Jul 2015, 02:25 #91

"there ya go Tom man says hes got proof"

You are either an idiot or a troll. Either way...see ya.
Reply
Like

JudgeJudy
Old Newbie
JudgeJudy
Old Newbie
Joined: 03 Dec 2013, 02:10

09 Jan 2016, 23:29 #92

Well proof has to be backed up with good, solid, undeniable evidence. Sadly we see ideas and feelings being put forward as "proof" all the time, but the good, solid, undeniable evidence never makes an appearance.

I think we are all starting to see the problems that the police keep facing with the Zodiac case. So much time has passed and there has been a huge amount of water under the bridge. People keep coming out of the woodwork left, right and centre with supposed evidence that never seems to materialize or which has (conveniently or unintentionally) been destroyed or disposed of many years ago. Some of the stories may be true, but lack sufficient evidence, others may be complete fabrications told by people who are seeking attention or publicity, other stories may be true but have been embellished over time because the witnesses are trying too hard to convince others. People name suspects who never were suspects - just because they have "a feeling" or "a hunch". Others have even claimed they knew (or still know) the Zodiac, but the problem is he is not the same individual that they all remember. So they then start bickering amongst themselves about it. Many of these suspects have died. It just goes on and on and on.... and I suspect the tangled mess that is Zodiac will only get more confusing as time continues to drift by.

I am not trolling. I am just stating the obvious facts of the matter. I can understand people's frustrations.

In my honest opinion the Zodiac will only be found when he dies and a huge amount of good, solid, undeniable evidence is found in his estate. But somehow I suspect he has been very good at covering his tracks. We need to be honest with ourselves. He may never be identified.

I have always personally believed that there may have been more than one person who made up "the Zodiac". At least I think one or two may have been committing the murders and one of them (or someone else known to them) was acting as their "publicity agent", writing the letters, ciphers, cards etc. This is just my opinion, nothing more. But at least it is an honest opinion. I do not have any need for fame or entertainment, so I have no wild and compelling stories to share. I will never claim to have known the Zodiac as this would be impossible, given that I live on the other side of the planet. Yet I still recall all of those chilling news reports as a child, as they often made it to our corner of the globe.

We had our share of shocking murders during that same period in history, some of which were so gruesome they may have even made the Zodiac cringe, but thankfully most were solved quickly and the murderers sent to prison. We do have one cold case in my area, with witnesses and family members who swear to this day that they knew the identity of the killers. One of the suspects is still alive and well. I believe their stories as they do have ample evidence, but for some reason the police seem reluctant to arrest this suspect. I guess they know he will just worm his way out of it on some technicality, given that the murders took place in the 1970s when he was just a young man and most of the other alleged offenders have died. He can just blame the others for commiting the murders and come away from court looking clean and fresh. However another triple homicide from the 1970s has also been re-opened here following new evidence, which has resulted in the alleged offender being charged. He is still to face court. It remains to be seen if police have collected sufficient evidence to form a case that satisfies the judicial process or if the alleged offender will walk free.

The erosion and corrruption of evidence increases greatly with time, and this is a huge obstacle for those seeking to solve cold cases. It is also of little comfort to those who seek justice for a murder after such a very long period of time has passed.
Last edited by JudgeJudy on 10 Jan 2016, 02:22, edited 3 times in total.
 "If you want to make your mark in popular culture you should never let the truth stand in the way of a good yarn." ~ Heard in passing.

"The only sense that any reasonable and rational human being can make of the Zodiac is that nothing about the Zodiac makes any sense at all. We can therefore conclude that 1) the Zodiac was not a reasonable and rational human being, and 2) if we continue to use reasonable and rational thought processes to catch this criminal we will continue to fail miserably."  ~ Heard on radio in 1972.
Reply
Like

Joined: 23 Feb 2007, 23:25

10 Jan 2016, 03:19 #93

JudgeJudy Quote:I have always personally believed that there may have been more than one person who made up "the Zodiac". At least I think one or two may have been committing the murders and one of them (or someone else known to them) was acting as their "publicity agent", writing the letters, ciphers, cards etc. This is just my opinion, nothing more. But at least it is an honest opinion. I do not have any need for fame or entertainment, so I have no wild and compelling stories to share. I will never claim to have known the Zodiac as this would be impossible, given that I live on the other side of the planet. Yet I still recall all of those chilling news reports as a child, as they often made it to our corner of the globe.


JJ , I agree with that pretty much.

The sad thing I think is that yes there are people who want to be a part of the Zodiac case who say their father , brother, uncle etc., are thee Zodiac. So many of them that when there is truly a person who has met the Zodiac face to face and has articles that he has given that person, no one wants to believe it, it sounds to good to be true, because of all the BS that has taken place by others who have lied. And it is because of those people, the case stays unsolved, instead of a good Det. looking into the possibility that this person is not making up stories to gain any sick sort of fame , but truly wants to help get the Zodiac caught and can with the right help.
I believe that Zodiac was a person who traveled , so he could have been in your area JJ we just don't know for sure.
Like you I believe that there were at least two, but I also believe that they both did some writing and both some of the killing. Like the one who killed Stine was not the one at Lake Berryessa is what I believe.( Based on the very different descriptions )
Reply
Like

Sierra
Old Newbie
Sierra
Old Newbie
Joined: 07 Jan 2015, 00:27

12 Jan 2016, 02:02 #94

JudgeJudy wrote:
...

I have always personally believed that there may have been more than one person who made up "the Zodiac". At least I think one or two may have been committing the murders and one of them (or someone else known to them) was acting as their "publicity agent", writing the letters, ciphers, cards etc. This is just my opinion, nothing more. But at least it is an honest opinion. I do not have any need for fame or entertainment, so I have no wild and compelling stories to share. I will never claim to have known the Zodiac as this would be impossible, given that I live on the other side of the planet. Yet I still recall all of those chilling news reports as a child, as they often made it to our corner of the globe.
 
 I also though the Zodiac Killings may have been done by more than one person working together, but when I made a post suggesting it - the post got deleted. I posted that the Zodiac "team" could have been like the Beltway Sniper team which had a 25 year age difference between the two men. There is some speculation that the Beltway Sniper team were homosexual lovers, but I can't find definitive proof. The two major Zodiac suspects like males: Allen molested a boy, and Giakowski was a homosexual - although we don't know his age preference. Homosexuals back then were very secrative.


.

 
Reply
Like

JudgeJudy
Old Newbie
JudgeJudy
Old Newbie
Joined: 03 Dec 2013, 02:10

12 Jan 2016, 02:23 #95

Sandy, it must be very hard for you. The big problem from a police point of view is contamination of evidence. For example when someone has evidence in their possession for a while, large parts of it get eroded. Things like fingerprints and the like. Other people's fingerprints end up all over the evidence for example and the circumstances of its collection will always be in doubt. Police generally only like the evidence they collect fresh for themselves. Other people bring them evidence and it is more often than not automatically deemed "contaminated". I can understand the problems from both sides: witnesses and law enforcement officials.

Sierra and Sandy, I'm glad others have had this suspicion as well. Sometimes I am reading the reports and I think there could have been only one Zodiac. Other times I wonder how he could have done all that on his own in such a short space of time. There are some incongruities that still make me wonder if the Zodiac was more than one person. Perhaps some nerd in the counter-culture who loved popular culture got to know a guy who was a serial killer and they decided to concoct the crime of the century? This scenario is entirely plausible, but presently impossible to prove. It is just a feeling I have, which is worthless.
 "If you want to make your mark in popular culture you should never let the truth stand in the way of a good yarn." ~ Heard in passing.

"The only sense that any reasonable and rational human being can make of the Zodiac is that nothing about the Zodiac makes any sense at all. We can therefore conclude that 1) the Zodiac was not a reasonable and rational human being, and 2) if we continue to use reasonable and rational thought processes to catch this criminal we will continue to fail miserably."  ~ Heard on radio in 1972.
Reply
Like

Sierra
Old Newbie
Sierra
Old Newbie
Joined: 07 Jan 2015, 00:27

12 Jan 2016, 03:33 #96

JudgeJudy wrote:
...

Sierra and Sandy, I'm glad others have had this suspicion as well. Sometimes I am reading the reports and I think there could have been only one Zodiac. Other times I wonder how he could have done all that on his own in such a short space of time. There are some incongruities that still make me wonder if the Zodiac was more than one person. Perhaps some nerd in the counter-culture who loved popular culture got to know a guy who was a serial killer and they decided to concoct the crime of the century? This scenario is entirely plausible, but presently impossible to prove. It is just a feeling I have, which is worthless.


 
David Berkowitz claimed to be part of a Satanic group that killed several people. He claimed he only was involved in two of the attacks, but ended up taking the blame for all of them. Most likely he is full of ****. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ber ... ult_claims

 “Journalist John Hockenberry asserts that, even aside from the Satanic cult claims, many officials doubted the single-shooter theory, writing, "what most don't know about the Son of Sam case is that from the beginning, not everyone bought the idea that Berkowitz acted alone." John Santucci, Queens District Attorney at the time of the killings, and police investigator Mike Novotny both expressed their convictions that Berkowitz had accomplices. Other contemporaries have voiced their belief in the Satanic cult theory, including Carl Denaro and Donna Lauria's father."
Reply
Like

TBain81
Old Newbie
TBain81
Old Newbie
Joined: 03 Oct 2009, 02:23

02 Mar 2016, 01:31 #97

So when is this movie that EVBJr talked about coming out??

did i miss it??
Reply
Like

Joined: 23 Feb 2007, 23:25

02 Mar 2016, 05:42 #98

TBain81, I doubt that it was ever shown. I am pretty sure that I wasn't alone in contacting the producer of the show, telling him to do some real investigating , before looking foolish doing that story.

I told him that he could read the comments on Zodiackiller.com, if he wanted to save himself some time investigating.

The story about Gary being born and what he went though growing up, would have been a great true story, without putting Zodiac into the mix.
Reply
Like