## CODE DISCUSSION

Discussion of this new Zodiac book by author Gary L. Stewart should be posted here
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I think I was all around this but didn't post this 888 version .  As part of the EARL 444 find  , BEST is the 4th 4th 4th and 6th  in their respective chains . The best letter positions 216 + 217 + 218 + 219 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 6 = 888

EVBJR = Zodiac

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I want to talk about the concerned citizen card mailed 8/10  , There is some great info that ties into this post here : http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=224 thanks Morf for getting the card and i believe Dave Oranchak who runs that site i hopefully just linked.

​Something made me look back at this card . I didnt realize when it was mailed 8 /10 which happens to be day 222 = VB  If you go by rows to "  key " and count the letters you have 12 and 16 to the word " key" 12 x 16 = 192 - 408 = 216 where B in best starts with VB .  This matches other letters i have presented.

​The real prize here belongs at the top of the right hand column Q )  F K L M Dave questions this in his breakdown .  This person who sent this adds K and L to the cipher breakdown , why ? Why does he combine both Q symbols ?  I think i know why.

​Q + Q = 34 Q being the 17th letter in the alphabet . Lets view this as it is written out Q ) F - K - L - M   I want to add FKLM together = 42 Interesting because HNT at point 233 in the 408 THE heart of EVBJRS name = 42 ( notice a ciphering / deciphering mistake one in the citizen card and the other in the 408 both producing the number 42 , FOUR TWO = 118 the 340 mail date   )  How about now we take Q or 17 X 42 = 714 So that line produces 7 / 14 / 34 EVBJRS birthday , thanks to a combination mistake and 2 letters added to this chain for no reason , and luckily are the right ones to add to 42 .

​A couple other items here staying on that right hand side column add up all the letters written down they should Q F K L M etc....   = 314

​Heres my second favorite part outside the Birthday . with ( BEST ) wishes  , WITH WISHES = 143

​In my opinion this Citizen card was mailed by Zodiac based on the calendar day alone 222 with the previous Zodiac intro letter on day 216 . These two letters just so happen to tie dirctly together in one spot in the 408.  He planned on mailing this KEY no matter what. He wanted the 408 solved , it was all planned ahead of time . He wasn't mad the 408 was solved. The 340 was part of the smoke screen  , which points back to his name in the 408.

​Mike

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The 2 stand alone major ciphers ( distinctive for not being within a written part of a letter , the size etc...  ) the 408 and 340 as shown in the heading above added = 748 - 714 = 34 So EVBJRS birthday works here just  like 1220 + 714 = 1934

​What if we write these ciphers as they were presented 408340 I'm going to take the 34 away and set it aside and now write it out 4080  take the attack date numbers added or EVBJRS b day 7 x 14 x 34 = the same number 3332  4080 - 3332 = 748 subtract that 34 we set aside = 714

Using cipher totals and when the ciphers were mailed  , using a persons birthday and a multiplied version of that same birthday to get back to that birthday of 7 14 34

​Part of this Im Just going to add here , i just showed the first attack above and EVBJRS b day   , the second attack on 7/4  7 ( 143 ) 4   , the 3rd attack 927 x 3 = ​2781 - 3332 = 551 - 408 = 143

​mike

​Some of this might have been previously posted sorry :)

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Epotts if your out their , i too have had a similar train of thought about the Zodiac putting his birthday as an identifier within the codes , I have found his birthday several times  . I believe as well that most if not all of his clues/letters point back to his name in the 408 . Once Daniel found EARL as part of BESTJR that was my theory at least. I have searched the G and N circuit before but you triggered me to revisit a couple of items with an expanded view.

​First the 408 GNCD or 71434 are letters which represent the numbers which make UP EVBJRS birthday. Those cipher symbols are all present in the 408.  I want to go to the first one of these symbols and add up their positions counting down  .  GNCD are located at points 22 46 49 and 137 These numbers should look familiar 22 = V  , 46 = BEST ,  49 = EIGHT = 8 ,  137 our backwards maildate and a backwards counting hit on E from EARL 7 over 13 th row counting backwards .  Now i want to find these same letters within the plaintext message counting down . the letters GNCD these should be at 11 12 21 and 64  add both groups together they = 362 GNCD or 7 14 3 4 to this number this = 390 the End of the plaintext message in the 408 but more importantly 390 brings us back to EVBJRS birthday  7/14 falls on calendar day 195 195 + 7 + 14 = 216 which has VB the start of B EST  VB = 222 or two two two = 174 which is day 195 - 7 - 14  so 174 + 216 ( 42 apart a match from the citizen card and point 233 )  = 390

​I'll post the rest of my 340 work later  , a couple of quick items i noticed and i think i already posted previous a B at point 216 a Z at point 143  New to the mix the Z symbols at  42 143 242 and 333 convert to four two one four three etc = 612 GNCD positions counting down add to 88

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37 pages and counting leaving number clues, the guy would not have had time to do anything else esp. kill.

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Hey Ratman , I too have thought as i've been searching through the codes and letters that this is time consuming complicated stuff.  My attempts to explain are probably more complicated than some of what Zodiac did. Take the concerned citizen card example  : oops i combined the two different Q symbols add the right couple of letters to the equation and poof i have a birthday. Or look at the G N C D example he adds up the first GNCD plaintext letter locations and then plants cipher symbols to compensate to get the number he wants. He just needs to follow a chain to hide the fact he did this.

​My premise is that Zodiacs world revolved around the 408 cipher and the calendar obviously . All the letters mail dates etc seem to point back to it. seems complicated ? We don't know how long any of this was planned ? Say everything was planned after the first attack ? I think it was planned before as the real Key here is his birthday and name but anyways....  Say he decided to take out his anger and embarrassment on someone , he drives around one night and kills . Then at some point later within the 222 days between ( had to get that number in sorry ) the first murder and the 408 he decides i'm going to EFF with San fran because they laughed at me send out a cipher after i kill again etc...  so using the 222 days say he only has 3 - 4 hours a week to complete a 390 ( birthday again ) character cipher ( my first paragraph above is longer ) thats 100 - 120 hours to work on his message ,  Plant thEBEST or the BEST at the 215 and most importantly B at 216 positions. This is the hardest part of the cipher landing EBEST where it is , his real focus here is a couple of rows 17 across around his name ,  look at all the small words to the left of his name  . He wants to highlight his name so he breaks the cipher into 3 parts and luckily for him he doesnt have to carry the filler out to far to get his 408 birthday in.  Somewhere along the line he thought about how to get his birthday in at point 233 and at point 216 etc....  Pencil to paper math  , the cipher part was counting backwards picking out the characters etc...  Just like 444 to Earl . the actual name parts after EBEST is JRVAN backwards L /A are cipher symbols he can plant anywhere to create his name. much much easier than attempting to put his name in with just plain text.  how much time did he think about this versus actually working on it ? He did plan ahead looking too the My name cipher and that 444 i already mentioned.

​Now he would certainly know what clues he was trying to leave with later letters mail dates etc...  the hard part was already done with the 408.  If i can think of other ways to express his birthday 7 x 14 x 34 than he certainly could. again math. how time consuming were the attacks anyways ? the first two attacks he had the dates already ( i believe )  and just drove around until he found someone to attack. The 3rd he did make a costume obviously planned ( did he want to get in the by rope water and knife at one time , maybe he planned on tying someone up and drowning them at the lake ?  ) , the 4th attack he needed to have a get away plan , so probably cased the area but he also called the victim too him . Also the 3rd and fourth attack while more complicated both are after the 408 was mailed. The time involved here is nothing versus the time he could have had or needed to build the 408 with some future plans involved with it . He could have worked on it most nights 1-2 hours who knows ??? that scenario leaves up to 10 weeks of 40 hours to build  , plan , adapt to his birthday etc... before he mailed the 408 . There was a lot of time where he was inactive between the first attack and 408 .  I  think i'm being reasonable here ?  There was a lot of potential time to figure out most of this just from the first attack on  , imagine if he started planning before the first attack ? He could have been thinking and planning without even working directly on any of this . More than enough time to pull this off.

​Mike

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The chronicle letter  , written a little differently than the other 2 mailed  parts of the 3 part cipher. Zodiac in the Chronicle letter in order I , Killed , shall . want . will . will . end . Note here their is an I wth a +  i'm not using because it is not a word. Using these words i want to use substitution and count over 17 letters , just like the width of the 408. killedshallwantwi this = 195 which happens to be calendar day 7/14 EVBJRS birthday  . What made me look here was the my name is cipher.

​I was looking to reinforce the My name is cipher Find . Add up the cipher letters AENKMNAM = 57 so i decided to add the other letters not used with the evbjr points in the 408 those = 118 as i have shown. I figured EARLVANBESTJR was used up with the cipher. 118 + 57 = 175 - 408 = 233 The center point of EVBJR.

​so looking at the message below the cipher and the words that follow " I " Am hope was talked have was ,  those letters with substitution = 233 , the fibonacci number at the Heart of EVBJRS name .  Take this a step further , the I locations in the paragraph ( haven't checked the chronicle yet , or any other letters  ) " I " fall at 1 , 50 , 72 , 142 , 272 , 347 add those up and it should come to 884 this is the same number as the start points of EARL 215 VAN 251 BEST 216 JR 202 in the 408  ,  884 Also notice something else here with the I positions as they are added , 1 + 50 = 51 = EBEST and 49 or EIGHT in between 1 and 50  ,  51 + 72 = 123 ( the back of the my name , how it is formed ) + 142 = 265 - 408 = 143 265 + 272 ( a section of the 408 ) = 537 - 408 = 129 exorcist and 537 - 390 = 147 = EVBJR and EIGHTEIGHTEIGHT from the 408  537 + 347 = 884  Also notice here we already had 143 bringing the 408 into the mix  , the last I and the previous I  347 - 272 = 75  , there are 74 numbers in between these last 2 numbers. So the  " I " locations in the my name cipher can build 71434 EVBJRS birthday once again.

MIKE

​Mr. ratman or Dave if i remember correctly Zodiac had 121 days from the Belli letter to the My Name , I posted earlier that i believe he built in items like EARL 444 into the 408 with future plans in mind. So that name cipher not a big deal AEN plus 4 minus 4 plus 4 etc...

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Looking over the EVBJR name in the 408 i was planning on posting a simplified breakdown of his name and the elements to it.  He plants THE BEST at the right location, JRN are cipher symbols N added from out in left field into a cipher chain at the perfect spot. He places V with B ( not using Garys version of VB at the same point )  Yes he has too line up some words to get what he needs over 3 rows. Look at what we have already EBESTJRNV , 9 letters out of 13. Add to this the backwards L  , it is a mistake. While it belongs in the letter A chain S should be where the backwards L is located in Earl. So we have mistakes right next to each other at points 232 and 233.

​Looking at LA X the missing S = 247 , i'll bring in a little help here 390 the end of the readable 408  247 - 390 = 143  Add up all the letters present at the side by side mistake points including the letters which should be at these two points LASHNT = 74  7 143 4 his birthday once again. Right next to his birthday at point 233 7th letter , N or 14 plus T or 20 34 7/14/34  In case we missed his birthday  , he gives us 2 other clues here . That missing S or 19 next to the added N covering T or 1934 his birthyear. While i'm going off a little here THAT backwards L and A represent the 2nd and 4th letters in EARL TWO + FOUR = 118

​This part here takes away the 444 EARL chain coincidence , if you still believed their was one between the my name and the 408.  Anyways the first clue Zodiac mails on calendar day 212 is the 408 . Notice that there are 2 attacks before the 408 mailing and 2 after . He could have done the 12/20 attack in 69 instead of 68 . 2 attacks occur before EVBJRS birthday and 2 after. I know anyone born from 7/5 - 9/26 would apply here to be fair.  So EVBJRS birthday his 35th birthday happens to fall between these 4 attacks.  There are 12,785 days from 7/14/34 to 7/14/69 .  I was doing a little experimenting 7 x 41 x 43 = 12341  So do you see what happens when we subtract these 2 numbers from each each other ? your left with 444. He blended and represented his birthday into everything he gave us. There happens to be 420 months to his 35th birthday with the my name mailed on 4/20   EARL VAN BEST JR is the ZODIAC . Do i need to list everywhere and how his birthday is represented ? The attack dates = 7x14x34 to the concerned citizen , to 408 , to 216 over and over etc... He is the ZODIAC.

​Another thing here if you count from EVBJRS 35th birthday back to the first two attacks you will have 10 and 206 or 216 days combined . The last 2 attacks ( i need to review as i can't read my own notes :) i have the numbers 567 - 714 his birthday = 147 = EARLVANBESTJR.

​I don't know if i mentioned this before as well 7/14/34 - 1/29/74 exorcist card ( not including 1/29 ) = 14,444 days

Mike Hallifax

​Anyone have anything to offer here ?

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From my last post , EVBJRS birthday his 35th birthday ( 35 + 53 = 88 ) in the middle of the 4 attacks very simply produces 444 ( date to date - inverted birthday multiplied then this happens )  which happen to hit EARL in the 408 and carry over to the my name as a key to EARL.  the 3 positions of earl in the 408 are all the 4th in their chains.

​His birthday inverted = 12341 7 x 41 x 43  , 12341 with substitution = ABCDA  , i want to take that 444 number to the 408 cycles for the letters ABCDA and count out 4 then 4 then 4 at each of these , use the cipher letters present which i will show converted back to numbers ( 0 represents a non cipher symbol ) the results are 0 7 7 22 22 0 5 5 0 6 0 0 0 7 7 added = 88  Just a simple match again and circle. Also three + five = 98 or 7 x 14  two divisors for 98 . This fits into the other work i have shown. 88 also = STAMPS double postage = 176 which is 4 x 44

​Now The 444 points at EARL . NE LA R count within these letter / cipher chains or cycles. You will get in order 27 13 12 to EARL, i want to use these numbers to break the EARL cycles in half without counting the EARL points, in order you get 26 , 12 , 11 up to EARL  ,  the other side of Earl the remaining counts from the chains are in order 25 , 10 , 7 . Sorry about the headache  ,  So I count to the vertical EARL points have a number to EARL a number at EARLand a number of remaining number of cipher/  letter combos after Earl.  The groups add to 52 49 and 42 add together = 143  , invert these numbers and add = 143 the numbers 2 7 1 3 1 2 etc from the 3 groups actually add to 44 as well.

Staying at EARL and using the number counts to EARL 27 + 13 + 12 + the EARL positions 215 + 232 + 249 = 748 = 408 + 340 = 714 + 34

​696 is the EARL group added by position. The start of of EARL row 13 # 11 or 143  also writing it down from right to left 7th position 31 like our mail Date so you would read this 137 add to the EARL positions 696 = 833  This number happens to be 1/4th of the combined attack dates and EVBJR multiplied birthday number 3332 . Luckily we have N/E being the 4th of its group at the lead of  EARL .

​Notice how his birthday and name works with the 408 once again. The 408 is EVBJRS masterpiece because its about HIM.

​I have other numbers fro m Earl like 888 but will spare you .
Mike

​Someone posted on Garys site that they found EARL VAN BESTR JR in the Halloween card . I'm not the only one that sees it. I should try and post it again as i kind of forget about it it was like a year and a half ago when i found it. crazy

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