"ROBERT LEONARD *****"

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"ROBERT LEONARD *****"

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28 Nov 2017, 23:22 #1

There are TWO viable suspects for the "ZODIAC" murderer and BOTH of them were at one time or another in the custody of the Vallejo police---- the first one the very night of the Blue Rocks Springs shootings, the other ONE FOUR months later. There is no evidence for the first one beyond the police report testimony, BUT THERE IS for the second one. I shall deal with the first one first.

According to the report filed by Officer Meyring, on the night of July 5, 1969 at 12:10 AM Meyring and his partner received a call about the shooting in Blue Rocks Springs parking lot. He stated that upon arriving at the location he observed a vehicle traveling south on Columbus Parkway at 20mph. A SUSPICIOUSLY slow speed, but possibly one calculated by a guilty conscience not to draw attention to a culprit speeding away from a murder scene of a double shooting. As if to further cause suspicion WITHOUT intending to do so but again motivated by a guilty conscience, the driver STOPPED and backed up to the nearby parking area apparently WITHOUT (since there is NO mention of it in the report) the officers signalling him to do so. AND WITHOUT waiting for them to approach HIM, or even to order him out of the car, the driver identified by his driver's license ID as "ANDREW Y.****" (last name blacked out of publicized copy) got out and approached THEM!! The officer reported that as the subject was offering them his ID he made the conspicuously SUSPICIOUS statement "IS THIS ABOUT THAT GUY LAYING DOWN BACK THERE?"!! Now, WHY would someone ASK such a question about someone apparently in GREAT trouble, and WHY, IF he happened to notice him in the dark of midnight laying on the ground, which begs the question HOW did he notice him, didn't he STOP and HELP??
Though it was stated that the search of the vehicle on the spot produced no evidence of a weapon, it COULD have been discarded BEFORE the police encounter, or just very well hidden. As if to further distract from any suspicion, the suspect had with him a FEMALE companion and they were both taken in under arrest for suspicion of a felony. But from what I have seen the story ends THERE. WHO was "ANDREW Y. ****" and WHY did he make that comment?? DID the police even ask him about making such a suspiciously callous remark and IF NOT, then WHY?? WHY was he going so suspiciously SLOW AWAY FROM the scene of the crimes??

IS there ANY further police information about "ANDREW Y. ****", then 19 years old DOB 2/4/50, and IF SO I would like to see it produced on this website.

The SECOND suspect is more interesting: On November 8 at 2:20 in the morning, Officer Richard Hoffman brought in to the station an odd character identified as "ROBERT LEONARD *****" (again, last name blacked out in the publicized copy of the police report filed by Sergeant Joseph Lynch on NOVEMBER 9, 1969, a VERY SIGNificant date as we will soon see)  who was reportedly found sleeping in his vehicle parked at the northern end of the BLUE ROCKS SPRINGS parking lot where the shootings had occurred just FOUR months before. According to "ROBERT'S" statement, he worked as a JANITOR during the day from 7AM-3:30PM at the RHEEM MANUFACTURING COMPANY in San Leandro and ALL he had ever had were menial jobs. YET, at the time of his arrest for questioning, he was ODDLY dressed in a fashion UNsuited for a JANITOR: "a black fedora, a NEW grey ILL FITTING suit, white shirt, blue and white checked TIE, a REVERSIBLE VEST, NAVY BLUE one side, grey checked with BLUE and RED stripes on the other side." He claimed to HAVE WORKED THAT DAY (though OBVIOUSLY NOT dressed for the occasion!) and was apparently coming back late to his ODD San Francisco address after having had dinner in San Leandro followed by a supposed visit to a friend in Sonoma. He claimed he didn't leave Sonoma until around midnight heading back to his hotel (the Sweden House) he had occupied as a "permanent residence" since August of '64! He admitted to not living there "continuously". The reason he "explained" he was found asleep in his vehicle at that ODDLY late hour in an area that had recently been the scene of a murder was because he "missed the turnoff at Blackpoint and drove down Highway 37 and then onto Columbus Parkway. He became 'tired' and when he saw the parking lot he pulled off to take a 'nap'. Stated he parked the car and didn't get out." WAS HE the MURDERER later known as "ZODIAC" returning to the scene of his crime to find 'repose', as some are known to do?? The VERY ODD thing about him that I think makes him a legitimate suspect is that the report stated "ROBERT had in his possession an envelope that had writing and printing on both sides. States that he did this writing and printing today [11/7/69]. ALSO NOTED ON THE ENVELOPE WERE FOURTEEN [14]  SYMBOLS, these all similar. ROBERT explains these as being "keystones". Some contained numbers, other didn't." The report went on to describe the symbols as not 'appearing' to be the same as the Zodiac's. A photocopy was made of the envelope but I have been unable to find any image of it online. I think THIS site would also be good to exhibit such evidence, which must have been among the items the site creator pored through at the Vallejo police station. ROBERT denied however owning a gun; claimed he had never been in the military; and had never been arrested. Interestingly enough for his age back then of being of 48 years old, he also stated he had NEVER been married. His final statement was a "cryptic" comment that he "frequently makes notes and has kept many of them in his room in San Francisco." UNBelievably, the report not only made NO mention of the content of the "writing and printing" found on the envelope, but apparently DIDN'T even bother to inquire as to WHAT was the nature of his voluminous "notes" that he allegedly kept in his San Francisco hotel room!! He was SIMPLY RELEASED and never heard from again, as far as I can find!! 

BUT he apparently left "traces"! While the shooter AND the mysterious phone caller about the shootings was frequently described as "young", being in his twenties or thirties, Robert was early middle-aged at 48 at the time of the crimes. In the "Zodiac" letters he consistently refers to his victims as "those kids" or "juveniles" or "teenagers". IF the killer really was as young as his twenties the victims were AT LEAST as old as he and so it does NOT make sense he would likely refer to them as "kids". In the mid-1970's the killer sent the message about "The Exorcist" movie being "humorous". "ROBERT LEONARD ....." was a member of the "Church of Christ" and so was NO disciple of Roman Catholicism.... NO wonder he would have found the idea of a PRIEST becoming possessed by the devil to be "funny'! That there IS a possible "Christian" influence upon the killer is evidenced in the way he sometimes draws the cross-T of the Zodiac's target symbol with the emphasis of being a CROSS in a solar circle, which could also represent a halo OR the elevated "Host" wafer. BUT the CLINCHER as being the visual evidence that I have discovered, is the October 1970 Halloween "greeting card" addressed to Paul Avery (misspelled "Averly on the envelope) of the San Francisco Chronicle. The first image of the skeleton doing a little "jig" with a pumpkin covering its mid-section, led me to at first think that the killer was alluding to his last name as being something rhyming with "pumpkin".... such as "Plumpkin"; partly because right next to the image is the writing stating "I feel it in my bones. You ache to know my name, and so I'll clue you in..." BUT, when I looked closer and focused on certain details, I saw PARALLELS with those mentioned in the 1969 arrest report: the number FOURTEEN (14) , like the number of the symbols written on his envelope he had with him that day, is not only written in the upraised hand of the skeleton, but as "4-TEEN" on the other side of the card. The skeleton's hand with the number on it is also making an "OK" sign with its forefinger and thumb in the shape of a number "SIX" (6). The other THREE conspicuously upraised fingers PLUS the number SIX formed by the other two equal "NINE". Not only the "Magical Number Nine" of the Beatles song released in 1969 BUT the DATE OF THE POLICE REPORT FILED BY SERGEANT LYNCH OF "ROBERT LEONARD ******'s" ARREST: NOVEMBER 9, 1969!!! WHO would have referred even "cryptically" to THAT but HIM??!! "ROBERT" was a "Christian" member of the "Church of Christ", and the second skeleton without a pumpkin on it on the other side of the card is posed in what some have reasonably seen as being a "crucifixion" posture--- with its arms splayed upward at an agle and its legs bent around together so that the feet are touching. AND JUST BELOW the "crossed" feet forming a "solar triangle" or pyramid shape between them is the ZODIAC CROSSED-CIRCLE TARGET SYMBOL next to a large "Z"!! BUT there's MORE "Christian" numerlogical symbolism in the images, as well as that of one further PERSONAL detail pertaining to "ROBERT LEONARD ****". In the first skeleton image there are SIX ribs on each side of its ribcage, with TWO neck vertebrae above them. TWO and SIX---- or TWENTY-SIX (26). The SAME number is also represented by the digit positions of the skeletons upraised hand with the number "FOURTEEN" on it--- TWO fingers close togther and the forefinger and thumb forming a "SIX" shape--- thus again TWO and SIX or "TWENTY-SIX". TWENTY-SIX minus FOURTEEN equals TWELVE--- not only the number of Christ's apostles but at one point the number of victims the Zodiac killer claimed. TWENTY-SIX, plus FOURTEEN equals FORTY--- a "sacred" number pertaining to the number of days Christ was tempted in the desert and the number of days he stayed on earth before his final ascension into Heaven. AND at one pint FOUR (4) was the number of victims the Zodiac claimed early in his "career". The PERSONAL numerology is that according to the police report "ROBERT" could speak FIVE (5) languages--- none of which however are expressed in the "Zodiac" messages. BUT FOURTEEN, or FOUR plus ONE equals FIVE; NINE minus FIVE equals that number FOUR again; and beneath the "crucified" skeleton image there is the strange VF shape with FOUR dots around it, but FIVE if you count the bottom point of the V shape between two of them. There is also another dot between the "Z'" and the target symbol which can be added to them as either the FIFTH or the SIXTH one. As if FIVE x  SIX equalling THIRTY as the age Christ was crucified at according to one Gospel isn't enough, THERE IS ASTROLOGICAL symbolism in the card's imagery and THAT is PROBABLY what "ROBERT LEONARD ....'s" notes were about!! WHICH THE POLICE NEGLECTED TO INVESTIGATE!! 

There are a series of quarter-crescent moons beside the second skeleton image. At one side they are engrained in what looks like wood, forming knotholes like "eyes". Wood of course is what the cross of Christ was made of.....  BUT there are ONLY THIRTEEN (13), NOT FOURTEEN of them.  HOWEVER, THIRTEEN plus FOURTEEN equals TWENTY-SEVEN. 
THE LAST DAY of the SECOND STAGE quarter moon is the TWENTY-SIXTH of the month; the next day (the TWENTY-SEVENTH) being the beginning of the sickle or sliver crescent moon phase, representing DYING or KILLING before the THREE days of totally dark "no moon" at the changing of the months. As in the THREE days Christ lay dead in the tomb! 

To sum up, I don't think "ROBERT" was all that intelligent, but HE WAS artistic and creatively clever; and in another society would probably have made another frustrated Hitler. He knew how to put things together in unique ways. Since he PROBABLY had NO female sexual relationships, and might even have been an artisticly frustrated homosexual, he had plenty of free mind time to explore different mental concepts and perceptions without distraction. In his accompanying note to Mr. Avery he writes the (in)famous "FOURSOME" execution method of "By FIRE", "By GUN", "By KNIFE", By ROPE" between the acrostic of "PARADICE SLAVES". In other words, he was hinting at gambling with fates by the throw of the dice (as per Julius Caesar's famous phrase "The dice are now cast..."), and is referring to SNAKE EYES. Coincidentally, the two EYE sockets of the "crucified" skeleton COULD resemble DICE and are conspicuously emphasized with a "bloody" reddish band across them, as if the skull is wearing a mask. The style of "ROBERT'S" dress when arrested, ANYTHING BUT like what an ordinary janitor would wear, also indicates not only a repressed artist but a repressed homosexual.... somebody who KNEW he was NEVER going to "climax" either in the art world OR with women. 

Whether still alive or now dead, THIS is a person of SIGNificant interest as being a suspect in the "Zodiac" killings. He SHOULD have been FURTHER investigated back THEN, and he SHOULD BE investigated as much as possible now.   

P.S.: If "ROBERT LEONARD ****" was not a repressed "homo", then he would have been a repressed "hippie". His "friend" John that he was described as visiting "many times", his residence in the (in)famously "gay capital" of San Francisco AND at the "SWEDEN House Hotel" (SWEDEN being notorious for catering to homosexuals and transexuals, since the first transgender operation of male into a "female" was performed there just FOUR years before "ROBERT" moved into the place as his "permanent residence"), and his roughly EIGHT HOUR visit that affternoon with John before leaving at midnight, all indicate HOMOSEXUAL activity. BUT though conservatively if not mawkishly dressed, he was described as having "LONG brown hair" (like a HIPPIE), though no mention of beard or moustache. The killer is (in)famous for writing all or most of his messages in BLUE ink and referring occasionally to the police as the "BLUE meanies"----- a distinctly "HIPPIE" counterculture term. Therefore I don't think as some have suggested that the killer was actually a cop denigrating other cops out of some professional frustration and I DON'T think it was Officer Richard Hoffman. Some have suggested that because of the initials "R" and "H" carved in the Riverside Community College desk under the poem about "slicing" or cutting some female with a knife (though NOT to death) as actually later happend to student Cheri Jo Bates in 1966 in the school parking lot one night. But "rh" could also refer to "ROBERT [Leonard] *****". I have counted the number of type spaces in the blacked out section of his last name from comparison with those above and below and calculated that there were FIVE letters in his last name. IF his name began with an "H", that narrows it down some because there aren't many that short beginning with that letter---- the only ones I can think of easily being "Hurte"; "Hirte"; "Harte"; "Harry"; "Holly"; "Hurse"; "Herse"and "Healy".  
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29 Nov 2017, 04:41 #2

interesting indeed !
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12 Jan 2018, 20:16 #3

It made my face hurt.
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13 Jan 2018, 14:48 #4

I've always wondered about the origin of the skeleton greeting card. Did LE ever look into what company made the card and between what dates it was sold and in what stores?
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13 Jan 2018, 18:25 #5

Thank you RICHD2 ! I have said many times that the Zodiac's first name could be Robert. The police have stated Zodiac's name possibly being Robert.
One of the first notes filled with clues that I had received from a man claiming to be Zodiac, wrote that he was in his 40's. I wasn't sure if he was telling me that he was in his 40's in1969 or when he left me the note , which was about 1988.

The gray suit that he had on sounds a lot like the man at Darlene's painting party. The number 26 is one that could point to the 26th letter of the alphabet " Z". Long brown hair could be covered up with a wig as a very good disguise.
Darlene's babysitter Karen said that the name Darlene told her, was like Bill or Bob.  Bob would work for Robert. Now we need to see if he was listed in the SF city directories. Some of the hotels in SF did have a list of its occupants, some did not. If the Sweden House listed them , it will be very easy to get Robert's last name and do a paper trail on him. Even find his relatives!  If alive now, he would be 97 yrs old.
That seems a bit old I think for Zodiac but why not check him out? One of the men connected to my suspect would be about that old, he reminded me of the 7- Flags Marine World Mascot that Vallejo had yrs ago, the old bald man dancing with the dark horn rimmed glasses. He was used in their TV add.
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13 Jan 2018, 21:55 #6

Very interesting! Someone put a lot of time in making the Halloween card and very artistically done also the skeleton inside looks to be male and female, as the left side hand and foot looks more male and the right side hand and foot looks more female also this side has only 4 fingers and 4 toes? 
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13 Jan 2018, 23:13 #7

The way that the hands are turned maybe why there is only 4 fingers showing , but that doesn't explain the toes? Funny I never noticed that before. The number 4 could be the letter D in the alphabet, D was used for the the Zodiac's logo in his ciphers. Knowing that Zodiac has a ego larger than the state of Texas, that letter D has to be very important to him to use for his Z logo.
My thoughts are that it could be either the first letter of his middle name or has something to do with his name somehow? "Dee" of course was his known 3rd murder victim in northern Calif.

He did seem to like the number 3 as well, Tom can attest to that.
I did my best to try and figure out why the number 3 was used by Zodiac so much? Then I noticed on my home phone, the number 3 was for DEF which could stand for Darlene E. Ferrin, who some including myself believe Zodiac knew very well.

Numbers seem to be important to Zodiac. His 7th letter was 7 pages long and he wrote about having 7 victims. I am surprised he waited until Nov 9th to mail that letter, when two days sooner would have been the 7th.
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14 Jan 2018, 00:57 #8

Maybe Z had a missing finger or toe or his victim? Could see Z wanting to be scary just like the skeleton on Halloween!

The skeleton does look smaller and feminine on the right as the left looks more bolder and stronger from what I see.

Seems Z liked the number 3 as some dots and symbols looked to be grouped in 3's, in the Halloween card top right the cob web has 3 and 3 when you turn it 90 degrees right. In the Z340 the W's seem to look like 3's when it's turned 90 degrees to left?  The number 33.33 is a repeating number, masonic number etc.

Yes numbers and specific dates seem very important to Z.
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15 Jan 2018, 19:44 #9

sandy betts wrote: Thank you RICHD2 ! I have said many times that the Zodiac's first name could be Robert. The police have stated Zodiac's name possibly being Robert.
One of the first notes filled with clues that I had received from a man claiming to be Zodiac, wrote that he was in his 40's. I wasn't sure if he was telling me that he was in his 40's in1969 or when he left me the note , which was about 1988.

The gray suit that he had on sounds a lot like the man at Darlene's painting party. The number 26 is one that could point to the 26th letter of the alphabet " Z". Long brown hair could be covered up with a wig as a very good disguise.
Darlene's babysitter Karen said that the name Darlene told her, was like Bill or Bob.  Bob would work for Robert. Now we need to see if he was listed in the SF city directories. Some of the hotels in SF did have a list of its occupants, some did not. If the Sweden House listed them , it will be very easy to get Robert's last name and do a paper trail on him. Even find his relatives!  If alive now, he would be 97 yrs old.
That seems a bit old I think for Zodiac but why not check him out? One of the men connected to my suspect would be about that old, he reminded me of the 7- Flags Marine World Mascot that Vallejo had yrs ago, the old bald man dancing with the dark horn rimmed glasses. He was used in their TV add.
The MOST important thing is the 14 "KEYSTONES" code! If the Vallejo police department would release the photocopy of the envelope with the signs and symbols on them we could compare them to the KNOWN "Zodiac" code symbols sent in the letters and see if there is a match... THAT would be CONCLUSIVE proof that Robert Leonard ***** WAS the "Zodiac" killer! Unfortunately, after I sent an email request to the Vallejo police department to do this several months ago they have IGNORED it. This potentially VITAL set of clues MUST be PUBLICIZED!!  It's WAY TOO LATE for the Vallejo police to contact the San Fran police and request them to apply for a search warrant from the municipal or county courts to search Robert Leonard *****'s Sweden House room for what material he was collecting relevant to the "keystone code" but we NEED to know IF the "keystones" matched enough of the Zodiac symbols!!!
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15 Jan 2018, 20:07 #10

sandy betts wrote: The way that the hands are turned maybe why there is only 4 fingers showing , but that doesn't explain the toes? Funny I never noticed that before. The number 4 could be the letter D in the alphabet, D was used for the the Zodiac's logo in his ciphers. Knowing that Zodiac has a ego larger than the state of Texas, that letter D has to be very important to him to use for his Z logo.
My thoughts are that it could be either the first letter of his middle name or has something to do with his name somehow? "Dee" of course was his known 3rd murder victim in northern Calif.

He did seem to like the number 3 as well, Tom can attest to that.
I did my best to try and figure out why the number 3 was used by Zodiac so much? Then I noticed on my home phone, the number 3 was for DEF which could stand for Darlene E. Ferrin, who some including myself believe Zodiac knew very well.

Numbers seem to be important to Zodiac. His 7th letter was 7 pages long and he wrote about having 7 victims. I am surprised he waited until Nov 9th to mail that letter, when two days sooner would have been the 7th.
There is also possible SOLAR significance here. THREE is a solar number, being the number of points forming a triangle/pyramid; which is a SOLAR symbol. This links to Darlene's middle initial being "E", which was the letter inscribed on the ancient Greek temple of Apollo the SUN god at Delphi.  And of course the Greek form of the first letter of her first name was "delta" for "D", written as a TRIangle and a very common symbol/sign in the "Zodiac" code! Furthermore, turned upside down the TRIangle is a SEX symbol.... as being the "DELTA of VENUS". Perhaps the "VF" symbol written at the bottom of the skeleton greeting card really stood for the blonde Darlene as "Venus Ferrin"..... "Luci  FERRous"????
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