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January 18th, 2018, 3:18 am #121

gunmod wrote:
TomVoigt wrote:
Zaikgeist wrote: Nice work Tom.

As much as I hate to admit it, Watson looks a helluva more like the composite than Gaik.
I think Richard fits nicely.
Also, remember the carving in the old desk that had the initials RH
Tom can you at least confirm if his initials are RH?
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January 18th, 2018, 4:22 am #122

No, not his initials.
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January 18th, 2018, 9:56 am #123

TomVoigt wrote:No, not his initials.
What are his initials?

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January 22nd, 2018, 9:19 pm #124

TomVoigt wrote: I'm being quoted here and elsewhere and my remarks about Zodiac's alleged characteristics have been misinterpreted.

Maybe he had a limp. Maybe he had a widow's peak. Maybe he suffered from schizophrenia. Maybe he wore prescription glasses.

Or, maybe his alleged walk (he was bent forward and looking down! Must be schizophrenia!)  could simply be explained by the fact he was walking downhill at night and got surprised by a patrol car after just murdering someone. 

Nobody ever described a limp. Ever. 

And his hair? In October 1969, a shop that sold shorthair wigs was located two blocks from where Zodiac encountered Stine at Mason and Geary:

 

Meanwhile, a pair of glasses are the easiest disguise ever.

Zodiac's hairstyle and glasses the night of Oct. 11, 1969 might well have been part of a disguise.
And for even a better affect; Z could have easily shaved his head bald for a wig to fit perfectly. 
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January 22nd, 2018, 9:24 pm #125

v wrote: Why doesn't LE follow any or all of the living suspects and get their DNA off paper cups, plastic forks, coffee cups, you name it that is discarded out in public? We see this technique all the time on TV.
So they are to sit there for day's on end in order to get these people to leave their house and hopefully be able to get something if they happen to stop at Starbucks etc?  I to did-regard the trash pull idea; there is no way to guarantee that something in the trash will have a usable print, DNA for the correct person etc.
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January 22nd, 2018, 9:41 pm #126

Altah wrote: The former Capitol Airlines crew members have their own fb public group where they share memories:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/67665204584/?view=group




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Nice Cross hairs in the middle of the logo :-)
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January 22nd, 2018, 9:55 pm #127

TomVoigt wrote: Waterson was 37 in 1969.
Definitely an interesting piece of info.
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January 26th, 2018, 10:13 pm #128

https://books.google.com/books?id=5AFNB ... ng&f=false

I have gone through several surveyor books and “magnetic north” as well as “radians-“as rendered by Z on the map -are part of the course of terminologies and their  meanings as well as their use in surveying of any kind. One poster said these terms are used only in aviation. This is factually incorrect.  
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January 26th, 2018, 10:29 pm #129

joku wrote: Good point about the colour of the glasses - never noticed it myself. Maybe it is, considering how many people haven't noticed it, possible that the kids weren't sure what colour his glasses were? Now that I try to think of the glasses of some of the people I know (and have seen dozens of times), I realise that I actually can't really be sure what colour each person is wearing. Something dark-ish... but is it black, blue, brown or gray - can't say. Unless it's something bright like red or the shape is unique or very large, you hardly pay attention.

There were streetlamps so maybe the light also reflected on the frames in such a way that it was difficult to see the colour clearly.
If a Z we have Kathleen Johns who told me his or the drivers glasses were fastened by an elastic strap and were black and looked like the kind Superman(she said Superman) or Clark Kent wore. The glasses reminded her of Kents ‘disguise’ glasses. 
Perhaps, if Z he may have come close to them falling off or they did during the commission of one of his violent murders so by March of 1970 he has them secured.  Maybe a vic grabbed at them,etc. The killer had his Timex military watch yanked off his wrist during his struggle with Cheri Bates. Also to me the pock marks she saw (good illumination  full moon that night) on his chin area are or could to some degree important. She told us he looked like the second drawing on Z composite.
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January 26th, 2018, 10:43 pm #130

There is nothing to rule out Donna Lass as a possible Z Vic. 

The Pines card has never been ruled out completely at least by some in LE. Of interest there is hand brushed  lettering on it as well as on the Halloween card. Paul Avery’s last name is misspelled  in the same manner on the Pines as well as on the Halloween envelope. 

Z seemed to try and connect the two - three products -as well as the 10/5/70 cross 13 punch hole- the Pines had half punches decorating the borders and with a hole punched in the card.
All three were paste- ups. Police reporter Dave Peterson  told me he thought Z produced all three missives. As far as l know the glue on all three missives have never been tested when all three were in the archives to see if they are of the same chemical composition. 
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