"F" symbol on card - pitman shorthand or just paredolia?

Janus
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November 11th, 2015, 12:52 am #1

I'm sorry if this has been covered already or debunked a thousand times over, but I am not *too familiar* with the Zodiac case, but I did recently come back to it thanks to an online ARG that involved ciphers. So here's what I've come up with for the Halloween card "F" symbol a lot of people seem to have so many theories about...here's mine!

It's slightly-modified (squished up and a liberty or 2 taken) pitman shorthand. Either that or I have a really bad case of paredolia haha! Here's what I've got (please excuse my crappy drawing skills):



Now I"m no expert in shorthand, but to me, the above symbols look like the ones used. The last letter (Way) can be shortened to a short loop (instead of the long 'cane' looking thing) in order to add it to a word. That's what I'll be showing in my example.




Vowels can be placed on the left to indicate they go before the consonant in question or on the right of the consonant to show that they go after it.


Whack it all together now:






Now, if it's not a case of me seeing what I want to see, just gotta work out what I we have to rip away from which other part xD The problem I think was if this IS P/S, he's written the whole sentence squished up as if it were 1 continuous word, whereas you'd normally break it up. RIPIPARTAWAY, I assumed it should be Rip I part away"?



I'm sorry if I didn't explain what I did very well, please ask questions and I will try to clarify! Or please point me to the thread where this was debunked already.

Thank you!






References (for example):
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... theory.htm
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... ks-R-L.htm
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... trokes.htm
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... vowels.htm
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... -forms.htm



EDIT: Second guessing my 'vowel reading' ability in Shorthand now. Thinking I could have misread it. If I'm reading it right, it's either:

RIP A PART AWAY
RIP I PART AWAY

I'm sure on the rest of it though, just not that vowel.
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Daniel
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November 12th, 2015, 6:47 am #2

Hi Janus...
http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/7 ... kQxJNKrRkg


Another poster named Sierra had mentioned that the Zodiac watch discovery and the 4 dot 7 F symbol looked like the Z watch at the 10:10 time. Taking that observation further and using the F to symbolize 11 for a 10:11 time. The dotted 'Z' below the time symbol could be in reference to the 12 signs of the Zodiac watch and is it possible that part of your decryption of  RAY??? WAY...could phonetically mean... RAIL WAY...that's temporarily not using the 4 dots as vowels. This particular Zodiac watch was an official timepiece off the SWISS FEDERAL  RAILWAYS.


Or maybe it has something to do with the Z.. any thoughts?


Daniel



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November 12th, 2015, 11:13 am #3

Daniel wrote:
Hi Janus...
http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/7 ... kQxJNKrRkg


Another poster named Sierra had mentioned that the Zodiac watch discovery and the 4 dot 7 F symbol looked like the Z watch at the 10:10 time. Taking that observation further and using the F to symbolize 11 for a 10:11 time. The dotted 'Z' below the time symbol could be in reference to the 12 signs of the Zodiac watch and is it possible that part of your decryption of  RAY??? WAY...could phonetically mean... RAIL WAY...that's temporarily not using the 4 dots as vowels. This particular Zodiac watch was an official timepiece off the SWISS FEDERAL  RAILWAYS.


Or maybe it has something to do with the Z.. any thoughts?


Daniel




Hey Daniel,

I have no idea about the Z or about the watch topic as I havent' thought much about those. I have only read the phoenetics of the symbol in the language I think it was written in (Pitman shorthand). The "Ray" "Way" means nothing special I think. They are simply names of letters in the phonetic alphabet. I think if you had to choose though - either the watch theory OR pitman shorthand translation, I'd be going with the shorthand myself, as I think it is far more likely.

If I'm right though and it says "Rip a (or I) part away" - rip a part of what? The card?
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November 12th, 2015, 4:47 pm #4

Rip Paul Stine's shirt.
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November 20th, 2015, 6:14 pm #5

Janus wrote:
I'm sorry if this has been covered already or debunked a thousand times over, but I am not *too familiar* with the Zodiac case, but I did recently come back to it thanks to an online ARG that involved ciphers. So here's what I've come up with for the Halloween card "F" symbol a lot of people seem to have so many theories about...here's mine!

It's slightly-modified (squished up and a liberty or 2 taken) pitman shorthand. Either that or I have a really bad case of paredolia haha! Here's what I've got (please excuse my crappy drawing skills):



Now I"m no expert in shorthand, but to me, the above symbols look like the ones used. The last letter (Way) can be shortened to a short loop (instead of the long 'cane' looking thing) in order to add it to a word. That's what I'll be showing in my example.



I'm sorry if I didn't explain what I did very well, please ask questions and I will try to clarify! Or please point me to the thread where this was debunked already.

Thank you!


References (for example):
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... theory.htm
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... ks-R-L.htm
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... trokes.htm
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... vowels.htm
http://www.long-live-pitmans-shorthand. ... -forms.htm



EDIT: Second guessing my 'vowel reading' ability in Shorthand now. Thinking I could have misread it. If I'm reading it right, it's either:

RIP A PART AWAY
RIP I PART AWAY

I'm sure on the rest of it though, just not that vowel.

 

The "Z" squiggle at the bottom of the Bates letters might be shorthand, and so may the symbols at the bottom of the Exorcists letter.

A news reporter like Richard Giakowski could have known shorthand so he could write information down quickly during and interview.
 






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January 31st, 2016, 5:09 pm #6

I have very good reasons to believe that the F symbol on the Halloween card is a crude drawing to Mt Diablo and nothing else.

Someone named sadielew has sent me a PM , if sadielew reads this, I am unable to reply to any PM's, it is malfunctioning for me. Please post your findings about the Halloween Card on the proper thread, so I can find it.
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