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How do you determine what method to use? Sometimes you add numbers, sometimes you multiply - what dictates which method you use?fxbby74 wrote:Thanks Paradice ,Paradice wrote: What I mean is how sometimes you know to use the Gregorian calendar and other times you know to use Z calendar. Or, sometimes you add all the dates and sometimes you subtract a certain number of days. I guess you have just had a lot of time to think about these things, but if you were presenting this theory in the early 70's, I would be highly suspicious of you being Z.
So, by plugging things in I meant that you knew when to multiply or add or subtract or .... Not that you were randomly selecting numbers and throwing them in, hope that clarifies my point.
A few people have claimed that I’m pulling numbers from out of the air or even cherry picking . So I guess when I read that I’m plugging things in I instinctively plug that comment in with the others . now I know what you mean anyways ... not that I’m just pulling numbers out of the air or ignoring some .
I have admitted in the past that even if I’m wrong with some of this and or it’s just coincidence it doesn’t dismiss the strength of the rest . Someone was even questioning me recently about the use of the Zodiac calendar , talk about cherry picking , the murderer called himself the Zodiac .
So let’s look at that first , let’s say that he didn’t use the Zodiac calendar . Earlvanbest jr still falls on the number 115 because the 408 was broken into 3 parts so I broke the whole numbers into 3 seperate parts and presto an absolute match to the zodiac calendar . Then the author of the 408 happens to call himself Zodiac 4 days later . I don’t think people actually understand the odds against this happening are .
So I believe he manipulated math and coded his identity into his body of work , based on the fact that he sent coded messages and spoke of his name and identity right out of the gate .
He gave us his attacks he highlighted them , he highlighted his messages , he sends one message for the first two attack’s , gives us one the same day as the 3rd and then waits 2 days after a 4th attack . I’m giving you why I looked at the attacks and letters by date . He highlighted them .
So to your larger point how do you know.... from the above . The 4 attacks using the Zodiac calendar = 773 the 408 was mailed in 3 sections of 8 or 888 888-773 = 115 again no their suspect can claim this . Again I took a big chance looking at the Zodiac calendar when we have a killer named Zodiac .
The 3 first letters after his 4 attacks add up to a number 2671 that matches the exact positions of EVBJR in the 408 a complete group = to a complete group that’s why I added them up. Even if you want to bury your ( not yours ) head in the sand , these seperate items all add up to the same number .
The 4 highlighted attacks 1220 74 927 1011 added as a group = 3232
The months and days 12 20 7 4 9 27 10 11 added = 100 add those to the whole number and we get 3332 , say you don’t like that even though the month and day are from the same whole numbers . At EVBJR in the 408 are the letters not used N VBEKHFGWT happen to = 118 not only do we have a major cipher mailed #. .... the first initial positions using the single section EVBJ = 340 also if you add first number 7 + 1 + 3 11 4 + 4 = 8 118 340 was mailed 100 days after the 408 . So you have now 3332 this name in the 408 has a birthday 7x14x34 = 3332 again no one can claim this match either . Paradice I wondered how he might code his identity thus the idea about 3332 and the highlighted attacks .
I added up the days to his birthday from the first 2 attacks because the 408 was mailed in the middle of the 4 we get 216 a match to the day of year he called himself the Zodiac . This is probably something you question ? If he used the zodiac calendar to represent himself why wouldn’t he use the Gregorian calendar as well . All of the above I listed were added groups .
This would be based on Again he sent us a code , ( he asked if the police were having fun with the code ) in the letters with the 408 he says cipher , which is a code but I think he was hinting at someone else .
(4) 3 2 1 (0) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 (8)
43 42 41 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 = 714 3 2 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 = 34 good thing he decided to make the cipher symmetrical when he broke it up into 3 sections and didn’t use the last 18 positions “ signed the Zodiac . “ I’ll just wait for 4 days before I tell them who I am .
Paradice I hope this clears Some of this ? Here’s one I think you might be talking about the first 3 attacks by zodiac Gregorian calendar 354 185 270 plus month and day =888. the last attack in the first “3” where he dresses up and claims his attack the very same day it occurs . Again I’m adding because it’s a group looking at the normal calendar I’m looking at calendars because he called himself the zodiac .
Zoni thanks for the reply ,Zoni-13 wrote: I can't say that what you are doing isn't correct, fxbby74. I guess I need to take a day or two and really try to see the connections you do. That's a tall order for me, because my brain isn't geared for this type of puzzle. But, Zodiac is a calendar, a watch, a boat, and a car. Maybe some other things that I'm not aware of, as well. If I started to study everything about one of these other items, and looked at dates, and looked for patterns that fit with Z suspects, do you think I'd find anything interesting?
So far, nobody has flat out said, you are wrong...and here's why. You are aware, though, that there is a member in the Code thread posting similar solutions about Gyke. And a few more on this site. Anyways, not trying to beat up on you, you are persistent with what you are posting. I'm going to sit down, read the whole thread, and maybe I'll finally understand it. I'd at least like a better grasp on your method, which I don't at this time.
UK ,Frosty-Uk wrote: "How do you determine what method to use? "
That's the kicker, with the greatest respect to anyone putting the hours in - if the method chosen is invented to suit a certain angle it's more than likely fictitious. If you can lay weight behind the method that's a different story but nobody can and why is that?
UK ,Frosty-Uk wrote: Thing is Mike, the only fact nestled within that is...
"Someone sends a cipher broken into 3 parts . 4 days later he calls himself the Zodiac ."
After that point it's just a combination of numbers and equasions that suit an argument. I'll leave you to it, and who knows you may turn out to be right in which case a huge hat tip. I just can't see it personally.
Sandy ,sandy betts wrote: fxbby74, There was not a Zodiac crime on 3-21, Kathleen Johns was on 3-22, that is changing the facts.
People often make things fit their suspect by changing the numbers or changing the symbols to make the name they need to appear in a cipher.