Vindog
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April 22nd, 2009, 11:21 pm #41

I guess I'm of the opinion that if he admired Hitler and the was pro-Process Church (and if we believe some of the victims...read Darlene here...may have had some affiliation with the Process as many believe) why would he kill people associated with it? Why would he kill white suburban kids if that were the case? Why not kill African-Americans...or just Jews?? Why kill someone who allegedly was affiliated with the Process Church if you support their ideas? Doesn't make any sense to me.And yes, I realize Darlene and the Process Church being related are speculation; so are most of the ideas presented on this board.If you believe Gaik was Z...well then it REALLY goes against what we know about Gaik. He certainly loved the "brothers". So I suppose he might have admired fascism...but Hitler and Nazi-ism specifically?? I don't buy it. Lots of people who were against the USA war machine spelled America, "Amerika". It was more of an anti-war sentiment...making fun of the establishment then it was endorsing it.I can see Z as a communist much more so than a fascist; but again, that's just my opinion. Only my opinion, thanks!Vin
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April 23rd, 2009, 12:09 am #42

I guess I'm of the opinion that if he admired Hitler and the was pro-Process Church (and if we believe some of the victims...read Darlene here...may have had some affiliation with the Process as many believe) why would he kill people associated with it? Why would he kill white suburban kids if that were the case? Why not kill African-Americans...or just Jews?? Why kill someone who allegedly was affiliated with the Process Church if you support their ideas? Doesn't make any sense to me.And yes, I realize Darlene and the Process Church being related are speculation; so are most of the ideas presented on this board.If you believe Gaik was Z...well then it REALLY goes against what we know about Gaik. He certainly loved the "brothers". So I suppose he might have admired fascism...but Hitler and Nazi-ism specifically?? I don't buy it. Lots of people who were against the USA war machine spelled America, "Amerika". It was more of an anti-war sentiment...making fun of the establishment then it was endorsing it.I can see Z as a communist much more so than a fascist; but again, that's just my opinion. Only my opinion, thanks!Vin
Hi VindogIf Darlene had been involved with The Porcess Church and had "witnessed somone kill somone" and wanted out of the cult, then there sure was a motive to kill her.IMO it is possible that the motive for killing Darlene was different from the rest of the Zodiac killings.IF Zodiac was, one way or the other, connected to the Process Church and/or their belifs, Zodiac might have had his own "privat" Zodiac serial killing project killing for his own privat reasons, but killed Darlene to shut her up.I have never belived that Gaikowski was the Zodiac. I have another suspect.
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Tonka
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April 23rd, 2009, 12:59 am #43

AmeriKKKa? Sure seems like that would have been an insult to his friends of color!Do you know the symbolism of Amerikkka Vin? I've seen it with one k before, but never 3!
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April 23rd, 2009, 1:06 am #44

AmeriKKKa? Sure seems like that would have been an insult to his friends of color!
I believe the insult would be directed at the country that tolerates racism.
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April 23rd, 2009, 1:19 am #45

In the book "The Manson File" edited by Nikolas Schreck, there is a picture of Sandra Good holding up her index finger. The caption says, "James N Mason, founder of the Universal Order, pictured here with Family member Sandra Good, nicknamed Blue by Manson. Note that Good's hands are forming the Manson mudra that represents his idea that "the truth is one"."Hope that helps.
Here is an article, written by a nazi, about Nazism, called "The Truth Is One".Charles Manson is mentioned in the article.http://www.solargeneral.com/library/sie ... .htm[b]The Truth Is One[/b]by James MasonThe One Truth came to be called National Socialism by Adolf Hitler in 1919.And here another, explanation:http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/st ... a.htmThere are also the parallels between the mudras and symbols. Most Eastern religions use mudras, magical hand signs, that are used in meditation representing different mystical ideas. The Manson mudra is the pointing of the right hand’s index finger up and the left, down. This represents the idea that "the truth is one" combining all dualities into a unity.
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April 23rd, 2009, 1:22 am #46

AmeriKKKa? Sure seems like that would have been an insult to his friends of color!Do you know the symbolism of Amerikkka Vin? I've seen it with one k before, but never 3!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternativ ... pellingThe most common usage of the letters “kkk” in politically satiric misspelling is the spelling of “America” as Amerikkka. A reference to the Ku Klux Klan, this is often done to indicate the belief that the United States or American society is fundamentally racist.
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April 23rd, 2009, 3:47 am #47

Ae...I agree with your perspective. Hitler was on the scene for roughly 20 years, very active in Nazi Party from 1928 on, so thats 17 years until he died, some 6,200 days. So we can find important Hitler days for probably every day of the year.The Hitler connection would support a Manson connection. obviously Charlie was very influenced by Hitler, he notched a Swatiska in his forehead. But I think this No Address thing is a bit of a stretch.I always looked at the 'No Address' signoff as part of Z's humor, that he was just stating I'm not giving you my address.
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Tonka
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April 23rd, 2009, 2:03 pm #48

I get it now! Thanks Tom and TF! I missed the 60s and always thought the k reflected a hatred for America. Guess the belief that the United States or American society is fundamentally racist probably does not apply anymore! Thats good.TF, the info you have provided on The Truth is One is amazing! Whether Z was influenced by this stuff or not is still to be determined, but it seems the Manson clan was! It is not a huge stretch for me to believe it could all be tied together somehow.Thanks for the info, TF!
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April 23rd, 2009, 2:26 pm #49

I get it now! Thanks Tom and TF! I missed the 60s and always thought the k reflected a hatred for America. Guess the belief that the United States or American society is fundamentally racist probably does not apply anymore! Thats good.TF, the info you have provided on The Truth is One is amazing! Whether Z was influenced by this stuff or not is still to be determined, but it seems the Manson clan was! It is not a huge stretch for me to believe it could all be tied together somehow.Thanks for the info, TF!
You are welcome Tonka.If any of you would like to get a good impression of Manson´s relation to the Nazi belifs + much more, I suggest:go to youtube and watch 1-12 parts of "Charles Manson Superstar" (it takes close to 2 hours altogether) a documatary/interview film made by BIG TIME Nazi / satainst Nikolas Schreckhusband of Antony Levy´s daughter Zeena Schreck (Zeena who I belive, but not 100% sure, attened the last Zodiac meeting in Dec 2009 am I right?)Link to part 1: part 8, at 5:13 - 5:24 Nikolas Schreck is claming that in 1974 there was a plan of freeing Charles Manson from jail by "manson family" members in collaboration with members of "The Symbionese Liberation Army"Now this info is very interesting IMO due to that Zodiac sent a letter Feb 14th, 1974 mentioning Symbionese Liberation Army (in any case the connection between Manson and SLA is VERY interesting, and I DO have other information that confirm this connection):Zodiac´s Feb 14th, 1974 letter :Dear Mr. Editor,Did you know that the initials SLAY (Symbionese Liberation Army) spell "sla," [the word "sla" is written in script] an old Norse word meaning "kill."A friendHere is a link to info on Nikolas Schreck (a VERY scarry man)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolas_Schreck
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gardibolt
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April 23rd, 2009, 4:34 pm #50

Amerika (one k) would have been immediately understood by hippies in the Berkeley area as a reference to the book by that title of Franz Kafka, who was a staple of literature classes. It was popularly used to demonstrate distaste for what the establishment stood for.Amerikkka (three k's) would be understood as both Kafkaesque and commenting on the racism of America (remember that MLK Jr. had just been shot for his civil rights work, not to mention the killings of civil rights workers and lynchings in the 1960s, so it's not all that outlandish).Amerikka (two ks) would be a sign of functional illiteracy.
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