ALA Thoughts

Arthur Leigh Allen
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ALA Thoughts

blues
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December 13th, 2017, 8:48 am #1

I just found the forum. Iv'e always thought the Z was ALA 

Now I can see how it could be someone else. 

I was thinking about a few things.

If anyone who was a suspect was alive and went to court today on a partial 50 year old DNA match he would probably
get away with it. 

Since they did not know about DNA testing the evidence was probably to contaminated. 

Back to ALA and for a minute forget about the DNA said to exclude him.

What I was thinking about ALA is how he was a pedophile and animal torturer. This sounds sick and morbid. I'm sorry if this upsets anyone. That is not my intention.

 If he was a killer would have he killed children that he molested? I would be curious to know if anything like that happened in the areas where he lived. 

But they did not have the law back then that we have now. If so the police would probably know where a convicted sex offender lived in the area.

So I think it may be possible if he could have did that he could kill adults. Or not killed adults.

But if he never killed any of the children he preyed on then he might not have the guts to do the Z killings. 

So just a thought. 
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Zaikgeist
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December 13th, 2017, 9:19 am #2

His hand writing didn't match Z and his finger print didn't match the bloody fingerprint on Stine's cab.

That, along with the non-matching DNA clears him.

At that point all you have is circumstantial evidence but yet all the physical evidence doesn't match.
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December 13th, 2017, 10:06 pm #3

Zaikgeist wrote: His hand writing didn't match Z and his finger print didn't match the bloody fingerprint on Stine's cab.

That, along with the non-matching DNA clears him.

At that point all you have is circumstantial evidence but yet all the physical evidence doesn't match.






I tried to deleted my post because I realized it was poorly worded a perhaps confusing.

I did not mean to say ALA was the killer if you took it that way.
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January 10th, 2018, 4:29 am #4

I was just looking over some of the FBI files concerning ALA -- darned if he didn't make a great suspect... Some of the things in the files still make me go, "hmmm".
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Deeman35
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February 5th, 2018, 5:49 pm #5

CaptainAvenger wrote: I was just looking over some of the FBI files concerning ALA -- darned if he didn't make a great suspect... Some of the things in the files still make me go, "hmmm".
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Joined: January 9th, 2018, 4:32 pm

February 5th, 2018, 7:37 pm #6

For example, his penchant for fire arms, his "messing" with the police (like labeling a VHS tape "Z"), his history of molestation, his proximate to the crime locations.

Mostly, it was the things that were detailed in the search warrant and affidavit.

I know ALA's prints didn't match Z (or at least what we THINK were Z's prints, like the bloody cab print), but now with the DNA sort of out the window... it makes me wonder.

Granted, I'm not a proponent of the "Team Z" theory, but.....  a strange disturbance in the force.
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February 5th, 2018, 8:25 pm #7

I did Not know about the false VHS - I did know there was a tape but never got info what  or wasnt on. For me and this is just for me (i am NOT an amatuer slueth or professional - far from it) but for me  a couple things always resonate with me and thats  timeline, proximity, story to Don Cheney and Spinelli, he never licked his own mail, in those affidavits gave them hard time aobut handwriting,  and the fact he MESSED with Toschi.  (Like you, I understand there is no hard evidence but no hard evidence on anyone and he has more circumstantial than anyone. I personally think the letters and ciphers are nothing but dead ends and dont mean anything. Re Team Z - I dont suscribe to that either, but some killings I feel stronger about him then others. 
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Regal_Legal_Beagle
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February 10th, 2018, 7:50 pm #8

Captain Avenger, one of the things found as a result of one of the search warrants was a magazine (or "clip") for a .22 LR, but there was no semiauto .22 LR firearm on the list, only revolvers. 

That doesn't really mean anything other than raising more questions- why a magazine but no gun for it? Or did he have a .22 LR semiauto that they didn't find. If it's the latter, why was that gun kept separate from his others (or hidden)? I would like to know what type of gun the magazine was for, but I doubt I'll ever know.
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February 10th, 2018, 9:25 pm #9

Regal_Legal_Beagle wrote: Captain Avenger, one of the things found as a result of one of the search warrants was a magazine (or "clip") for a .22 LR, but there was no semiauto .22 LR firearm on the list, only revolvers. 

That doesn't really mean anything other than raising more questions- why a magazine but no gun for it? Or did he have a .22 LR semiauto that they didn't find. If it's the latter, why was that gun kept separate from his others (or hidden)? I would like to know what type of gun the magazine was for, but I doubt I'll ever know.
I surely hope some day -- some day -- someone will find a trove of Z's trophies.  Whether that happens now, later, while he's alive or dead, I don't know.  I'm hoping that, as Tom said, this will be a big year in the investigation!
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BugsMoran
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February 12th, 2018, 1:33 pm #10

Zaikgeist, if the DNA testing is questionable perhaps the handwriting and fingerprints are too. LE didn't have the technology we have today and we can question how effective they were even by 1969 standards. I agree: there's no hard evidence that could used against ALA in court: on the other hand, maybe there's no hard evidence at all. There's nothing ironclad about this case. What LE has as "evidence" couldn't convict anybody: including the Zodiac Killer.
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