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With the way Butterbach stated he grasped the ring, its not entirely dismissable that he was holding the ring like that when he died. I've seen homicides where the person's hand(s) distort in different ways.What could've happened was he was preparing to slide it off and as he fell, the ring slipped into the position to where Faraday's two fingers were connected as Butterbach said. So to say that it wouldn't have held it when he fell is not really something that's able to be dismissed from homcides I witnessed working for the District Attorney's office. JDAny lumps would probably be a result of the gunshot.As for the gunshot into the vehicle, it could have been a way to terrorize them prior to their murders.I don't think they were thinking it was a cop--like Darlene and Mike thought, since a shot was fired into the vehicle to herd them out.I can't imagine what David and Betty Lou must have been thinking! Most likely a robbery. The ring still bothers me though. He wouldn't have had ahold of it when he fell. No way. Butterbach says he found David grasping the ring while at the hospital. So...?
Ok. Once again, if he was only interested in murdering the kids he would have killed them in the car. Like he did later with Mageau and Ferrin.He would only fire in to the car, the "Warning Shot" as we call it, if he was warning them to get out of the car. Right? Make sense? My question doesn't concern what caused them to choose to exit the vehicle, but why Z wanted them out of the vehicle. Tom presented a likely scenario where in David was was facing the car and executed. The circumstances surrounding Betty Lou's position are still unknown. Why did Z want them out of the car?Well there's two scenarios to that. Either:1. He fired the 'warning shots' into the Rambler, through the rear window and the shot that was in the roof and landed on the roof. The kids exit, and as Tom stated ordered them to face the Rambler as they got out.Or2. Z tells the kids to get out. Something happens where him and David get into a scuffle where David gained the large lump on his right cheek, and Z fired the two shots into the Rambler, being almost overtaken by Zodiac. Zodiac regains his 'control' over the kids, and orders Faraday up against the s/w, shoots him, or has Jensen get out, etc, etc. JDIf he forced the kids out of the car he would have had a reason for doing so.Why did he get the kids out of the car? Im interested in plausible scenario's that explain why the kids were not killed in the car.
I definetly agree with this statement. If Zodiac was the '63 killer he may bereliving the events via different settings and situations. I could even see CJB as an isolated event, an almost customized setting without the "hassle" of a male presence. Stine on the other hand may have served as an intentional deveation to shift the investigation into the SF Bay area, or as a fullfilment i. e. to kill an isolated male while demonstrating Zodiac's deliberation or reattachment from past events ('63?).Lots of "may", wished there was more "did"..-NinI think Z may have wanted his victims running away from him. Perhaps this was incorporated as part of his fantasy after Santa Barbara murders (if he was the killer).
I agree with you Mike R, the drawing shows he was standing at the car, and fell backwards. He was facing the car and was probably shot first. I think Z went after the males first because he felt he could control the girls. I believe when he shot David, that made Betty run . He may have told them he was only going to rob them. or he could have pretended he was LE ? I also feel they stood there for a while, because of the traffic just before 11pm. Ricardo and I got a pretty good idea of the traffic at the time . At 11pm no traffic, but may cars and trucks drove by after 10 pm until a few minutes before 11 pm. Humble oil and Syar employees, going to and leaving work at that time is what we felt. I think they were about to drive back to Vallejo about 10:50 ,to get Betty Lou home on time ,and that was when the Z stopped them.Hi-I think, and always have thought, that Faraday was shot while standing with his feet up against or near the rear tire. I think the only reason we are debating this is Graysmith and the version he put out in his book. I think it is obvious where he was standing and that he then simply fell straight backwards after the shot.Mike