Your thoughts on the MM B-12?

Your thoughts on the MM B-12?

Joined: January 15th, 2002, 4:53 pm

January 15th, 2012, 4:45 pm #1

I just watched a YouTube video on the B-12 air rifle. I have to admit that this air rifle looks a lot nicer finished than I thought it would be.

Among others airguns, I currently have 2 springers....an R7 in .177 and an HW50s in .22 caliber. They are both very nice.

I've been very curious about adding an HW30 in .22 caliber, but at $353 for the deluxe model, it was only natural that the B-12 in .22 caliber would catch my attention. I kind of hate to spend $300+ on the HW30 just to satisfy my "curiosity" of what a lower-powered, .22 caliber springer would be like, hence my interest in something like the MM B-12.

I just don't want to be seriously disappointed, after being used to the HW quality level. In truthfulness, I don't EXPECT the B-12 to be "that" good, but if it is still "pretty darned nice" overall, in fit, finish, firing behavior and accuracy" I'd be pretty happy with it, I think. I'm mostly a backyard and basement shooter anyway. I do little to no hunting and just occasional pesting. I'm mostly a plinker, but prefer .22 caliber.

Couple of questions for you guys who own one of these.

1. What is the cost for one of these with a quality "tune" from MM?

2. What is the typical "turnaround time" after ordering it?

3. What's the best way to get ahold of Mike? Phone number? Or does he prefer email?

Anything else I should know about this B-12 rifle?

I generally prefer German airguns, but I will quickly acknowledge that there are "some" Chinese airguns out there, that are really beginning to "catch up" in the quality arena. My QB78 Deluxe, is a good example. It's no HW, but for the price paid, it is one Heck of a bargain and I am very happy with it!

Thanks in advance for you comments and input!

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Joined: May 24th, 2011, 2:56 pm

January 15th, 2012, 9:04 pm #2

I can't specifically answer most of your questions, but I can provide a little input on my B12 in general. To start, mine is .177. I bought it from Mike with just the standard free lube tune or whatever he normally does. It proved to be a very smooth shooter and very mild. I started breaking it in, and was impressed with the smooth shot cycle. The trigger was light and smooth, although it was a rather long pull compared to my other rifles. To be honest, though, I had been shooting an HW97 and an RWS52. Both those triggers are two stage and pretty crisp. After getting used to the B12 trigger, it is completely satisfactory to me now.
The gun shot pretty well during breakin.

I removed the open sights and installed a scope. I do most of my shooting at around 10-20 yards, but I can't see well enough for iron sights. I found my copy of the rifle to shoot to the right and I didn't have enough scope adjustment to correct. Visually, I could see the barrel was pointing off to the right compared to the compression tube. I didn't call Mike, and I am sure he would have talen care of me, but I am a tinkerer. I removed the barrel and padded the breech block in a vise and tweeked the barrel over to the left. After some trial, it was aligned much better. I now had plenty of adjustment.

Now on paper at around 8 yds in my basement, I could hold around 3/8" and smaller groups with no problems. Like I said earlier, I am a tinkerer. I tried some muzzle weights and got some great groups and some not so great, but not terrible either. I pushed a few pellets through the barrel from the breech end with a rod, and felt there was less resistance near the muzzle about the last two inches. I had checked the crown and it seemed good. I decided to so a chop, so I took off about 2 1/2" and squared the barrel on my mill, (wasn't long enough to reach through the headstock of my lathe). I recrowned the barrel and after several minutes polishing the crown with a round head screw and valve grinding cmpd, it seemed much smoother. Now the pellets seemed to have about the same resistance all the way through.

I made a delrin muzzle break which only acts as a handle for cocking the rifle. Now the gun will consistently shoot one ragged hole group at my 8 yd space in my basement. Too cold to try it outside now. It is a sweet shooter and I am definitely glad I bought it.
It is a solid thunk with no twang. It is light weight, short, easy to cock, and very pleasant to shoot. It is probably the easiest, and most pleasant of all my rifles and well worth the price. One of my favorite targets is spent 22 rimfire brass in a mini-snping game. They don't stand a chance when I use a rest.

The scope I am using is not even AG rated, it is an old Weaver 3-9 with AO that will focus down to about 6 yds.

I have been thinking of an HW30 or R7, but in addition to the price, it puts me off hearing of barrel droop and the two piece cocking arm galling the compression tube. Shouldn't have to work on and modify a rifle of that cost, IMO. I don't know how common the BD problem is, but it shouldn't happen at all. I'm still on the fence about the purchase at this point. Sorry for the lengthy post, but I wanted to share my experiences.

I would definitely buy another one from Mike. It is a bargain for the price.

EDIT: The finish and bluing were very nice, IMO. It is not HW quality, but nice. The wood on mine is a satin smooth finish, and I see no problems with the metal finish.
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Joined: January 15th, 2002, 4:53 pm

January 15th, 2012, 11:13 pm #3

thoughtful write-up! Very helpful!

By the way, what is the going price for one of these?

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Joined: May 24th, 2011, 2:56 pm

January 15th, 2012, 11:28 pm #4

Current price is one of the questions I can't answer. It's been several months since I bought mine. I read on another post they were around $81.00, but I am not sure. I think mine was about that with shipping, but don't even remember that for sure, either.... one of the problems with getting old, LOL.

I have considered another B12 in 22 cal myself. If you ask Mike to check for scope alignment or barrel droop, I'm sure he would accomodate you. You should check with him on the full tune also.

Here is his contact info copied from one of his posts:

mailto:flyingdragonairrifles@hotmail.com
Bestairgun.com 515-924-3699
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Joined: September 21st, 2009, 3:28 am

January 15th, 2012, 11:39 pm #5

I just watched a YouTube video on the B-12 air rifle. I have to admit that this air rifle looks a lot nicer finished than I thought it would be.

Among others airguns, I currently have 2 springers....an R7 in .177 and an HW50s in .22 caliber. They are both very nice.

I've been very curious about adding an HW30 in .22 caliber, but at $353 for the deluxe model, it was only natural that the B-12 in .22 caliber would catch my attention. I kind of hate to spend $300+ on the HW30 just to satisfy my "curiosity" of what a lower-powered, .22 caliber springer would be like, hence my interest in something like the MM B-12.

I just don't want to be seriously disappointed, after being used to the HW quality level. In truthfulness, I don't EXPECT the B-12 to be "that" good, but if it is still "pretty darned nice" overall, in fit, finish, firing behavior and accuracy" I'd be pretty happy with it, I think. I'm mostly a backyard and basement shooter anyway. I do little to no hunting and just occasional pesting. I'm mostly a plinker, but prefer .22 caliber.

Couple of questions for you guys who own one of these.

1. What is the cost for one of these with a quality "tune" from MM?

2. What is the typical "turnaround time" after ordering it?

3. What's the best way to get ahold of Mike? Phone number? Or does he prefer email?

Anything else I should know about this B-12 rifle?

I generally prefer German airguns, but I will quickly acknowledge that there are "some" Chinese airguns out there, that are really beginning to "catch up" in the quality arena. My QB78 Deluxe, is a good example. It's no HW, but for the price paid, it is one Heck of a bargain and I am very happy with it!

Thanks in advance for you comments and input!
from Mike In .22.My other 2 are in .177 great guns for the price.I have an R7 in .177 and was thinking about getting another one in .20 caliber or .22, but couldn't get pass the price.Called Mike and order a .22 caliber tuned for $81.00 shipped.It has become my go to Starling gun.If you are thinking about buying one do it.
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January 15th, 2012, 11:52 pm #6

from your 22 cal B12? Have you scoped any of your b12s, and if so, did you have any alignment issues?
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Joined: September 21st, 2009, 3:28 am

January 16th, 2012, 3:15 am #7

But starlings drop dead on the spot.I've scope all 3 never had any problems with scope alighment.I'm osing leapers on all three.Actually one of the .177 is a rekord trigger conversion done by Mike,very smooth trigger.
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Joined: May 26th, 2006, 1:36 pm

January 16th, 2012, 4:11 am #8

from your 22 cal B12? Have you scoped any of your b12s, and if so, did you have any alignment issues?
B-12 shoots around 600 fps by the Chrony. A .22 would be a bit less..
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Joined: May 24th, 2011, 2:56 pm

January 16th, 2012, 4:29 am #9

from your 22 cal B12? Have you scoped any of your b12s, and if so, did you have any alignment issues?
for your information. My 177 is shooting around 570 according to Mike's numbers on the box. I don't know if this has changed since cutting the barrel and shooting it since new. It sure is a sweet shooter though. I tried a Bushnell red dot on it tonight. Makes a very light weight plinker. Still shot a ragged one hole group at about 25 ft. The red dot covered the target dot.
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January 16th, 2012, 2:45 pm #10

I just watched a YouTube video on the B-12 air rifle. I have to admit that this air rifle looks a lot nicer finished than I thought it would be.

Among others airguns, I currently have 2 springers....an R7 in .177 and an HW50s in .22 caliber. They are both very nice.

I've been very curious about adding an HW30 in .22 caliber, but at $353 for the deluxe model, it was only natural that the B-12 in .22 caliber would catch my attention. I kind of hate to spend $300+ on the HW30 just to satisfy my "curiosity" of what a lower-powered, .22 caliber springer would be like, hence my interest in something like the MM B-12.

I just don't want to be seriously disappointed, after being used to the HW quality level. In truthfulness, I don't EXPECT the B-12 to be "that" good, but if it is still "pretty darned nice" overall, in fit, finish, firing behavior and accuracy" I'd be pretty happy with it, I think. I'm mostly a backyard and basement shooter anyway. I do little to no hunting and just occasional pesting. I'm mostly a plinker, but prefer .22 caliber.

Couple of questions for you guys who own one of these.

1. What is the cost for one of these with a quality "tune" from MM?

2. What is the typical "turnaround time" after ordering it?

3. What's the best way to get ahold of Mike? Phone number? Or does he prefer email?

Anything else I should know about this B-12 rifle?

I generally prefer German airguns, but I will quickly acknowledge that there are "some" Chinese airguns out there, that are really beginning to "catch up" in the quality arena. My QB78 Deluxe, is a good example. It's no HW, but for the price paid, it is one Heck of a bargain and I am very happy with it!

Thanks in advance for you comments and input!
Bought one from Mike last March since I'm always on the search for a po' boy's R-7. He did his normal lube tune on it and it chronoed in the 540s w/CPLs on arrival. I couldn't tolerate the trigger so pulled it down, deburred, honed & polished the compression chamber, resized the too-tight and buggered piston seal, honed & polished the trigger and reassembled with the right lubes in the proper places. That brought velocity to an avg. of 608fps with Premiers. Pretty well on the money for a rifle with internal dimensions & swept volume virtually identical to the R7.
Trigger was better but I later made a 2nd assault on it that helped even more. I've worked on a LOT of the single-stage Chinese triggers over the years----some can be made very nice indeed while some defy all efforts without making them unsafe.
I mounted a Williams peep with target knobs and it shot some nice groups when I did my part. A friend who owns and uses 2 R7s daily in defense of pecan orchard and bird feeders shot what he said was the best group of his life with an iron-sighted gun with the B-12.
I traded it for a BSA Meteor and plan on getting another one if & when Xisico makes them with the Rekord trigger clone----which is supposed to happen at some vague time in the future.
With a good tune that concentrates on increased smoothness and accuracy the B-12 is user friendly to a fault. Cocking is the lightest I've ever experienced and it would be perfect for young shooters who aren't weight-lifters. The firing cycle of the tuned gun simply can't be faulted.
The only reason I can foresee that you might be unhappy with a B-12 is the daily comparison between the single-stage trigger and the Rekord on your R7.
Only a more accurate barrel and a good trigger group stand between the B-12 and status as an icon. Tom
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