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May 8th, 2012, 10:43 pm #1


No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free - if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending - if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained - we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable - and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace - but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take.

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May 8th, 2012, 11:05 pm #2

Had you not left out these last 11 words - so well known as to have become cliche' - prettymuch anybody could have recognized Patrick Henry's famous speech.

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May 8th, 2012, 11:49 pm #3

I was told by one of my grandparents that our family tree took us to Patrick Henry, I have never done any looking but you never know, I must say I sure have some of his fight in me

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May 9th, 2012, 12:36 am #4

Had you not left out these last 11 words - so well known as to have become cliche' - prettymuch anybody could have recognized Patrick Henry's famous speech.

Steve
That "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" is the only phrase very few of our contemporaries remember. Let alone who said it, And the content of the speech that led up to that immortal phrase.
Oh well, Times have changed.
Now we have to give this back:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icans.html
It would make one hell of a Casino, Don't you think?
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May 9th, 2012, 12:55 am #5



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May 9th, 2012, 2:08 am #6

That "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" is the only phrase very few of our contemporaries remember. Let alone who said it, And the content of the speech that led up to that immortal phrase.
Oh well, Times have changed.
Now we have to give this back:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icans.html
It would make one hell of a Casino, Don't you think?
On my mom's side, my great grandmother was 1/2 Ottawa and the other half French. We are from as far north in Ohio as you can get inthe central zone(Sandusky). Makes sense. Mid to Late 1700's in to the early 1800's, there were 7 or 8 forts around the Great Lakes. French and British settled and occupied the areas off and on, alternating. French Indian War was over by 1760 or early 1760's. Anyhow, that's how I eventually came along.

Funny, you would never know it by looking at me. Blonde hair, blue eyes, very German looking. My grandmother is half German. In fact, Blonde hair and blue eyes is strong gene in our family now. Four of us six kids my mom has, ALL of our children (my siblings) have the features. That's 13 total!. That is remarkable, really. Oddly, my older sister has very native American features with her Blonde hair and blue eyes. Her cheek bones are high, you can just see it all around with the other features too.

If Rushmore is given back, wonder if the Natives will have the faces blasted off. Would only be fair.

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May 9th, 2012, 3:15 am #7

That "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" is the only phrase very few of our contemporaries remember. Let alone who said it, And the content of the speech that led up to that immortal phrase.
Oh well, Times have changed.
Now we have to give this back:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icans.html
It would make one hell of a Casino, Don't you think?
I for one will side with the Indians here, its one thing to have a war or overtake a government and start to rule, its a whole other thing to win and make promises only to take back and then continue to oppress those people. The land of the free and brave but only if you came from Europe. As a kid I remember another one of my grandparents talking about that as also part of our family history. The show on TV "who do you think you are" is pretty interesting to see the roots of these people.

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May 9th, 2012, 3:27 am #8

That "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" is the only phrase very few of our contemporaries remember. Let alone who said it, And the content of the speech that led up to that immortal phrase.
Oh well, Times have changed.
Now we have to give this back:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icans.html
It would make one hell of a Casino, Don't you think?
No, more just than sad..nt
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May 9th, 2012, 4:34 am #9

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free - if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending - if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained - we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable - and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace - but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take.
Mr. Rushmore is kind of cool but it won't pay the rent. As to "giving back", well, the native Americans rarely conceived of personal ownership of the land. Sure, they had tribal territories or ranges but most did not consider the actual land theirs. (Although I've learned that Powhatan's people in the East did.) First it was Black Hills gold that was wrung out of the reservations so why not tit for tat and let them have the natural gas and coal reserves also sited there?

Yes, "Give me liberty or give me death!" is one of those phrases we all learned in school. So is "...as long as Grass grows and water runs..."

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May 9th, 2012, 2:15 pm #10

On my mom's side, my great grandmother was 1/2 Ottawa and the other half French. We are from as far north in Ohio as you can get inthe central zone(Sandusky). Makes sense. Mid to Late 1700's in to the early 1800's, there were 7 or 8 forts around the Great Lakes. French and British settled and occupied the areas off and on, alternating. French Indian War was over by 1760 or early 1760's. Anyhow, that's how I eventually came along.

Funny, you would never know it by looking at me. Blonde hair, blue eyes, very German looking. My grandmother is half German. In fact, Blonde hair and blue eyes is strong gene in our family now. Four of us six kids my mom has, ALL of our children (my siblings) have the features. That's 13 total!. That is remarkable, really. Oddly, my older sister has very native American features with her Blonde hair and blue eyes. Her cheek bones are high, you can just see it all around with the other features too.

If Rushmore is given back, wonder if the Natives will have the faces blasted off. Would only be fair.

"The majority of things in our lives are created by folks no smarter than the rest. Afterall, the world is comprised, and operated by C average people intellctually, academically, and morally. These people are often the great pioneers that set the precedent for what excellence should be."
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