SHOT Show News - Day One.

SHOT Show News - Day One.

Joined: January 9th, 2005, 1:46 am

January 18th, 2012, 1:28 am #1

Here's a few - mainly Chinese related - observations from today's show.

Yes, the BAM B40 is indeed back, at least it's now called the Benjamin MAV77 Underlever Air Rifle. Crosman personnel retrieved what seemed to be the only sample at the show from the back room so that I could see it. This gun looked like a pre-production model as I didn't see a serial number or branding. It's going to be .177 caliber only. Crosman is claiming superior accuracy due to the fixed barrel. It also claims the B40 - er I mean MAV77 - to be "intensely powerful", although that's not quite how I would describe an air rifle producing about 15 ft/lbs of muzzle energy...

Another Crosman introduction that's undoubtedly sourced from BAM is the Crosman TR77. This is a break-barrel model with a straight-line military-style black synthetic stock with pistol grip. Looks interesting, but not a "wow" for me like the M-417 - or M4-177 as it's now called - pumper that's now also available in a desert tan color as well as the exising black.

Crosman also showed a range of "Powershot" lead-free pellets. There's "Fast Flight Penetrators for maximum penetration and superior velocity" in .177 caliber; "Red Flight Penetrators for superior penetration" in .22 cal and "Gold Flight Penetrators for increased stability for long range shooting", again in .177 caliber.

Xisico USA was showing a new XS26 model with automatic safety and Rekord-style trigger. They also showed a prototype single pump PCP of apparently British design, although it didn't look production-ready to me as a Chinese product. The XS60C is also said near to its second time around, with fixes for the safety etc. I may have more information tomorrow.

Show attendance appeared to be down on previous years - it wasn't a complete crush of people as previous first days have been. As attendance always tails-off later in the show, it may become quite quiet later. Hopefully this is not indicative of a lack of interest in the future of the shooting sports.

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
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Joined: October 10th, 2003, 5:24 am

January 18th, 2012, 3:04 am #2

You are the first to verify what some of us have been suspecting - that the Mav is a B40. About that single pump of Brit design, do you know what the output power will be? About like a Daisy 753? Sounds interesting.



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January 18th, 2012, 4:41 pm #3

Here's a few - mainly Chinese related - observations from today's show.

Yes, the BAM B40 is indeed back, at least it's now called the Benjamin MAV77 Underlever Air Rifle. Crosman personnel retrieved what seemed to be the only sample at the show from the back room so that I could see it. This gun looked like a pre-production model as I didn't see a serial number or branding. It's going to be .177 caliber only. Crosman is claiming superior accuracy due to the fixed barrel. It also claims the B40 - er I mean MAV77 - to be "intensely powerful", although that's not quite how I would describe an air rifle producing about 15 ft/lbs of muzzle energy...

Another Crosman introduction that's undoubtedly sourced from BAM is the Crosman TR77. This is a break-barrel model with a straight-line military-style black synthetic stock with pistol grip. Looks interesting, but not a "wow" for me like the M-417 - or M4-177 as it's now called - pumper that's now also available in a desert tan color as well as the exising black.

Crosman also showed a range of "Powershot" lead-free pellets. There's "Fast Flight Penetrators for maximum penetration and superior velocity" in .177 caliber; "Red Flight Penetrators for superior penetration" in .22 cal and "Gold Flight Penetrators for increased stability for long range shooting", again in .177 caliber.

Xisico USA was showing a new XS26 model with automatic safety and Rekord-style trigger. They also showed a prototype single pump PCP of apparently British design, although it didn't look production-ready to me as a Chinese product. The XS60C is also said near to its second time around, with fixes for the safety etc. I may have more information tomorrow.

Show attendance appeared to be down on previous years - it wasn't a complete crush of people as previous first days have been. As attendance always tails-off later in the show, it may become quite quiet later. Hopefully this is not indicative of a lack of interest in the future of the shooting sports.

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
Online stores http://www.archerairguns.com
http://www.archerpelletguns.com
Videos http://www.youtube.com/ArcherAirguns
Blog http://www.archerairguns.info
Was it apparent from external examination that Crosman had many any improvements to the rifle? For an MSRP of $530 there had better be some improvement - otherwise just buy a TX200 and be done with it.

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January 18th, 2012, 8:55 pm #4

Here's a few - mainly Chinese related - observations from today's show.

Yes, the BAM B40 is indeed back, at least it's now called the Benjamin MAV77 Underlever Air Rifle. Crosman personnel retrieved what seemed to be the only sample at the show from the back room so that I could see it. This gun looked like a pre-production model as I didn't see a serial number or branding. It's going to be .177 caliber only. Crosman is claiming superior accuracy due to the fixed barrel. It also claims the B40 - er I mean MAV77 - to be "intensely powerful", although that's not quite how I would describe an air rifle producing about 15 ft/lbs of muzzle energy...

Another Crosman introduction that's undoubtedly sourced from BAM is the Crosman TR77. This is a break-barrel model with a straight-line military-style black synthetic stock with pistol grip. Looks interesting, but not a "wow" for me like the M-417 - or M4-177 as it's now called - pumper that's now also available in a desert tan color as well as the exising black.

Crosman also showed a range of "Powershot" lead-free pellets. There's "Fast Flight Penetrators for maximum penetration and superior velocity" in .177 caliber; "Red Flight Penetrators for superior penetration" in .22 cal and "Gold Flight Penetrators for increased stability for long range shooting", again in .177 caliber.

Xisico USA was showing a new XS26 model with automatic safety and Rekord-style trigger. They also showed a prototype single pump PCP of apparently British design, although it didn't look production-ready to me as a Chinese product. The XS60C is also said near to its second time around, with fixes for the safety etc. I may have more information tomorrow.

Show attendance appeared to be down on previous years - it wasn't a complete crush of people as previous first days have been. As attendance always tails-off later in the show, it may become quite quiet later. Hopefully this is not indicative of a lack of interest in the future of the shooting sports.

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
Online stores http://www.archerairguns.com
http://www.archerpelletguns.com
Videos http://www.youtube.com/ArcherAirguns
Blog http://www.archerairguns.info
Sooo, is this airgun you speak of the Chinese clone of the Webley-Venom Paradigm that never came to fruition?

Just for clarification, how is the gun a "single pump PCP"? Wouldn't it equate to a Single Stroke Pneumatic (SSP)? I know the Paradigm was praised as an SSP capable of PCP like perfromance...

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January 18th, 2012, 9:09 pm #5

Was it apparent from external examination that Crosman had many any improvements to the rifle? For an MSRP of $530 there had better be some improvement - otherwise just buy a TX200 and be done with it.

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It's got a gold trigger. Real gold!

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Joined: October 10th, 2003, 5:24 am

January 18th, 2012, 9:09 pm #6

Sooo, is this airgun you speak of the Chinese clone of the Webley-Venom Paradigm that never came to fruition?

Just for clarification, how is the gun a "single pump PCP"? Wouldn't it equate to a Single Stroke Pneumatic (SSP)? I know the Paradigm was praised as an SSP capable of PCP like perfromance...

"The majority of things in our lives are created by folks no smarter than the rest. Afterall, the world is comprised, and operated by C average people intellctually, academically, and morally. These people are often the great pioneers that set the precedent for what excellence should be."
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Joined: February 16th, 2009, 8:33 pm

January 18th, 2012, 9:12 pm #7

It's got a gold trigger. Real gold!
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/me ... 7+upgrades

Upgraded barrel, stock, trigger and improved cocking/beartrap mechanism. It will be interesting to see what reviewers think. Comes with a scope too - so for $350 retail maybe not terrible, esp. with dealer discounts and/or coupons.

Casey

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Joined: May 24th, 2011, 2:56 pm

January 18th, 2012, 11:04 pm #8

are we talking about two different guns here? The Crosman sight says $530 MSRP. For that kind of money, I would go with TX200, a proven product.
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January 18th, 2012, 11:14 pm #9

Actual retail price should be around $350. maybe the MSRP is a typo, not sure. But Chip @ Crosman directly stated the gun/scope combo would come in around $350 retail.

Look at the 3rd post here:

https://twitter.com/crosmancorp


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Joined: October 11th, 2006, 11:23 pm

January 18th, 2012, 11:49 pm #10

Here's a few - mainly Chinese related - observations from today's show.

Yes, the BAM B40 is indeed back, at least it's now called the Benjamin MAV77 Underlever Air Rifle. Crosman personnel retrieved what seemed to be the only sample at the show from the back room so that I could see it. This gun looked like a pre-production model as I didn't see a serial number or branding. It's going to be .177 caliber only. Crosman is claiming superior accuracy due to the fixed barrel. It also claims the B40 - er I mean MAV77 - to be "intensely powerful", although that's not quite how I would describe an air rifle producing about 15 ft/lbs of muzzle energy...

Another Crosman introduction that's undoubtedly sourced from BAM is the Crosman TR77. This is a break-barrel model with a straight-line military-style black synthetic stock with pistol grip. Looks interesting, but not a "wow" for me like the M-417 - or M4-177 as it's now called - pumper that's now also available in a desert tan color as well as the exising black.

Crosman also showed a range of "Powershot" lead-free pellets. There's "Fast Flight Penetrators for maximum penetration and superior velocity" in .177 caliber; "Red Flight Penetrators for superior penetration" in .22 cal and "Gold Flight Penetrators for increased stability for long range shooting", again in .177 caliber.

Xisico USA was showing a new XS26 model with automatic safety and Rekord-style trigger. They also showed a prototype single pump PCP of apparently British design, although it didn't look production-ready to me as a Chinese product. The XS60C is also said near to its second time around, with fixes for the safety etc. I may have more information tomorrow.

Show attendance appeared to be down on previous years - it wasn't a complete crush of people as previous first days have been. As attendance always tails-off later in the show, it may become quite quiet later. Hopefully this is not indicative of a lack of interest in the future of the shooting sports.

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
Online stores http://www.archerairguns.com
http://www.archerpelletguns.com
Videos http://www.youtube.com/ArcherAirguns
Blog http://www.archerairguns.info
wonder what the price will be on it?
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