Shooting the Stoeger X20

Shooting the Stoeger X20

Joined: August 28th, 2011, 4:15 am

December 6th, 2011, 6:04 pm #1

<p>I was talking to Stephen on the phone the other day and mentioned I was heading off to the indoor range. He asked what I was shooting, I told him, and one of the guns was my Stoeger X20. He's a Stoeger dealer now, so he expressed interest to hear how it went.</p><p>I managed one 3/8" group at 30 yards from a seated position. Kind of a field target position, but with no straps, jackets, or appendages to raise the front of the rifle to a comfortable position.</p><p>Here are some groups from it from earlier in the season. Stephen. These are some older targets, and I'm not a pro springer shooter by any means. but that 3-shot cloverleaf at 70 yards makes me think the rifle can do more than I'm allowing it to. </p><p>The details are written on the targets. They were shot from a bench. I can't recall how I rested the front end. I think on my open hand, but I wouldn't swear to it.</p><p>Notice that the 25 yard group is proportionally much worse than the 50 and 70 yard targets? I think the dots were too big, and didn't force me to focuse too tightly on it.</p><p>The scope mount is a typical one-piece mount, and the scope is a Leapers 3-12x40 AO. These are the best scope around for $70, if you ask me. Only disadvantage I can see is that they're heavy and the reticles are a tad thick.</p><p>The BAM rifles seem to get a lot of bandwidth here, but from what I've seen, these Stoeger rifles are a step above them in finish quality. The plastic stock is just great.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p>
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Joined: March 26th, 2008, 2:38 am

December 6th, 2011, 8:15 pm #2

consistantly from these guns.

Most (not all) of these guns have something I really do not care for....that huge,cocking grip/front sight/fiber optic/silencer looking thing at the muzzle....

But the reason the BAMs and the QB's get the lions share is they have put in their dues, and overall have performed well beyond thier price point.

Many of the BAM and AR/QB rifles can be had for around 160.00 shipped, and at disassebled/QC checked in Mike's case.

They will usually come good shooters, and in alot of cases, exceptional shooters.

Mike gives alot of "freebee" with the BAMs as well. Back when other places were selling them, they were selling at a larger price point, without the QC "double-check".

Really though, the groups and alot of exceptional feedback on here does it.

Search B-26, B-40, B-12, B-30, b-25, ruger airhawk/blackhawk, or QB on this forum thread.....sure you'll find a few bad, but most are good to stellar, and there are alot of those reviews.
Most of them are easy to work on, too....

The Stoegers have just come in at a price point a little higher than BAMs, where I for one thought to myself "Oh look, another china rifle!! Wonder if its any good....Well since I can get a B-Whatever at this price point, and know what I'm getting, I'll wait till I see a ton of good reviews for them before I buy one".

Haven't seen alot of bad reviews on them, just haven't seen that many reviews on them either way.
The ones I have looked at, also seem a little on the "heavier than the norm" side.

Hope the feedback explains a little and is helpful.

God bless,

Farmer
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Joined: January 9th, 2005, 1:46 am

December 7th, 2011, 2:29 am #3

<p>I was talking to Stephen on the phone the other day and mentioned I was heading off to the indoor range. He asked what I was shooting, I told him, and one of the guns was my Stoeger X20. He's a Stoeger dealer now, so he expressed interest to hear how it went.</p><p>I managed one 3/8" group at 30 yards from a seated position. Kind of a field target position, but with no straps, jackets, or appendages to raise the front of the rifle to a comfortable position.</p><p>Here are some groups from it from earlier in the season. Stephen. These are some older targets, and I'm not a pro springer shooter by any means. but that 3-shot cloverleaf at 70 yards makes me think the rifle can do more than I'm allowing it to. </p><p>The details are written on the targets. They were shot from a bench. I can't recall how I rested the front end. I think on my open hand, but I wouldn't swear to it.</p><p>Notice that the 25 yard group is proportionally much worse than the 50 and 70 yard targets? I think the dots were too big, and didn't force me to focuse too tightly on it.</p><p>The scope mount is a typical one-piece mount, and the scope is a Leapers 3-12x40 AO. These are the best scope around for $70, if you ask me. Only disadvantage I can see is that they're heavy and the reticles are a tad thick.</p><p>The BAM rifles seem to get a lot of bandwidth here, but from what I've seen, these Stoeger rifles are a step above them in finish quality. The plastic stock is just great.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p>
Jeremy,

Thanks for publishing your targets! You are obviously a waaaaaaaaay better shot than me and - as you say - the 50-yard and 70-yard groups are very good

I agree with you that the quality of Stoeger airguns is a cut above some of the other products produced by the BAM factory. This is clearly a function of the positioning made by Stoeger Airguns product management - aiming at a higher quality product - together with their undoubted willingness to pay a little more for the products to achieve that quality level.

In response to Farmer's request for more test targets on Stoeger airguns, I've already published many - together with other test data - from most of the Stoeger models in the Archer Airguns blog at http://www.archerairguns.info/search?q=stoeger

Also, it's easy to remove that "huge,cocking grip/front sight/fiber optic/silencer looking thing at the muzzle...." from the Stoeger X5/10/20 and replace it with a simple barrel grip/muzzle brake using standard factory parts. We carry this popular up-grade part at http://www.archerairguns.com/Stoeger-X1 ... r38210.htm

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
Online stores http://www.archerairguns.com
http://www.archerpelletguns.com
Videos http://www.youtube.com/ArcherAirguns
Blog http://www.archerairguns.info
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Joined: September 16th, 2008, 1:54 am

December 7th, 2011, 2:59 am #4

consistantly from these guns.

Most (not all) of these guns have something I really do not care for....that huge,cocking grip/front sight/fiber optic/silencer looking thing at the muzzle....

But the reason the BAMs and the QB's get the lions share is they have put in their dues, and overall have performed well beyond thier price point.

Many of the BAM and AR/QB rifles can be had for around 160.00 shipped, and at disassebled/QC checked in Mike's case.

They will usually come good shooters, and in alot of cases, exceptional shooters.

Mike gives alot of "freebee" with the BAMs as well. Back when other places were selling them, they were selling at a larger price point, without the QC "double-check".

Really though, the groups and alot of exceptional feedback on here does it.

Search B-26, B-40, B-12, B-30, b-25, ruger airhawk/blackhawk, or QB on this forum thread.....sure you'll find a few bad, but most are good to stellar, and there are alot of those reviews.
Most of them are easy to work on, too....

The Stoegers have just come in at a price point a little higher than BAMs, where I for one thought to myself "Oh look, another china rifle!! Wonder if its any good....Well since I can get a B-Whatever at this price point, and know what I'm getting, I'll wait till I see a ton of good reviews for them before I buy one".

Haven't seen alot of bad reviews on them, just haven't seen that many reviews on them either way.
The ones I have looked at, also seem a little on the "heavier than the norm" side.

Hope the feedback explains a little and is helpful.

God bless,

Farmer
is the reason I purchased it. I need something on the quiet side for backyard shooting. I will give it a try and see how the gun does.
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Joined: March 26th, 2008, 2:38 am

December 7th, 2011, 3:40 am #5

Jeremy,

Thanks for publishing your targets! You are obviously a waaaaaaaaay better shot than me and - as you say - the 50-yard and 70-yard groups are very good

I agree with you that the quality of Stoeger airguns is a cut above some of the other products produced by the BAM factory. This is clearly a function of the positioning made by Stoeger Airguns product management - aiming at a higher quality product - together with their undoubted willingness to pay a little more for the products to achieve that quality level.

In response to Farmer's request for more test targets on Stoeger airguns, I've already published many - together with other test data - from most of the Stoeger models in the Archer Airguns blog at http://www.archerairguns.info/search?q=stoeger

Also, it's easy to remove that "huge,cocking grip/front sight/fiber optic/silencer looking thing at the muzzle...." from the Stoeger X5/10/20 and replace it with a simple barrel grip/muzzle brake using standard factory parts. We carry this popular up-grade part at http://www.archerairguns.com/Stoeger-X1 ... r38210.htm

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
Online stores http://www.archerairguns.com
http://www.archerpelletguns.com
Videos http://www.youtube.com/ArcherAirguns
Blog http://www.archerairguns.info
That is a surprising revealation.

Couple more questions....

Are there 2 versions of the x20, the regular and the supressor version?

One of the models looks very sharp, but looks like the whole barrel is shrouded, not just the end. Much better look than the huge 4inch thing stuck on the end.

The one with the full length shroud, what is the length and the weight without a scope?

Is that the old b19 gamo trigger group?

Who is manufacturing these for Benelli/Stoeger?

Are you stocking most parts?

Thanks for your time,

God bless,

Farmer
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Joined: January 9th, 2005, 1:46 am

December 7th, 2011, 4:09 am #6

Farmer,

In response to your questions...

Yes, there are two versions of the X20. The Suppressor and standard (non-Suppressor versions).

The X20 Suppressor is the model with the whole barrel shrouded. The length is 43-inches and the weight 7lbs for the .177 caliber version without scope. The .22 will be a little less - as usual for air rifles.

You are correct, the trigger group does look quite familiar!

All Stoeger air rifles are manufactured by BAM in Wuxi, China.

And yes, Archer Airguns has been appointed the official parts supplier to the US market for Stoeger Airguns by Benelli USA (the owners of the Stoeger Airguns brand). We have an extensive range of parts for all the Stoeger models.

Accuracy of these guns is better than my capabilities to shoot them - as Jeremy has demonstrated.

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
Online stores http://www.archerairguns.com
http://www.archerpelletguns.com
Videos http://www.youtube.com/ArcherAirguns
Blog http://www.archerairguns.info
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