Ruger Blackhawk tune guidence

Ruger Blackhawk tune guidence

Joined: May 12th, 2011, 3:44 am

May 30th, 2012, 6:37 am #1

I got my refurbished rifle project today with the intentions of tuning it. Before I begin, I wanted to ask what you guys would do with a $45 budget to tune the rifle for smoothness, accuracy, and dampen the sound of the spring. So far I like the rifle and know there is a lot of potential that is waiting to be unlocked. I have a shop full of tools and am mechanically inclined. I will have to make a spring compressor but that is not issue at all. I have some Air Ventury moly paste as a starting point for lube. I am curious if the meccari heavy tar will help with spring twang or is needed for this project? Thanks for the input!
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Joined: May 31st, 2008, 5:09 pm

May 30th, 2012, 12:15 pm #2

And give us a review! It'll be a wee bit over your budget but maybe Tom Gore can lower the price for you if you give us all a review here on the yellow/Chinese forum.

http://vortekproducts.com/ourstore/Tuni ... uct_id=112



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Joined: January 9th, 2005, 1:46 am

May 30th, 2012, 2:20 pm #3

I got my refurbished rifle project today with the intentions of tuning it. Before I begin, I wanted to ask what you guys would do with a $45 budget to tune the rifle for smoothness, accuracy, and dampen the sound of the spring. So far I like the rifle and know there is a lot of potential that is waiting to be unlocked. I have a shop full of tools and am mechanically inclined. I will have to make a spring compressor but that is not issue at all. I have some Air Ventury moly paste as a starting point for lube. I am curious if the meccari heavy tar will help with spring twang or is needed for this project? Thanks for the input!
In testing Xisico XS25 models - which are very, very similar to the Rugers - we've found that the synthetic stock guns are typically somewhat less accurate "out of the box" than those with wood stocks.

This is probably because the synthetic stock is much lighter than the wood stocks and so doesn't soak up the recoil so well. If you pop off the buttpad, you'll see that the buttstock is hollow, with just a couple of reinforcing ribs across it. I'm currently experimenting with putting differing amounts of weight inside these buttstock voids to determine the effect on accuracy. Initial results look positive...

I'm sure I can't be the first to try this. Has anyone else been successful with adding weight to these synthetic stocks and achieving an improvement in accuracy?

Another simple idea is to check the quality of the barrel crowning and refinish if necessary. Again, this is for accuracy.

Also check the breech seal in the end of the barrel. Does this give a good seal with the front of the gun's compression chamber? If it doesn't - the breech seal can sometimes sit below the level of the barrel face on these guns - then a shim under the breech seal will raise it into good contact and can give a significant increase in muzzle velocity (we've seen 50fps+ from doing this).

These could be simple, low cost, low tech starting points for your tune.

I hope this helps...

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
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May 30th, 2012, 3:33 pm #4

And give us a review! It'll be a wee bit over your budget but maybe Tom Gore can lower the price for you if you give us all a review here on the yellow/Chinese forum.

http://vortekproducts.com/ourstore/Tuni ... uct_id=112



Mike
Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know if this kit will make the rifle more hold sensitive?
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Joined: May 12th, 2011, 3:44 am

May 30th, 2012, 3:36 pm #5

In testing Xisico XS25 models - which are very, very similar to the Rugers - we've found that the synthetic stock guns are typically somewhat less accurate "out of the box" than those with wood stocks.

This is probably because the synthetic stock is much lighter than the wood stocks and so doesn't soak up the recoil so well. If you pop off the buttpad, you'll see that the buttstock is hollow, with just a couple of reinforcing ribs across it. I'm currently experimenting with putting differing amounts of weight inside these buttstock voids to determine the effect on accuracy. Initial results look positive...

I'm sure I can't be the first to try this. Has anyone else been successful with adding weight to these synthetic stocks and achieving an improvement in accuracy?

Another simple idea is to check the quality of the barrel crowning and refinish if necessary. Again, this is for accuracy.

Also check the breech seal in the end of the barrel. Does this give a good seal with the front of the gun's compression chamber? If it doesn't - the breech seal can sometimes sit below the level of the barrel face on these guns - then a shim under the breech seal will raise it into good contact and can give a significant increase in muzzle velocity (we've seen 50fps+ from doing this).

These could be simple, low cost, low tech starting points for your tune.

I hope this helps...

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
Online stores http://www.archerairguns.com
http://www.archerpelletguns.com
Videos http://www.youtube.com/ArcherAirguns
Blog http://www.archerairguns.info
Thank you! This point is something else I will list on my check list.
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May 31st, 2012, 12:04 pm #6

Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know if this kit will make the rifle more hold sensitive?
should be less hold sensitive so long as the gun is not powering up a lot.

These tune kits are designed to have tighter fitting guides etc to help ensure any recoil is straight back. Also no twang or vibrations.I know the Vortek Pg2 In my m48 is much less hold sensitive than stock. Also due to the nature of the spring selection etc lock time of often decreased and this translates into increased accuracy so long as all the rest of the guns parts are in line (crown breech seal, no burs that can damage a pellet).

You might need to play with the hold of your gun as it will be a totally different animal with a tune kit, it is subjective however what you think of it and how much difference you see.

If you want less hold sensitive you might want to look into a soft tune... do all the right things with the guide,spring selection and seal and then using a less powerful spring and dropping the power some can turn some guns into amazingly accurate machines!

You might want to Talk to Vortek/Tom Gore and ask your questions vihttp://vortekproducts.com/ourstore/inde ... on/contact TGore is very good about getting back to people and answering there questions.

Bruce
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Joined: May 12th, 2011, 3:44 am

May 31st, 2012, 10:58 pm #7

And give us a review! It'll be a wee bit over your budget but maybe Tom Gore can lower the price for you if you give us all a review here on the yellow/Chinese forum.

http://vortekproducts.com/ourstore/Tuni ... uct_id=112



Mike
Thanks for the insight on the kit. After much consideration of which avenue I should take, I decided to purchase the kit and have already placed my order. Shipping is very reasonable and I think the kit offers the best value and is worth the extra money. I plan on doing a detailed review of before and after that will include chrony testing on the stock set then chrony the rifle after it has been tuned with the new kit installed. I have a good range of .177 pellets of various weights to test. The lightest I have are the RWS Hallow points at 6.9 grains to the heaviest being Eun Jin 16.1 grains. However this is to heavy for this springer so I will limit the weight to the JSB/Air Arms 10 grain domed pellets. Stay tuned...I will start a new thread to make the progress of my tuning. All of your input has been very much appreciated!
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June 3rd, 2012, 1:47 pm #8

I've done this to both of my Diana Panther 34 rifles. One is a TO5 22 cal, the other a 177 TO6 model. Both are fitted with Vortek kits. Mr. Archer is correct about adding weight. I used rolls of pennies, .75 cents worth in the P34/22 and a whole dollars worth in the TO6/177. Heavier now yes, but nothing a sling can't handle.





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June 3rd, 2012, 6:01 pm #9

I got my refurbished rifle project today with the intentions of tuning it. Before I begin, I wanted to ask what you guys would do with a $45 budget to tune the rifle for smoothness, accuracy, and dampen the sound of the spring. So far I like the rifle and know there is a lot of potential that is waiting to be unlocked. I have a shop full of tools and am mechanically inclined. I will have to make a spring compressor but that is not issue at all. I have some Air Ventury moly paste as a starting point for lube. I am curious if the meccari heavy tar will help with spring twang or is needed for this project? Thanks for the input!
that weight not lined up with the piston will increase pitch during the firing stroke. A steel sleeve over the barrel is best, if you can manage it,with weight in the comb to balance. Comb weight alone is second best.
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Joined: January 9th, 2005, 1:46 am

June 3rd, 2012, 7:52 pm #10

Gentlemen, thanks for your support on the increased accuracy gained by increasing the stock weight on these air rifles.

My first effort was to - don't laugh! - fill the voids in the stock with sand. My thinking here was that sand is heavy, is cheap and it would be easy to fill the voids completely. But don't try this at home folks...

Results of that test showed that the increased weight certainly gave better accuracy, but the recoil shook sand out of the join between the stock and the buttpad - a sort of hydraulic shock set in and the sand tried to escape any way it could - preferably backwards over me

A second attempt was to fill the stock with lead pellets. Again, accuracy improved, but I couldn't stop the gun so-filled from rattling.

Next, I will be trying Electricians' Duct Seal. This is the stuff we sell it for use in our "Silent" Pellet Traps, so there's some to hand http://www.archerairguns.com/12-lbs-Put ... 2putty.htm

Duct Seal is heavy, easily molded into shape and doesn't rattle. It's also cheap and easy to obtain at Home Depot.

Maybe this will be third time lucky. Or has anyone else tried this already?

Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
Online stores http://www.archerairguns.com
http://www.archerpelletguns.com
Videos http://www.youtube.com/ArcherAirguns
Blog http://www.archerairguns.info
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