Looking for scope recommendations for the Mutant Short

Looking for scope recommendations for the Mutant Short

Joined: November 25th, 2012, 3:58 am

March 18th, 2017, 2:22 pm #1

Will be used primarily for pest removal at 50 yards and below shooting mostly offhand, so would like something fairly light weight. Prefer side focus and must focus down to 10 yards. Budget is up to $500. Possible scopes I've been thinking about:

SWFA SS 3-15x42
SWFA SS 10x42 Fixed Power
Falcon M18 4-14x44
Sightron S-TAC 4-20x50

Would appreciate your thoughts and suggestions, especially from current or prior Mutant owners. Thanks in advance!
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Joined: November 9th, 2009, 2:41 pm

March 18th, 2017, 2:49 pm #2

oversized like the ones you've listed. Here's one on my .177 Vulcan....



Here it is on my Mutant.....



Check the Classifieds.
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Joined: April 1st, 2016, 7:32 pm

March 18th, 2017, 3:24 pm #3

Will be used primarily for pest removal at 50 yards and below shooting mostly offhand, so would like something fairly light weight. Prefer side focus and must focus down to 10 yards. Budget is up to $500. Possible scopes I've been thinking about:

SWFA SS 3-15x42
SWFA SS 10x42 Fixed Power
Falcon M18 4-14x44
Sightron S-TAC 4-20x50

Would appreciate your thoughts and suggestions, especially from current or prior Mutant owners. Thanks in advance!
Hello Tracy,I just received two of the Sightron S-TAC 4x20x50 and what a surprise! I have always had a Zeiss Conquest 4.5x14x50 MC with a duplex reticle. It is the highest quality scope I own and it is what I had on my Powertuned Cricket .25 Bullpup. A customer/ friend recommended I try the S-TAC 4x20x50 with MOA reticle as a replacement scope due to it's higher magnification, ability to focus down to ten yards, better reticle and lower cost. I was skeptical that a scope that did not have German glass could compete with my Zeiss Conquest. Was I ever wrong!
I got two of the S-TAC 4x20x50 MOA reticle in to test against my Conquest.
So yesterday evening I waited until the last 30 minutes of light, I believe just about any scope looks fairly clear with a lot of light, it is in low light when the quality optics of a scope reveal itself. I had some metal spinners out at about 110 yards, with both scopes mounted on bullpups so that I can look through them supported in my clamped rest.
I then pointed both guns at the cement 10 yards in front of me to get the sharpest possible ocular/ reticle focus possible for a fair comparison between the two quality scopes. I first tested both scopes at 14 power because that is the max for the Conquest.
I wasn't worried about the box test or the turret system because they are both quality scopes and have been proven many times over, by other people that both of these scopes are very reliable. This test I was doing was strictly for low light optical clarity.
This is what I found.
Both scopes were exactly equal in clarity. I looked at a piece of cardboard at 40 yards to see if both scopes showed the corrugated cardboard print through behind the surface layer of cardboard as well as the various sized pellet holes and again both scopes in the were exactly equal in low light.
Back out to the spinners at 110 yards, with the light getting even lower I tested both at 14 power again and it was still a dead even tie. Now I dialed up the Sightron S-TAC to its max 20 power, the new strikes on the spinners that knocked off the paint were still totally sharp, what amazed me is that with the 20 power setting I could now see where the white spray paint did not fully white out the old strikes and still had a slightly grayish undertone to the white spray painted surface.
I could not believe my eyes that a non German glassed scope at over $350.oo less for a similar reticle had the exact same optical clarity.
Another key point for the Field Target shooters is how well it snapped into focus, even at the lower 14 mag setting it still snapped right into focus, it carried out this function much better than the Conquest.
I have always said the glass quality follows the money, this S-TAC has proven me wrong.
I will be mounting this on my .25 Cricket today in Burris Signature rings to enjoy more magnification and a better reticle at $350.oo less than the Conquest.
So bottom line Tracy, I don't know the other scopes you have listed, but I can tell you with all certainty the claims I have made above are backed up with my experience and testing and the S-TAC will now be my premiere line of scopes at Georgia Airguns.
Thanks for reading the long write up.

Charlie Frear, Georgia Airguns
georgiaairguns.net
706-884-6707
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Joined: November 25th, 2012, 3:58 am

March 18th, 2017, 3:28 pm #4

oversized like the ones you've listed. Here's one on my .177 Vulcan....



Here it is on my Mutant.....



Check the Classifieds.
Thought about this one, but its not side focus.
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Joined: November 25th, 2012, 3:58 am

March 18th, 2017, 3:35 pm #5

Hello Tracy,I just received two of the Sightron S-TAC 4x20x50 and what a surprise! I have always had a Zeiss Conquest 4.5x14x50 MC with a duplex reticle. It is the highest quality scope I own and it is what I had on my Powertuned Cricket .25 Bullpup. A customer/ friend recommended I try the S-TAC 4x20x50 with MOA reticle as a replacement scope due to it's higher magnification, ability to focus down to ten yards, better reticle and lower cost. I was skeptical that a scope that did not have German glass could compete with my Zeiss Conquest. Was I ever wrong!
I got two of the S-TAC 4x20x50 MOA reticle in to test against my Conquest.
So yesterday evening I waited until the last 30 minutes of light, I believe just about any scope looks fairly clear with a lot of light, it is in low light when the quality optics of a scope reveal itself. I had some metal spinners out at about 110 yards, with both scopes mounted on bullpups so that I can look through them supported in my clamped rest.
I then pointed both guns at the cement 10 yards in front of me to get the sharpest possible ocular/ reticle focus possible for a fair comparison between the two quality scopes. I first tested both scopes at 14 power because that is the max for the Conquest.
I wasn't worried about the box test or the turret system because they are both quality scopes and have been proven many times over, by other people that both of these scopes are very reliable. This test I was doing was strictly for low light optical clarity.
This is what I found.
Both scopes were exactly equal in clarity. I looked at a piece of cardboard at 40 yards to see if both scopes showed the corrugated cardboard print through behind the surface layer of cardboard as well as the various sized pellet holes and again both scopes in the were exactly equal in low light.
Back out to the spinners at 110 yards, with the light getting even lower I tested both at 14 power again and it was still a dead even tie. Now I dialed up the Sightron S-TAC to its max 20 power, the new strikes on the spinners that knocked off the paint were still totally sharp, what amazed me is that with the 20 power setting I could now see where the white spray paint did not fully white out the old strikes and still had a slightly grayish undertone to the white spray painted surface.
I could not believe my eyes that a non German glassed scope at over $350.oo less for a similar reticle had the exact same optical clarity.
Another key point for the Field Target shooters is how well it snapped into focus, even at the lower 14 mag setting it still snapped right into focus, it carried out this function much better than the Conquest.
I have always said the glass quality follows the money, this S-TAC has proven me wrong.
I will be mounting this on my .25 Cricket today in Burris Signature rings to enjoy more magnification and a better reticle at $350.oo less than the Conquest.
So bottom line Tracy, I don't know the other scopes you have listed, but I can tell you with all certainty the claims I have made above are backed up with my experience and testing and the S-TAC will now be my premiere line of scopes at Georgia Airguns.
Thanks for reading the long write up.

Charlie Frear, Georgia Airguns
georgiaairguns.net
706-884-6707
This one is high on my list. I have an SIII on my RAW, and its the best glass I've seen for the price point. It's a little longer than I would like, but still fairly light at 23.8 oz. Midway has it on sale right now, but I'd be happy to buy it from you if I go this route if the cost is the same or close.
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Joined: November 9th, 2009, 2:41 pm

March 18th, 2017, 4:33 pm #6

Thought about this one, but its not side focus.
set my AO at 50 yards and shoot. Absolutely no need to fiddle with focusing. For target shooting, simply set it at the distance. IMHO, too many think they just have to have S/F when AO works fine and is more foolproof.
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Joined: December 10th, 2014, 6:34 pm

March 18th, 2017, 4:57 pm #7

This one is high on my list. I have an SIII on my RAW, and its the best glass I've seen for the price point. It's a little longer than I would like, but still fairly light at 23.8 oz. Midway has it on sale right now, but I'd be happy to buy it from you if I go this route if the cost is the same or close.
This is what I had in mine,and love it .
It's reticle is half mil dot graduated for highly precise aim points .
This scope is an excellent choice for a range up to 100/120 yards.
Priced around $150 plus $15 for the side wheel,it can't be beat .
A bit heavy because the tube is 30mm (1.8 #),but worth it.
For higher magnification,maybe the one that Charlie mentioned would be the ticket .

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Joined: January 24th, 2016, 11:15 am

March 18th, 2017, 5:12 pm #8

Will be used primarily for pest removal at 50 yards and below shooting mostly offhand, so would like something fairly light weight. Prefer side focus and must focus down to 10 yards. Budget is up to $500. Possible scopes I've been thinking about:

SWFA SS 3-15x42
SWFA SS 10x42 Fixed Power
Falcon M18 4-14x44
Sightron S-TAC 4-20x50

Would appreciate your thoughts and suggestions, especially from current or prior Mutant owners. Thanks in advance!
I have a SWFA SS 12x42 on my mutant standard and it works very well. Couldn't ask for more for the price IMO.
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Joined: April 19th, 2015, 2:09 am

March 18th, 2017, 5:15 pm #9

Will be used primarily for pest removal at 50 yards and below shooting mostly offhand, so would like something fairly light weight. Prefer side focus and must focus down to 10 yards. Budget is up to $500. Possible scopes I've been thinking about:

SWFA SS 3-15x42
SWFA SS 10x42 Fixed Power
Falcon M18 4-14x44
Sightron S-TAC 4-20x50

Would appreciate your thoughts and suggestions, especially from current or prior Mutant owners. Thanks in advance!
I've got a couple Mutant Shorty's. Because of their ability to shoot
100 plus yards I tend to over scope them a bit. I was watching a video
of for the Edgun Leshiy and Brian of Edguns West made a couple suggestions
for the Leshiy that I thought might work on the Shorty as well. My Leshiy
gets here Monday so I will try them out on that gun first.

Anyway, the lower Mutant has a Aeon 6-24X50

That is a UTG Mini Swat above it 4-16X44
A Bugbuster 3-9X32 above that.

The top gun has a Hawke Sidewinder 9-16X50.

Just for a size comparison.

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Joined: October 11th, 2016, 2:27 pm

March 18th, 2017, 5:33 pm #10

set my AO at 50 yards and shoot. Absolutely no need to fiddle with focusing. For target shooting, simply set it at the distance. IMHO, too many think they just have to have S/F when AO works fine and is more foolproof.
but AO is more precise. In fact I've learned that unless you have a GOOD scope, even changing magnification can change POI. I at this point wish I had all simple fixed 4x 40mm with 1/2 mils, AMX or Horus type reticles. Only time I ever use higher mag is to see strikes on paper at longer distances. It then gets turned right back down clockwise all the way to try to get it precisely where it was zeroed. In fact I'd rather set it and forget it and use binoculars to see the target; but they'll come eventually.
One thing I'm a bit torn on are my 2 Japanese Bushnells, a Trophy & a Banner both in excellent to mint condition. Too bad they don't even have simple Mil-dots. I've been considering selling as I have one on each Discovery and those rifles & myself would definitely benefit from Hawkes with AMX.
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