Here's one I hadn't heard before...

Here's one I hadn't heard before...

Joined: August 20th, 2006, 5:36 am

April 14th, 2017, 3:48 pm #1

Had a powder burner for sale on a different forum and wasn't getting any interest, not only no responses, but not even much in the way of looks. I've only just gotten back into firearms after a nearly 20 year hiatus, so I'm not nearly as familiar with pricing as I am airguns. So I put up a post asking why. Only got one response to that post, guy said yes, I was over-priced, I don't agree with his comparables, but we're all entitled to our opinions. But then he said part of the reason it was over-priced was "it's a short action (.308 Win.), and they're not as desirable". Really?!

As far as I understand it, action length is determined by cartridge choice, and that choice is based on intended use. And from research prompted by his statement, depending on the list, of the top 10 most popular current rifle cartridges, somewhere around half are short actions, with the .308 consistently in the top 5. Based on other stuff he said, I wrote the guy off as either a newb that just had to say something, or a wannabe gun "expert" that was repeating something he thought sounded profound. So did I do him a disservice, are short action rifles "less desirable"? And if so, why?

On a related note, I've decided NOT to sell that particular rifle, instead, I'm going to try a muzzle brake, see if that helps with my recoil sensitivity. I've read that it can reduce the recoil significantly, making the .308 feel more like a .223/5.56. Just recently built my first AR and am thinking about a second, but if I can get the .308 down to a similar recoil level, I'd be a happy camper. Later.

Dave
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Joined: May 22nd, 2016, 9:38 pm

April 14th, 2017, 4:39 pm #2

...on what "short action" means.

Regarding recoil, I'd try a recoil-absorbing butt pad. Check out www.Brownells.com. Even if your rifle already has one, you may be able to find a better one there, one that actually works. Many are now just for looks: One thing I loathe about modern airguns is that they seem to inevitably come with recoil-absorbing butt pads. I think they look silly on anything other than centerfire rifles and shotguns.

Is your .308 very light? That could explain the harsh recoil. I've heard of folks putting lead shot hidden in the forearm and butt (taking care to ensure that the rifle is balanced) to fix that.
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Joined: June 14th, 2007, 7:51 pm

April 14th, 2017, 6:03 pm #3

read all I could about the 30-06, I memorizes all loads,ft.lbs and velocity for each load...that is the cartridge the military used;then they went to the .308...guess what,almost all the 30-06 could do the .308 could do..
A short"throw" bolt action is a great action..I do not see any problem with it as far as price and intent go; FACT the brand of rifle would have more effect on prices than the action...
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Joined: May 19th, 2013, 7:18 pm

April 14th, 2017, 6:23 pm #4

Had a powder burner for sale on a different forum and wasn't getting any interest, not only no responses, but not even much in the way of looks. I've only just gotten back into firearms after a nearly 20 year hiatus, so I'm not nearly as familiar with pricing as I am airguns. So I put up a post asking why. Only got one response to that post, guy said yes, I was over-priced, I don't agree with his comparables, but we're all entitled to our opinions. But then he said part of the reason it was over-priced was "it's a short action (.308 Win.), and they're not as desirable". Really?!

As far as I understand it, action length is determined by cartridge choice, and that choice is based on intended use. And from research prompted by his statement, depending on the list, of the top 10 most popular current rifle cartridges, somewhere around half are short actions, with the .308 consistently in the top 5. Based on other stuff he said, I wrote the guy off as either a newb that just had to say something, or a wannabe gun "expert" that was repeating something he thought sounded profound. So did I do him a disservice, are short action rifles "less desirable"? And if so, why?

On a related note, I've decided NOT to sell that particular rifle, instead, I'm going to try a muzzle brake, see if that helps with my recoil sensitivity. I've read that it can reduce the recoil significantly, making the .308 feel more like a .223/5.56. Just recently built my first AR and am thinking about a second, but if I can get the .308 down to a similar recoil level, I'd be a happy camper. Later.

Dave
Just kidding.

Just to be clear for the overly sensitive: I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING HERE. In fact....you might want to make the same statement in your OP before you get banned.

Ok, in some calibers there are short actions and long actions. That is in the SAME caliber. Yes, the same caliber. I am thinking of Remington model 700s at the moment. In .243 they were produced in a short action and a long action. The wonderful 22-250 also came in short and long actions from several makers.

Don't hold me to this, but I think the reason is simply: modified calibers/parent cases. Kind of like when I put one of my jackets on my son. Take your .308. To some it is really just a short .30-06 (actually it is a LONG .300 Savage). So if you have a .308 that was built on a .30-06 action you would essentially have a long actioned .308. I have two Garands (not for sale): One in .30-06 (not for sale) the other in .308 (not for sale). Same action. The not-for-sale .308 would be considered a "long" action just because it is longer than needed for the .308 cartridge. (Don't even get me started on .38spec vs .357 or .44spec vs .44mag)

Which one is more desirable? Lets see: I once asked a whitetail deer: "Do you prefer the short action or the long action?" He said "I refuse to answer on the grounds that I am dead as a doornail and have no freaking idea which one killed me."

Now...before you toss your .308 (not for sale) because of recoil, and before you ruin it with a muzzle break....consider lighter bullets and lower velocity loads. I make my own loads for .30-06 (child of the .30-03 and grandchild of the .30-01 (not for sale) that feel like a .22 (not for sale) when shot from my Springfield (not for sale) or my M1 Garand (not for sale). These are used for target competitions where precision and not power are key....but I sure as heck would not want to catch one down range.

If you don't reload....get into it. Its fun and frustrating! I will meet you over at the ReloadBench.com and keep you from killing yourself.
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Joined: February 1st, 2014, 12:51 pm

April 14th, 2017, 7:03 pm #5

Dork. nt.
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Joined: October 10th, 2003, 5:24 am

April 14th, 2017, 8:10 pm #6

Had a powder burner for sale on a different forum and wasn't getting any interest, not only no responses, but not even much in the way of looks. I've only just gotten back into firearms after a nearly 20 year hiatus, so I'm not nearly as familiar with pricing as I am airguns. So I put up a post asking why. Only got one response to that post, guy said yes, I was over-priced, I don't agree with his comparables, but we're all entitled to our opinions. But then he said part of the reason it was over-priced was "it's a short action (.308 Win.), and they're not as desirable". Really?!

As far as I understand it, action length is determined by cartridge choice, and that choice is based on intended use. And from research prompted by his statement, depending on the list, of the top 10 most popular current rifle cartridges, somewhere around half are short actions, with the .308 consistently in the top 5. Based on other stuff he said, I wrote the guy off as either a newb that just had to say something, or a wannabe gun "expert" that was repeating something he thought sounded profound. So did I do him a disservice, are short action rifles "less desirable"? And if so, why?

On a related note, I've decided NOT to sell that particular rifle, instead, I'm going to try a muzzle brake, see if that helps with my recoil sensitivity. I've read that it can reduce the recoil significantly, making the .308 feel more like a .223/5.56. Just recently built my first AR and am thinking about a second, but if I can get the .308 down to a similar recoil level, I'd be a happy camper. Later.

Dave
What is it? Curious minds gots to know! If a Savage 110, it might come into play for someone looking to rebarrel since that could limit cartridge choices. However, you would only lose one or two prospective buyers. You action is sized correctly for your cartridge and, since most folks buy to shoot as-is, isn't a problem. Some guys have to throw in their two cents. Now tell us what you've got.
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Joined: April 13th, 2016, 3:50 pm

April 14th, 2017, 9:06 pm #7

Had a powder burner for sale on a different forum and wasn't getting any interest, not only no responses, but not even much in the way of looks. I've only just gotten back into firearms after a nearly 20 year hiatus, so I'm not nearly as familiar with pricing as I am airguns. So I put up a post asking why. Only got one response to that post, guy said yes, I was over-priced, I don't agree with his comparables, but we're all entitled to our opinions. But then he said part of the reason it was over-priced was "it's a short action (.308 Win.), and they're not as desirable". Really?!

As far as I understand it, action length is determined by cartridge choice, and that choice is based on intended use. And from research prompted by his statement, depending on the list, of the top 10 most popular current rifle cartridges, somewhere around half are short actions, with the .308 consistently in the top 5. Based on other stuff he said, I wrote the guy off as either a newb that just had to say something, or a wannabe gun "expert" that was repeating something he thought sounded profound. So did I do him a disservice, are short action rifles "less desirable"? And if so, why?

On a related note, I've decided NOT to sell that particular rifle, instead, I'm going to try a muzzle brake, see if that helps with my recoil sensitivity. I've read that it can reduce the recoil significantly, making the .308 feel more like a .223/5.56. Just recently built my first AR and am thinking about a second, but if I can get the .308 down to a similar recoil level, I'd be a happy camper. Later.

Dave
My Rock River LAR 10 shoots like a dream. If you go down the AR style 308 road make sure you understand which magazine it takes.
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Joined: June 14th, 2007, 7:51 pm

April 14th, 2017, 9:49 pm #8

not for sale...but forget all the BS,.308 is short action, 30-06 is long action, because the shells are different lengths.. many different cal. can be chambered in either action.Had a 788 in.222,accurate as anything..how accurate Jesse,1/2" at 100 yds...which is about as accurate as my .22 rimfire ...which rimfire could that be Jesse, guess.
Sorry I changed the subject,but my goodness there is so much tension that I feel like sharpening some butter knives...
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Joined: February 1st, 2014, 12:51 pm

April 14th, 2017, 10:36 pm #9

Matter of fact, IF I were after a .308 (not in the market) it would only be in a short action.
Same goes for any progeny of the .308 such as 7mm-08, 243, 338 Federal, etc etc, (none of which I'm in the market for at this time)


Mostly because I have a 6.5 Swede, light kicking not too loud and great external and terminal performance.
Oh yeah that reminds me, 260 Rem also .308 based... AKA 6.5-08...(but I wouldn't buy one)
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Joined: June 14th, 2007, 7:51 pm

April 15th, 2017, 1:12 am #10

I got one of those Swede 6.5 Mausers..nice...nt
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