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Joined: August 3rd, 2006, 4:53 am

March 26th, 2012, 4:21 pm #1

I'm moving out of PCP and into HW springers. For many reasons. I want to have some quality springer history. I want to develop great spring gun marksmanship skills, (Off hand mainly, then sitting and prone). I love the elegant look of a Irons only rifle. Clean, light ready for anything. I no longer need a 50 yard plus PCP rifle since I only shoot my 17 yard / 25 yard ranges at my home. I have wanted a HW 77 for so very long, but can't really justify the added weight over the HW 50. I plan on extended shooting periods with this rifle, like 100 to 200 pellet shooting sessions at a time. I think the 77 would start to weigh in at that kinda shooting. My planned usages are paper punching, metal silhouettes, minor pest, rabbits, squirrels at distances under 35 yards. Other than more down range energy is the HW77 more accurate in your opinion than the HW50s. I plan on using only Iron receiver/front sights. Any and all comments welcome. OH and if you have a pic of your HW rifle with a receiver sight on it would you mind terribly posting it. Just adds to the enticment and gives me idea's of what to put on it Sight wise.

Thanks everyone.
Art Keys

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March 26th, 2012, 4:43 pm #2

Art: I certainly can't argue with your thinking. A couple of comments:

The HW77 is, perhaps, on the heavier end of the weight spectrum, but I don't think it is "too heavy." Like most things in life, it's what you're used to. I shoot my '77 rifle off hand, mostly, and I don't feel like the weight is a problem. I suppose that you could always consider the Karbine to save a small amount of weight and 100mm of length.

Be sure that you understand the differences between the '77 and the other HW models. The '77 is an older design (now apparently Mark3). In particular, most of the other HW models incorporate more modern fiber optic iron sights whereas the '77 still features the older black iron sights. Depending upon the condition of your eyes, that may be fine, but it's something to think about. Weihrauch offers replacement FO sights for the HW77, but I don't yet know all details about them (although I have a set on order).

You might at least look at some of the other spring guns on the market. Many folks are happy with other brands and models, for good reasons.

Good luck.
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March 26th, 2012, 4:46 pm #3

I'm moving out of PCP and into HW springers. For many reasons. I want to have some quality springer history. I want to develop great spring gun marksmanship skills, (Off hand mainly, then sitting and prone). I love the elegant look of a Irons only rifle. Clean, light ready for anything. I no longer need a 50 yard plus PCP rifle since I only shoot my 17 yard / 25 yard ranges at my home. I have wanted a HW 77 for so very long, but can't really justify the added weight over the HW 50. I plan on extended shooting periods with this rifle, like 100 to 200 pellet shooting sessions at a time. I think the 77 would start to weigh in at that kinda shooting. My planned usages are paper punching, metal silhouettes, minor pest, rabbits, squirrels at distances under 35 yards. Other than more down range energy is the HW77 more accurate in your opinion than the HW50s. I plan on using only Iron receiver/front sights. Any and all comments welcome. OH and if you have a pic of your HW rifle with a receiver sight on it would you mind terribly posting it. Just adds to the enticment and gives me idea's of what to put on it Sight wise.

Thanks everyone.
Art Keys

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<p>Don't overlook a smooth tuned HW95 in .22 cal.   Seems perfect for your applications.</p><p>Here's an HW rear sight set up that I like on my 35</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="HW35L02.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... 3"></a></p>
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March 26th, 2012, 4:47 pm #4

I'm moving out of PCP and into HW springers. For many reasons. I want to have some quality springer history. I want to develop great spring gun marksmanship skills, (Off hand mainly, then sitting and prone). I love the elegant look of a Irons only rifle. Clean, light ready for anything. I no longer need a 50 yard plus PCP rifle since I only shoot my 17 yard / 25 yard ranges at my home. I have wanted a HW 77 for so very long, but can't really justify the added weight over the HW 50. I plan on extended shooting periods with this rifle, like 100 to 200 pellet shooting sessions at a time. I think the 77 would start to weigh in at that kinda shooting. My planned usages are paper punching, metal silhouettes, minor pest, rabbits, squirrels at distances under 35 yards. Other than more down range energy is the HW77 more accurate in your opinion than the HW50s. I plan on using only Iron receiver/front sights. Any and all comments welcome. OH and if you have a pic of your HW rifle with a receiver sight on it would you mind terribly posting it. Just adds to the enticment and gives me idea's of what to put on it Sight wise.

Thanks everyone.
Art Keys

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how its tuned, etc, but I bet there is little difference between the two in accuracy, until you get past 45 yards or so.
One thing you might consider, when you are talking about the "weight" of the rifle you might also consider the "cocking effort" which could likely be more tiring than an extra pound or two, especially when you are talking cocking it 200 times.

I think the HW77 is pushing close to 9 lbs and has around a 35lb cocking effort.

Also for what you are doing it really sounds to me like a FWB 300S would be outstanding, VERY easy to cock, can cock it with one finger, deadly accurate, perfect power between 600-690fps depending on tune for that under 25 yard distance.
If you want the standard spring gun then a FWB 124D is pretty darn hard to beat also.
Cocking effort around 18-20 lbs, weight is about 7 lbs with iron sights and is also deadly accurate and easy shooting for 200+ pellet sessions.

FWB 300S is probably about top O the line as far as "quality springer history" with the FWB 124 close behind.

Of course there are no flies on any HW either.
Again in what you are looking for maybe a HW55 might be slightly more in line?
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March 26th, 2012, 4:53 pm #5

<p>Don't overlook a smooth tuned HW95 in .22 cal.   Seems perfect for your applications.</p><p>Here's an HW rear sight set up that I like on my 35</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="HW35L02.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... 3"></a></p>
That is exactly what I want or had in mind for my springer. I'm gonna go pout now that that rifle made all my rifles look,....well plain!

Thanks Kevin.

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March 26th, 2012, 5:10 pm #6

how its tuned, etc, but I bet there is little difference between the two in accuracy, until you get past 45 yards or so.
One thing you might consider, when you are talking about the "weight" of the rifle you might also consider the "cocking effort" which could likely be more tiring than an extra pound or two, especially when you are talking cocking it 200 times.

I think the HW77 is pushing close to 9 lbs and has around a 35lb cocking effort.

Also for what you are doing it really sounds to me like a FWB 300S would be outstanding, VERY easy to cock, can cock it with one finger, deadly accurate, perfect power between 600-690fps depending on tune for that under 25 yard distance.
If you want the standard spring gun then a FWB 124D is pretty darn hard to beat also.
Cocking effort around 18-20 lbs, weight is about 7 lbs with iron sights and is also deadly accurate and easy shooting for 200+ pellet sessions.

FWB 300S is probably about top O the line as far as "quality springer history" with the FWB 124 close behind.

Of course there are no flies on any HW either.
Again in what you are looking for maybe a HW55 might be slightly more in line?
I should have mentioned that I did find and have a FWB 300. I want this springer in .22 The problem I run into is that it's another 10m .177 rifle again. I'm a 10m addict. I have 5 10m rifles and need another one like I need a hole in the head. The only FWB .22 fitting my requirements is the 127D and those are really rare. I really appreciate your in put, Thank you.

regards Art Keys

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March 26th, 2012, 5:22 pm #7

Art: I certainly can't argue with your thinking. A couple of comments:

The HW77 is, perhaps, on the heavier end of the weight spectrum, but I don't think it is "too heavy." Like most things in life, it's what you're used to. I shoot my '77 rifle off hand, mostly, and I don't feel like the weight is a problem. I suppose that you could always consider the Karbine to save a small amount of weight and 100mm of length.

Be sure that you understand the differences between the '77 and the other HW models. The '77 is an older design (now apparently Mark3). In particular, most of the other HW models incorporate more modern fiber optic iron sights whereas the '77 still features the older black iron sights. Depending upon the condition of your eyes, that may be fine, but it's something to think about. Weihrauch offers replacement FO sights for the HW77, but I don't yet know all details about them (although I have a set on order).

You might at least look at some of the other spring guns on the market. Many folks are happy with other brands and models, for good reasons.

Good luck.
I have looked at the AA Tx200, Pro Sports, Elite and Theoben's. I don't know what to say, I just wanted my first true or real quality springer to conform to traditional springer air rifle architecture. The whole traditional feel and appearance. Please don't take that as me bashing Air Arm, THEY are great rifles, just really would have to postpon getting one another 4 months of waiting and saving. I just had my hart set on a HW, I hope this doesn't come across as rude, it was not my intent.

Best wishes Art Keys.

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March 26th, 2012, 5:27 pm #8

I'm moving out of PCP and into HW springers. For many reasons. I want to have some quality springer history. I want to develop great spring gun marksmanship skills, (Off hand mainly, then sitting and prone). I love the elegant look of a Irons only rifle. Clean, light ready for anything. I no longer need a 50 yard plus PCP rifle since I only shoot my 17 yard / 25 yard ranges at my home. I have wanted a HW 77 for so very long, but can't really justify the added weight over the HW 50. I plan on extended shooting periods with this rifle, like 100 to 200 pellet shooting sessions at a time. I think the 77 would start to weigh in at that kinda shooting. My planned usages are paper punching, metal silhouettes, minor pest, rabbits, squirrels at distances under 35 yards. Other than more down range energy is the HW77 more accurate in your opinion than the HW50s. I plan on using only Iron receiver/front sights. Any and all comments welcome. OH and if you have a pic of your HW rifle with a receiver sight on it would you mind terribly posting it. Just adds to the enticment and gives me idea's of what to put on it Sight wise.

Thanks everyone.
Art Keys

From time to time Everyone should squish some mudd between their toe's!!!!!!
I've had a few,but my love is my R1 Venom Laza Glide in .22











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March 26th, 2012, 5:28 pm #9

I'm moving out of PCP and into HW springers. For many reasons. I want to have some quality springer history. I want to develop great spring gun marksmanship skills, (Off hand mainly, then sitting and prone). I love the elegant look of a Irons only rifle. Clean, light ready for anything. I no longer need a 50 yard plus PCP rifle since I only shoot my 17 yard / 25 yard ranges at my home. I have wanted a HW 77 for so very long, but can't really justify the added weight over the HW 50. I plan on extended shooting periods with this rifle, like 100 to 200 pellet shooting sessions at a time. I think the 77 would start to weigh in at that kinda shooting. My planned usages are paper punching, metal silhouettes, minor pest, rabbits, squirrels at distances under 35 yards. Other than more down range energy is the HW77 more accurate in your opinion than the HW50s. I plan on using only Iron receiver/front sights. Any and all comments welcome. OH and if you have a pic of your HW rifle with a receiver sight on it would you mind terribly posting it. Just adds to the enticment and gives me idea's of what to put on it Sight wise.

Thanks everyone.
Art Keys

From time to time Everyone should squish some mudd between their toe's!!!!!!
it looks very front heavy.

I would go K version, if I were buying.

Looks like something you would keep in a leather gun sling on your saddle....

Nice looking guns, for sure.

Haven't heard too much about them in conjunction with field target....odd. Usually underlevers are choice springers for that.

God bless,

Farmer
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Joined: February 6th, 2011, 3:29 pm

March 26th, 2012, 5:44 pm #10

I'm moving out of PCP and into HW springers. For many reasons. I want to have some quality springer history. I want to develop great spring gun marksmanship skills, (Off hand mainly, then sitting and prone). I love the elegant look of a Irons only rifle. Clean, light ready for anything. I no longer need a 50 yard plus PCP rifle since I only shoot my 17 yard / 25 yard ranges at my home. I have wanted a HW 77 for so very long, but can't really justify the added weight over the HW 50. I plan on extended shooting periods with this rifle, like 100 to 200 pellet shooting sessions at a time. I think the 77 would start to weigh in at that kinda shooting. My planned usages are paper punching, metal silhouettes, minor pest, rabbits, squirrels at distances under 35 yards. Other than more down range energy is the HW77 more accurate in your opinion than the HW50s. I plan on using only Iron receiver/front sights. Any and all comments welcome. OH and if you have a pic of your HW rifle with a receiver sight on it would you mind terribly posting it. Just adds to the enticment and gives me idea's of what to put on it Sight wise.

Thanks everyone.
Art Keys

From time to time Everyone should squish some mudd between their toe's!!!!!!
<p>I love open sight HW's. I have a 35E and a used R7, both have open sights.. Really want to get a 97K and a 95luxas. I think you might consider the 95 also.[/IMG]</p><p> </p>

Jim
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