classic 10m rifle or T200/S200?

classic 10m rifle or T200/S200?

Joined: March 28th, 2010, 12:51 am

July 12th, 2012, 8:24 pm #1

Hi, folks. I think I'd like to procure a counterpoint to the top-heavy, overgrown-scope-having mrod that I use for most of my FT shooting and plinking. Something with iron sights, a good trigger, good ergonomics, and of course great accuracy. Something that I can do a lot of offhand practice with, where I can focus on my technique rather than a spotty chin-weld.

I reckon I could hardly go wrong with a classic 10m rifle like a 300S or LGR. Right?

Then again, maybe it wouldn't hurt to get something light enough for my eight-year-old to shoot. I already have PCP infrastructure, so based on rave reviews around here, maybe the AA T200 would be a good lighter-weight choice? (or an AA S200 or CZ 200S plus target sights)

Any advice on this? I've almost never shot any of these rifles.

Safe assumption that the T200/S200/200S have very good trigger, ergo, and accuracy, but that the classic 10m rifles are better still? Safe assumption that the factory target sights on the old FWBs and Walthers are "better" in some way than the AA/CZ sights?

Sorry if this is a whacky apples/oranges question. I bet the answer is "all the above", so maybe my question is "which should I try first?"

Thanks!

-Jan
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Joined: December 28th, 2006, 10:05 pm

July 12th, 2012, 9:47 pm #2

I can bring it along on Saturday if you want to try it.

ART
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July 12th, 2012, 10:13 pm #3

Hi, folks. I think I'd like to procure a counterpoint to the top-heavy, overgrown-scope-having mrod that I use for most of my FT shooting and plinking. Something with iron sights, a good trigger, good ergonomics, and of course great accuracy. Something that I can do a lot of offhand practice with, where I can focus on my technique rather than a spotty chin-weld.

I reckon I could hardly go wrong with a classic 10m rifle like a 300S or LGR. Right?

Then again, maybe it wouldn't hurt to get something light enough for my eight-year-old to shoot. I already have PCP infrastructure, so based on rave reviews around here, maybe the AA T200 would be a good lighter-weight choice? (or an AA S200 or CZ 200S plus target sights)

Any advice on this? I've almost never shot any of these rifles.

Safe assumption that the T200/S200/200S have very good trigger, ergo, and accuracy, but that the classic 10m rifles are better still? Safe assumption that the factory target sights on the old FWBs and Walthers are "better" in some way than the AA/CZ sights?

Sorry if this is a whacky apples/oranges question. I bet the answer is "all the above", so maybe my question is "which should I try first?"

Thanks!

-Jan
<p>A 10 meter gun vs. a pcp sporter?  I'll try to help.</p><p>I have a CZ 200 and quite a few 10 meter guns.  To answer a few of your questions.</p><p>I did a trigger tune on my CZ 200 and added one of Bob's great trigger shoes.  It's a decent sporting trigger but a long way from a typical 10 meter guns trigger.</p><p>10 meter guns, as you probably know, are heavy for stability and will help your offhand shooting with most guns.  The match sights are a pleasure to use.  A typical 10 meter gun with match sights is at least 9 lbs. and many have lead in the forestock and heavy barrel sleeves to add weight.  Not sure your 8 year old would enjoy shooting these guns except maybe from a bench.  My 9 year old daughter enjoys shooting my CZ 200.  </p><p>Guess the answer to your questions boils down to are you going to buy a gun to improve your offhand shooting or are you going to buy a gun to get your 8 year old interested in shooting airguns.  If it's the latter, I think there are better airguns for an 8 year old than a S200 or T200 or CZ 200.  If it's the former, then you're on track with your idea of buying an FWB 300 or a Walther LGR.  They're wonderful airguns.</p><p>CZ 200</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="CZ200001.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... </p><p>FWB 300 Tyrolean</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="fwb300Tyro71487001.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... </p><p>FWB 300 RT (Running Target)</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="fwbrtwithbnickel03.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... <p>Walther LGR Universal</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="LGRU3.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... 4"></a></p>
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July 12th, 2012, 11:09 pm #4

Hi, folks. I think I'd like to procure a counterpoint to the top-heavy, overgrown-scope-having mrod that I use for most of my FT shooting and plinking. Something with iron sights, a good trigger, good ergonomics, and of course great accuracy. Something that I can do a lot of offhand practice with, where I can focus on my technique rather than a spotty chin-weld.

I reckon I could hardly go wrong with a classic 10m rifle like a 300S or LGR. Right?

Then again, maybe it wouldn't hurt to get something light enough for my eight-year-old to shoot. I already have PCP infrastructure, so based on rave reviews around here, maybe the AA T200 would be a good lighter-weight choice? (or an AA S200 or CZ 200S plus target sights)

Any advice on this? I've almost never shot any of these rifles.

Safe assumption that the T200/S200/200S have very good trigger, ergo, and accuracy, but that the classic 10m rifles are better still? Safe assumption that the factory target sights on the old FWBs and Walthers are "better" in some way than the AA/CZ sights?

Sorry if this is a whacky apples/oranges question. I bet the answer is "all the above", so maybe my question is "which should I try first?"

Thanks!

-Jan
The full size 10m AR is almost 11 pounds.
That is a pretty heavy rifle.
When I shoot mine, I wear a back belt to support my lower back. I do not recommend shooting one offhand w/o a back belt or shooting jacket.
A FWB-300-mini is a slightly lighter rifle at about 9 pounds.

It all depends on what you want.

I would go for a tier-1 10m rifle before a T200.

If you want accuracy, get the Walther LGR (or a FWB-600).
The elimination of moving mass (piston, spring, sledge) makes it much easier to shoot the LGR accurately than a FWB300 or similar spring match rifle.

Although the classic FWB300, Anschutz LG380 and Diana 75 are still very nice rifles to have and shoot.
Even though I have a CA/PCP 10m match rifle, I still enjoy shooting the FWB-300.
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July 14th, 2012, 5:21 am #5

I can bring it along on Saturday if you want to try it.

ART
...IF it's not a hassle to lug down!

See you tomorrow. Sounds like it's gonna be a fun one!

Thanks,
Jan
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Joined: March 28th, 2010, 12:51 am

July 14th, 2012, 5:28 am #6

<p>A 10 meter gun vs. a pcp sporter?  I'll try to help.</p><p>I have a CZ 200 and quite a few 10 meter guns.  To answer a few of your questions.</p><p>I did a trigger tune on my CZ 200 and added one of Bob's great trigger shoes.  It's a decent sporting trigger but a long way from a typical 10 meter guns trigger.</p><p>10 meter guns, as you probably know, are heavy for stability and will help your offhand shooting with most guns.  The match sights are a pleasure to use.  A typical 10 meter gun with match sights is at least 9 lbs. and many have lead in the forestock and heavy barrel sleeves to add weight.  Not sure your 8 year old would enjoy shooting these guns except maybe from a bench.  My 9 year old daughter enjoys shooting my CZ 200.  </p><p>Guess the answer to your questions boils down to are you going to buy a gun to improve your offhand shooting or are you going to buy a gun to get your 8 year old interested in shooting airguns.  If it's the latter, I think there are better airguns for an 8 year old than a S200 or T200 or CZ 200.  If it's the former, then you're on track with your idea of buying an FWB 300 or a Walther LGR.  They're wonderful airguns.</p><p>CZ 200</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="CZ200001.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... </p><p>FWB 300 Tyrolean</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="fwb300Tyro71487001.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... </p><p>FWB 300 RT (Running Target)</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="fwbrtwithbnickel03.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... <p>Walther LGR Universal</p><p><a rel="nofollow"><img alt="LGRU3.jpg" src="http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq16 ... 4"></a></p>
Very helpful advice, and it's ALWAYS a treat to see pics from your stable.

Thanks,
Jan
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Joined: March 28th, 2010, 12:51 am

July 14th, 2012, 5:31 am #7

The full size 10m AR is almost 11 pounds.
That is a pretty heavy rifle.
When I shoot mine, I wear a back belt to support my lower back. I do not recommend shooting one offhand w/o a back belt or shooting jacket.
A FWB-300-mini is a slightly lighter rifle at about 9 pounds.

It all depends on what you want.

I would go for a tier-1 10m rifle before a T200.

If you want accuracy, get the Walther LGR (or a FWB-600).
The elimination of moving mass (piston, spring, sledge) makes it much easier to shoot the LGR accurately than a FWB300 or similar spring match rifle.

Although the classic FWB300, Anschutz LG380 and Diana 75 are still very nice rifles to have and shoot.
Even though I have a CA/PCP 10m match rifle, I still enjoy shooting the FWB-300.
I do lean towards the pneumatics, especially since I'm sure I couldn't resist scoping the thing sooner or later. There are many happily scoped 300S'es out there, but it still seems like a heck of a beating for the poor optics...

Thanks,
Jan
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