Any Lee Enfield guys in here?

Any Lee Enfield guys in here?

Joined: July 9th, 2011, 1:21 am

July 11th, 2012, 4:52 am #1

I've always wanted one, but there are so many marks and mods. Can any of you guys advise me on which would be a.nice one to start with? They are in my top 5 of bolt guns ever, and have wanted one since the first time I handled on when I was 10 or 12. The three rifles I told myself I would get the very first time I went shooting was the Enfield, an FN FAL, and a Winchester 1894. I got the Winny, a pre 64 model in 30-30 and it is absolute beautiful. I can see why so many were made, and why they have an extremely loyal following from anyone who has ever fired one. I have found a friend that has a version of the FAL, an STG 58, and I'm really hoping to have it in my hands in a few weeks. Keep your fingers crossed about my buddy selling it. That just leaves the Enfield. Any info would be really appreciated. Thanks guys.

Chris from LI NY

My name is Chris, and I'm an airgun-oholic
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July 11th, 2012, 6:06 am #2

I've built half a dozen STG-58s from parts kits for friends. I have a cherry one waiting patiently in the basement for the zombie apocalypse. Mine shoots cigarette pack groups at 100 yds with NATO Argentine surplus and factory sights. I got some good deals on this ammo so I stocked up on it. If you have questions on the STG, feel free to contact me. They're pretty simple to work on. DSA has kept them alive with a great amount of aftermarket parts.

As far as the Enfield of choice, I think I'd opt for an Ishapore No. 4 SMLE in 7.62x51. Re-designated as the L8, it was one of the latest offerings and was some of the strongest of the actions. The .308 is cheaper to shoot with more bullet choices. Having an STG-58 would make a good reason to choose an Enfield in .308 too, so they could share ammo. I always wanted a DeLisle carbine.

Don't dismiss the possibility of a 1903-A3 as well. Also battle proven and accurate. The USMC was still using them in Vietnam as sniper rifles. They're starting to get pricey though.

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July 11th, 2012, 7:01 am #3


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July 11th, 2012, 7:15 am #4

I've always wanted one, but there are so many marks and mods. Can any of you guys advise me on which would be a.nice one to start with? They are in my top 5 of bolt guns ever, and have wanted one since the first time I handled on when I was 10 or 12. The three rifles I told myself I would get the very first time I went shooting was the Enfield, an FN FAL, and a Winchester 1894. I got the Winny, a pre 64 model in 30-30 and it is absolute beautiful. I can see why so many were made, and why they have an extremely loyal following from anyone who has ever fired one. I have found a friend that has a version of the FAL, an STG 58, and I'm really hoping to have it in my hands in a few weeks. Keep your fingers crossed about my buddy selling it. That just leaves the Enfield. Any info would be really appreciated. Thanks guys.

Chris from LI NY

My name is Chris, and I'm an airgun-oholic
It was my father's full bore rifle which shot many possibles at 300, 500 and 600 yards with issue ammunition and Central peep sight from the 1930s to about 1960. 8 shots to count with iron sights and Service ammunition on a 7 1/2" bull at 300 yards prone was not to be sneezed at those days.

Last time I shot it was over a sandbag at 409 yards with the peep sight and it put the three shots into a triangle that I could span with my thumb, first and 4th fingers. It was just a few years ago and the ammunition was marked 1944. ... WW 1 rifle made in Lithgow NSW Australia as was the WW 2 ammunition and heavy barrel.

The WW 2 Mk 4 was more favoured as a range rifle in the last years of the .303 Service rifle era here in OZ.

Kind regards, Yrrah.
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July 11th, 2012, 8:26 am #5

I've built half a dozen STG-58s from parts kits for friends. I have a cherry one waiting patiently in the basement for the zombie apocalypse. Mine shoots cigarette pack groups at 100 yds with NATO Argentine surplus and factory sights. I got some good deals on this ammo so I stocked up on it. If you have questions on the STG, feel free to contact me. They're pretty simple to work on. DSA has kept them alive with a great amount of aftermarket parts.

As far as the Enfield of choice, I think I'd opt for an Ishapore No. 4 SMLE in 7.62x51. Re-designated as the L8, it was one of the latest offerings and was some of the strongest of the actions. The .308 is cheaper to shoot with more bullet choices. Having an STG-58 would make a good reason to choose an Enfield in .308 too, so they could share ammo. I always wanted a DeLisle carbine.

Don't dismiss the possibility of a 1903-A3 as well. Also battle proven and accurate. The USMC was still using them in Vietnam as sniper rifles. They're starting to get pricey though.

Regards,


Haywire
The L8, converted to 308 from the 303 No. 4, wasn't to my knowledge done at the Ishapore arsenal. They're somewhat rare and expensive because they were not made in large quantities.

The Ishapore 2A was designed for 308 from the ground up with a stronger receiver, better steel, etc. They can be had for reasonable prices (at least they could ~10 years ago) because they're fairly common.
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July 11th, 2012, 8:34 am #6

I've always wanted one, but there are so many marks and mods. Can any of you guys advise me on which would be a.nice one to start with? They are in my top 5 of bolt guns ever, and have wanted one since the first time I handled on when I was 10 or 12. The three rifles I told myself I would get the very first time I went shooting was the Enfield, an FN FAL, and a Winchester 1894. I got the Winny, a pre 64 model in 30-30 and it is absolute beautiful. I can see why so many were made, and why they have an extremely loyal following from anyone who has ever fired one. I have found a friend that has a version of the FAL, an STG 58, and I'm really hoping to have it in my hands in a few weeks. Keep your fingers crossed about my buddy selling it. That just leaves the Enfield. Any info would be really appreciated. Thanks guys.

Chris from LI NY

My name is Chris, and I'm an airgun-oholic
Cock-on-closing is the way to go, almost don't feel it as your arm's momentum carries
it home. Even the straight-pull Steyr M95 can't match the speed and smoothness of the SMLE.

I have the jungle carbine (1945), it's the least recommended because of the mysterious wandering zero.
(some say it's from lightening cuts on receiver).
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July 11th, 2012, 9:12 am #7

I've always wanted one, but there are so many marks and mods. Can any of you guys advise me on which would be a.nice one to start with? They are in my top 5 of bolt guns ever, and have wanted one since the first time I handled on when I was 10 or 12. The three rifles I told myself I would get the very first time I went shooting was the Enfield, an FN FAL, and a Winchester 1894. I got the Winny, a pre 64 model in 30-30 and it is absolute beautiful. I can see why so many were made, and why they have an extremely loyal following from anyone who has ever fired one. I have found a friend that has a version of the FAL, an STG 58, and I'm really hoping to have it in my hands in a few weeks. Keep your fingers crossed about my buddy selling it. That just leaves the Enfield. Any info would be really appreciated. Thanks guys.

Chris from LI NY

My name is Chris, and I'm an airgun-oholic
...Mk I (or Mk I*) for the best overall design at a reasonable price. There's plenty of info out there as to why this model is a good choice.

I like mine. Can't say as I know exactly how accurate it is because I'm more into my Mausers and other milsurps. Never reloaded 303 because I have a lifetime supply of milsurp ammo.

One you might consider is the No. 5 Mk I "Jungle Carbine." I have one but rarely shoot it because it kicks like a mule (note to self - Sell Jungle Carbine )...

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My favorite is an 1892 Lee-Metford, converted to .22 single shot sometime after WWI. Much more pleasant in the recoil dept...

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July 11th, 2012, 2:30 pm #8

I've always wanted one, but there are so many marks and mods. Can any of you guys advise me on which would be a.nice one to start with? They are in my top 5 of bolt guns ever, and have wanted one since the first time I handled on when I was 10 or 12. The three rifles I told myself I would get the very first time I went shooting was the Enfield, an FN FAL, and a Winchester 1894. I got the Winny, a pre 64 model in 30-30 and it is absolute beautiful. I can see why so many were made, and why they have an extremely loyal following from anyone who has ever fired one. I have found a friend that has a version of the FAL, an STG 58, and I'm really hoping to have it in my hands in a few weeks. Keep your fingers crossed about my buddy selling it. That just leaves the Enfield. Any info would be really appreciated. Thanks guys.

Chris from LI NY

My name is Chris, and I'm an airgun-oholic
Thank you so much for the information guys. I gained.exactly what I needed to, and then some. I have loved the Jungle Carbines since the first time I held one. How bad is this wandering zero and can it be fixed? I would have loved an 03 Springfield but they are just so expensive now. Absolutely fantastic guns. Again, thanks for any info guys, I really appreciate it.

Chris from LI NY

My name is Chris, and I'm an airgun-oholic
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Joined: August 3rd, 2006, 4:53 am

July 11th, 2012, 3:50 pm #9

I've always wanted one, but there are so many marks and mods. Can any of you guys advise me on which would be a.nice one to start with? They are in my top 5 of bolt guns ever, and have wanted one since the first time I handled on when I was 10 or 12. The three rifles I told myself I would get the very first time I went shooting was the Enfield, an FN FAL, and a Winchester 1894. I got the Winny, a pre 64 model in 30-30 and it is absolute beautiful. I can see why so many were made, and why they have an extremely loyal following from anyone who has ever fired one. I have found a friend that has a version of the FAL, an STG 58, and I'm really hoping to have it in my hands in a few weeks. Keep your fingers crossed about my buddy selling it. That just leaves the Enfield. Any info would be really appreciated. Thanks guys.

Chris from LI NY

My name is Chris, and I'm an airgun-oholic
For god sakes get or borrow a set of head-space gauges. Check the rifle before you buy. The Enfield group on gunboards have a loaner set you can request you just have to send in a security check or mo. Most are just this side of safe. Also if you want your brass to last longer than 4 reloads your gonna have to learn this trick to Not have brass stretch ridiculously, or split on first firing due to excess chamber length. Get yourself a package of those very small dental rubber bands for braces at your local med supply store, or go to a dentist. place one around the very base of the rim. what this does is force the rim back against the bolt face when firing in long chambers, worn chambers just short of excessive head-space. I have witnessed case stretch in the .015 range on one firing. The Long Branch Canadian's are really great finds at reasonable price. U.S. property marked rifles are cool but raise the price. You can still find the Arsenal 1950's refit rifle from Maltby or Farhzakly(SP) or Burmingham Small Arms though they are the premium right now and run over 750.00: I'm talking new in Arsenal wrapping paper rifles. Yes Enfield's have nice bolt travel but it's one of those things that get's touted but after a little experience you find that's all they have. There are much more accurate surplus rifles out there and that won't cost you nearly as much to run. You need to do your research to make sure your gettting a true or complete rifle. alot of rifle out there have parts from various design mods that don't go with the rifle. Ishapore's are crap, but very cheap. You find out why if you buy one.

All this being said:

You would be better off buying and better made Swedish Mauser M96, M38, Husky or Swiss K31, or Schmidt & Rubin. FOR WHAT YOU'LL PAY FOR AN ENFIELD you will lose at a match to a cheaper Fin marked / Winter war collected or Fin Mosin Nagant rifle. Walther USA will build you a replacement barrel for Swedish Mauser. They won't for your Enfield.

303 is not that great a round.

From time to time Everyone should squish some mudd between their toe's!!!!!!
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July 11th, 2012, 3:53 pm #10

The L8, converted to 308 from the 303 No. 4, wasn't to my knowledge done at the Ishapore arsenal. They're somewhat rare and expensive because they were not made in large quantities.

The Ishapore 2A was designed for 308 from the ground up with a stronger receiver, better steel, etc. They can be had for reasonable prices (at least they could ~10 years ago) because they're fairly common.
Wasn't the L8 built as a sniper rifle? I guess I combined that with the 308 chambering and things went sour from there. Brits converted No.4s and made L8A- series and Ishapore made the L2A and A1 from scratch.

I was alternating between fine tequila and Apple Pie (the drink) when I posted. Notice the time stamp. I could've Googled first but that's what a sober guy would've done. Who needs Google when you have tequila?

Sincere apologies...



Haywire
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