A note to the match directors/reporters

A note to the match directors/reporters

Joined: December 9th, 2002, 6:05 pm

April 3rd, 2017, 9:45 pm #1

I have absolutely no right or even standing to criticize anyone who has anything at all to do with putting together a match, or reporting results. It's a big job done for love, not money.
I will say, as someone very curious about and interested in field target -- just as in the long-range muzzleloader and black powder cartridge rifle disciplines -- I and others like me get a great deal of pleasure and useful information out of reading match reports that include rifle model, scope model and pellet used.
I realize that for a harried match director doing a thankless job, taking the time to put this detailed information in tabular format and posting it on the internet is just one more complicated burden compared to taking a photo of the winner board and scores, but know there are potential shooters like me who greatly appreciate the equipment lists.
Please do not mistake this as criticism; my thought is just to let you know there are people out there like me who are hungry for this information as a practical guide to learning what gear works.
Thank you for all you do!
Bill Powell
Salem, Oregon
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Joined: June 8th, 2014, 9:45 pm

April 3rd, 2017, 9:50 pm #2

+1 ... nt
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Joined: December 30th, 2008, 6:16 pm

April 4th, 2017, 12:29 am #3

I have absolutely no right or even standing to criticize anyone who has anything at all to do with putting together a match, or reporting results. It's a big job done for love, not money.
I will say, as someone very curious about and interested in field target -- just as in the long-range muzzleloader and black powder cartridge rifle disciplines -- I and others like me get a great deal of pleasure and useful information out of reading match reports that include rifle model, scope model and pellet used.
I realize that for a harried match director doing a thankless job, taking the time to put this detailed information in tabular format and posting it on the internet is just one more complicated burden compared to taking a photo of the winner board and scores, but know there are potential shooters like me who greatly appreciate the equipment lists.
Please do not mistake this as criticism; my thought is just to let you know there are people out there like me who are hungry for this information as a practical guide to learning what gear works.
Thank you for all you do!
Bill Powell
Salem, Oregon
You will find that when the detailed match report is posted here, it will be among the most comprehensive you will ever read.

There's no pleasing everyone. Patience.
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Joined: July 23rd, 2011, 11:51 am

April 4th, 2017, 2:06 pm #4

I have absolutely no right or even standing to criticize anyone who has anything at all to do with putting together a match, or reporting results. It's a big job done for love, not money.
I will say, as someone very curious about and interested in field target -- just as in the long-range muzzleloader and black powder cartridge rifle disciplines -- I and others like me get a great deal of pleasure and useful information out of reading match reports that include rifle model, scope model and pellet used.
I realize that for a harried match director doing a thankless job, taking the time to put this detailed information in tabular format and posting it on the internet is just one more complicated burden compared to taking a photo of the winner board and scores, but know there are potential shooters like me who greatly appreciate the equipment lists.
Please do not mistake this as criticism; my thought is just to let you know there are people out there like me who are hungry for this information as a practical guide to learning what gear works.
Thank you for all you do!
Bill Powell
Salem, Oregon
Fortunately we now have another guy in our group who has taken on the job of the match report. Larry has done a great job for while now. it is a substantial amount of work to compile all of the info and I am happy to hear that some people like to read it all. We try to include equipment and course layout along with target info. Our weak point sometimes is pictures which many times someone else attending our match takes the time to do and posts them. I personally like to see the course layout in pictures rather than shooters in their positions or getting awards but it is all good. It is very interesting to see what others around the country are doing.
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Joined: September 22nd, 2009, 3:12 am

April 6th, 2017, 11:12 am #5

I have absolutely no right or even standing to criticize anyone who has anything at all to do with putting together a match, or reporting results. It's a big job done for love, not money.
I will say, as someone very curious about and interested in field target -- just as in the long-range muzzleloader and black powder cartridge rifle disciplines -- I and others like me get a great deal of pleasure and useful information out of reading match reports that include rifle model, scope model and pellet used.
I realize that for a harried match director doing a thankless job, taking the time to put this detailed information in tabular format and posting it on the internet is just one more complicated burden compared to taking a photo of the winner board and scores, but know there are potential shooters like me who greatly appreciate the equipment lists.
Please do not mistake this as criticism; my thought is just to let you know there are people out there like me who are hungry for this information as a practical guide to learning what gear works.
Thank you for all you do!
Bill Powell
Salem, Oregon
but not every shooter wants his equipment posted on a public forum. nor do they want their picture taken and posted either. sometimes its all about privacy in the day of the inter net. as match directors, it is our responsibility to insure the privacy of individuals at the club or range.

also,
the object of the game is to win the match. not show everyone else how to.

R
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Ronnie Easton
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Joined: June 3rd, 2006, 2:54 am

April 6th, 2017, 4:47 pm #6

....winning a match is a nice aside from the friendly competition and camaraderie that makes up this sport. It is nice to win, but it is not all-encompassing. We are not making big bucks or depending upon this for our livelihood. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy winning as much as the next guy, but I also enjoy seeing someone excel that has done their homework, and practiced to get better.

Sharing what we do and how we do it helps this sport continue to grow. If it were not for the sharing aspect, then why bother writing a match report?

As match directors, reporters, photojournalists, enthusiasts, designated scribe or whatever else folks want to call us, we have a responsibility to our club members, if not all the forum readers, to help them learn the sport to become better shooters. What better way than to relive the match through the eyes and ears of someone who was there, and for the enjoyment and entertainment of the reader.

Other shooters like to see what equipment is being used. Sponsors and manufacturers like to see if their equipment is being used and how well it is being used. Shooters get to know each other, across the country, through the pages of the various forums. It is all good and helps to expand the sport and entice new shooters to want to try this "game".

If all of this secret information is held close to the vest, it will die with us when we die.....and so will the sport. Besides, when new shooters start to edge past our scores, it gives us some incentive to get better ourselves.

Just thought I would offer a slightly different viewpoint.

.....and to Bill in Oregon, thank you for noticing.

Best regards,
Mark Kauffman
Secretary, Airgunners of Arizona Field Target club
www.airgunnersofarizona.org
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Joined: January 1st, 2012, 11:50 pm

April 6th, 2017, 7:06 pm #7

but not every shooter wants his equipment posted on a public forum. nor do they want their picture taken and posted either. sometimes its all about privacy in the day of the inter net. as match directors, it is our responsibility to insure the privacy of individuals at the club or range.

also,
the object of the game is to win the match. not show everyone else how to.

R
Most field target matches are public events. It would be hard for someone to remain anonymous when competing in a public event. But I would redact someones identity and equipment info if they requested it. And personally refrain from taking their pictures.

Here are the results of our last match with all names and equipment removed:

Piston
1 - 48/48
2 - 14/48

Pre-charge
1 - 45/48
1 - 45/48
3 - 43/48
4 - 41/48
4 - 41/48
6 - 40/48
7 - 39/48
8 - 37/48

BORING!
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lhd
Joined: January 9th, 2002, 2:30 am

April 6th, 2017, 8:54 pm #8

Very insightful

Me, I'm kind of in the middle, sometimes waanting to write everything, but generally finding it mostly too diffictult. I like to post the names of competitors but often don't KNOW their last, or sometimes even first names. Powerplant TYPE (spring, or pcp is important), but I don't set much store in the exact model gun, since so few are stock anyhow, but like to know the scope model. I think pellet model and weight are not really very important, unless the barrel type is known, but few mention barrel. I avoid going theu the exercise of posting equipment specifics if the info is unkown for several entrants.

I have always felt it rediculous to compare scores of one mtch against those of another, since about every match is different due to location, weather, and course peculiarities. A guy takes first at his home course and is only midpack at one a few couties away .... but by looking at who was there and recalling the conditions of both, one can know who did what IF they were there!

I'm a poor photo taker, nor can I post them easitly, though I LOVE when others take photo's of matches I hold and post them under my our results.

So, the true emjoyment factor derrived from READING results pales alongside BEING THERE!
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Joined: February 1st, 2013, 1:13 am

April 7th, 2017, 10:19 pm #9

....winning a match is a nice aside from the friendly competition and camaraderie that makes up this sport. It is nice to win, but it is not all-encompassing. We are not making big bucks or depending upon this for our livelihood. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy winning as much as the next guy, but I also enjoy seeing someone excel that has done their homework, and practiced to get better.

Sharing what we do and how we do it helps this sport continue to grow. If it were not for the sharing aspect, then why bother writing a match report?

As match directors, reporters, photojournalists, enthusiasts, designated scribe or whatever else folks want to call us, we have a responsibility to our club members, if not all the forum readers, to help them learn the sport to become better shooters. What better way than to relive the match through the eyes and ears of someone who was there, and for the enjoyment and entertainment of the reader.

Other shooters like to see what equipment is being used. Sponsors and manufacturers like to see if their equipment is being used and how well it is being used. Shooters get to know each other, across the country, through the pages of the various forums. It is all good and helps to expand the sport and entice new shooters to want to try this "game".

If all of this secret information is held close to the vest, it will die with us when we die.....and so will the sport. Besides, when new shooters start to edge past our scores, it gives us some incentive to get better ourselves.

Just thought I would offer a slightly different viewpoint.

.....and to Bill in Oregon, thank you for noticing.

Best regards,
Mark Kauffman
Secretary, Airgunners of Arizona Field Target club
www.airgunnersofarizona.org
+1 Perfectly said. NT
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Joined: September 22nd, 2009, 3:12 am

April 8th, 2017, 1:04 am #10

....winning a match is a nice aside from the friendly competition and camaraderie that makes up this sport. It is nice to win, but it is not all-encompassing. We are not making big bucks or depending upon this for our livelihood. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy winning as much as the next guy, but I also enjoy seeing someone excel that has done their homework, and practiced to get better.

Sharing what we do and how we do it helps this sport continue to grow. If it were not for the sharing aspect, then why bother writing a match report?

As match directors, reporters, photojournalists, enthusiasts, designated scribe or whatever else folks want to call us, we have a responsibility to our club members, if not all the forum readers, to help them learn the sport to become better shooters. What better way than to relive the match through the eyes and ears of someone who was there, and for the enjoyment and entertainment of the reader.

Other shooters like to see what equipment is being used. Sponsors and manufacturers like to see if their equipment is being used and how well it is being used. Shooters get to know each other, across the country, through the pages of the various forums. It is all good and helps to expand the sport and entice new shooters to want to try this "game".

If all of this secret information is held close to the vest, it will die with us when we die.....and so will the sport. Besides, when new shooters start to edge past our scores, it gives us some incentive to get better ourselves.

Just thought I would offer a slightly different viewpoint.

.....and to Bill in Oregon, thank you for noticing.

Best regards,
Mark Kauffman
Secretary, Airgunners of Arizona Field Target club
www.airgunnersofarizona.org
i can rememnber you mentioning privacy in your match reports back when.

spare the lecture though please. helping shooters is all i do. however, i do not remember anyone on this thread helping me when i needed it with my club. i on the other hand have attended each of your clubs and have helped with setting up your courses but got no reciprocation from either of you three.

perhaps you haven't noticed, and if ya did, i haven't herd from you giving praise, but are quick to judge on the slightest thing here on my post. i am running a local Regional Grand Prix for the shooters here in the Sacramento area so they don't have to travel long distances to compete. we give back all the money to the shooters in the way of awards and prizes. i don't see anyone posting here on this thread ever doing that. instead, they keep the profits for their own club

funny how these same people want to pick apart someone who is obviously doing wrll for the air gun community.


have a nice day gents
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Ronnie Easton
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