.25 cal vs .30 cal advantages ? worth the money ?

.25 cal vs .30 cal advantages ? worth the money ?

Joined: November 24th, 2005, 5:48 pm

December 4th, 2012, 8:10 pm #1

I am curious on your thoughts of the new .30 cals vs a high power .25 cal. I am speaking about the new 30 Cal fx boss and the 303 Daystate. My question is with regards to opening up to hunting larger game vs a super High powered .25 cal Air Force condor or Evanix Ar 6. Now the condor shoots about 60 FPE and some other upgraded .25 cals are approaching 60 to 100 FPE. They indicated that the 30 cal FX boss is 78FPE and the Daystate is around 120FPE.

the question comes down to is the FX boss or Daystate worth the extra cash ? The .30 Cals seem very pricey right now.
Does the .30 cal offer any advantage on game ? Coyotes, foxes, coon ?

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Joined: January 30th, 2009, 3:46 am

December 4th, 2012, 8:35 pm #2

I do know that the 30's buck the wind better than a .25
The 30 Leaves a bigger hole in game animals than a .25
I am sure just Like all the modded 25's out there the 30's can also be modded for more power
I had a 65 FPE Condor in .22 befor
Now I have a 50+ FPE Bam 51 in .25 The 25 hits alot harder than the condor did
I can hear the thwack on crows much more pronounced with the 25 at less FPE
Plus I do notice that the 25 drops the crows faster than the 22 did
Personally if I had the coin I would go for the Boss
The wolverine is making more power but it is lacking in shot count and is LOUD
if you could make i back yard friendly I would opt for the Wolverine
The only reason I use air guns is because they are quieter to shoot I dont need ear protection with them and alot of places have opened up to hunting to me due to the low noise of the air guns where I other wise couldnt hunt with a powder burner.
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Joined: September 8th, 2009, 1:53 am

December 4th, 2012, 8:36 pm #3

I am curious on your thoughts of the new .30 cals vs a high power .25 cal. I am speaking about the new 30 Cal fx boss and the 303 Daystate. My question is with regards to opening up to hunting larger game vs a super High powered .25 cal Air Force condor or Evanix Ar 6. Now the condor shoots about 60 FPE and some other upgraded .25 cals are approaching 60 to 100 FPE. They indicated that the 30 cal FX boss is 78FPE and the Daystate is around 120FPE.

the question comes down to is the FX boss or Daystate worth the extra cash ? The .30 Cals seem very pricey right now.
Does the .30 cal offer any advantage on game ? Coyotes, foxes, coon ?

Thanks,


Therefore, you might want to wait so you don't have to pay the "early adopter premium". I'm sure the Koreans are gonna come out with something sooner rather than later in the .30 caliber category...they're notoriously power hungry.

I'd go for .30 caliber. There is a saying that goes "if you jump, you'd best jump far". 30 caliber has ~44% greater frontal area compared to .25, so it should deliver much more energy up front. Sure, you can overdrive a heavy Korean .25 caliber slug, and the math will tell you they carry the same energy, but the way they deliver it will be quite different. Also, .25 caliber has always seemed notoriously finicky to me.

There's always gonna be detractors who will need to assert absurdities like ".30 caliber isn't really big bore" because they have to feel reassured in all the money they tied up in their low production 1 or 2 shot large caliber guns, and hand cast slugs. But a .30 caliber that can deliver 10-40 shots in the field before refilling just sounds much more inline with what airgunning is, and just more fun all around. If you want to hunt big game, you probably need to stick with a firearm.

You asked for opinions. That's mine.
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December 4th, 2012, 9:04 pm #4

I am curious on your thoughts of the new .30 cals vs a high power .25 cal. I am speaking about the new 30 Cal fx boss and the 303 Daystate. My question is with regards to opening up to hunting larger game vs a super High powered .25 cal Air Force condor or Evanix Ar 6. Now the condor shoots about 60 FPE and some other upgraded .25 cals are approaching 60 to 100 FPE. They indicated that the 30 cal FX boss is 78FPE and the Daystate is around 120FPE.

the question comes down to is the FX boss or Daystate worth the extra cash ? The .30 Cals seem very pricey right now.
Does the .30 cal offer any advantage on game ? Coyotes, foxes, coon ?

Thanks,


nice arent worth the money. But that's just me.

If you want a big bore and you want power, you can buy a true 308 from makers right here in the states and they cost less.

But 25 vs 303/308 with both shooting pellets at 70-100 FPE, the only difference is the size of the entrance and exit hole it makes.

But for me to be fair, Daystate and FX never claimed their guns would be power kings. Its simply something DIFFERENT and probably more refined than the Airforce guns. And refinement in the airgun world comes with a higher price tag.

At that level, its all about bores that shoot bullets. Like my TD257 at 135 FPE!
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Joined: October 26th, 2012, 5:19 pm

December 4th, 2012, 9:11 pm #5

I am curious on your thoughts of the new .30 cals vs a high power .25 cal. I am speaking about the new 30 Cal fx boss and the 303 Daystate. My question is with regards to opening up to hunting larger game vs a super High powered .25 cal Air Force condor or Evanix Ar 6. Now the condor shoots about 60 FPE and some other upgraded .25 cals are approaching 60 to 100 FPE. They indicated that the 30 cal FX boss is 78FPE and the Daystate is around 120FPE.

the question comes down to is the FX boss or Daystate worth the extra cash ? The .30 Cals seem very pricey right now.
Does the .30 cal offer any advantage on game ? Coyotes, foxes, coon ?

Thanks,


If your wanting to hunt nothing larger than large hog then I'd say 30 cal is a wast of time. Unless you plan to hunt big game and even then a .45 would be better choice than .30. Plenty of videos on youtube documenting .25 cal effectiveness against medium size game. It's all about shot placement if you unsure of your ability to place the shot right were it needs to be then go with the larger caliber.

Here's one example and this guy isn't even shooting pcp

http://youtu.be/9bvbuleLGxI
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Joined: August 22nd, 2001, 3:27 pm

December 4th, 2012, 9:18 pm #6

I am curious on your thoughts of the new .30 cals vs a high power .25 cal. I am speaking about the new 30 Cal fx boss and the 303 Daystate. My question is with regards to opening up to hunting larger game vs a super High powered .25 cal Air Force condor or Evanix Ar 6. Now the condor shoots about 60 FPE and some other upgraded .25 cals are approaching 60 to 100 FPE. They indicated that the 30 cal FX boss is 78FPE and the Daystate is around 120FPE.

the question comes down to is the FX boss or Daystate worth the extra cash ? The .30 Cals seem very pricey right now.
Does the .30 cal offer any advantage on game ? Coyotes, foxes, coon ?

Thanks,


up to .30 is good, beyond .30 effcieny in "airguns" falls as you go up in cal. hth.
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December 4th, 2012, 9:34 pm #7

I am curious on your thoughts of the new .30 cals vs a high power .25 cal. I am speaking about the new 30 Cal fx boss and the 303 Daystate. My question is with regards to opening up to hunting larger game vs a super High powered .25 cal Air Force condor or Evanix Ar 6. Now the condor shoots about 60 FPE and some other upgraded .25 cals are approaching 60 to 100 FPE. They indicated that the 30 cal FX boss is 78FPE and the Daystate is around 120FPE.

the question comes down to is the FX boss or Daystate worth the extra cash ? The .30 Cals seem very pricey right now.
Does the .30 cal offer any advantage on game ? Coyotes, foxes, coon ?

Thanks,


In the not to distant past, there were plenty of folks right here on this forum debating whether the .25 was a good choice over a high powered .22. People complained about the cost of the .25 pellet in comparison to the scores of good quality .22 pellets available, etc. The debate went on for a LONG time. Do a search on caliber choice, and it may surprise you at how recently the .25 was thought to be a silly caliber. It wasn't until recently (in airgun terms)that the .25 has really caught on. VERY popular caliber right now, and there are more choices in that caliber today than ever.

So, now there are some larger bore choices to make... Crosman popped out the Rogue, and you can dis it all you want, but it is a larger caliber air rifle that is readily available. Daystate brings out the Wolverine, and now FX the Boss. An advantage over a .25? Is a .25 pellet an advantage over a .22? With just the advantage in cross section of the head, I say it is.

I think one thing that is really getting over looked is that with the larger factories now looking at increasing bore diameter, some real life development will now start taking place with these larger bores. OK, so the Wolverine will only do a dozen shots per fill, but the FX will do 35 or better. Name another big bore (larger than .25) that will do that. I sure can't think of one. And, this is just the very beginning.

Ced, I hear ya about your TalonDor... But how many shots that thing get off a full 500cc bottle? 5?, maybe 10? Yes, enough for hunting, I get that. But imagine getting 20 or more at that same power level... or more. The FX putting out 75-78ft/lbs is king in power output + shot count out in the market today. I can't even think of anything that comes close. Couple that with the accuracy potential the gun has shown not only by winning the Extreme Bench Rest shoot in AZ, but also in the very capable hands of Flintsack., and others.

Eating, sleeping, and breathing airguns, I for one am more than excited to have the .30 on the playing feild, and look forward to seeing what the future brings with it. IF I didn't have every nickle I have tied up in trying to do production, you bet your a$$ I'd have a Boss sitting right next to me at this very moment.

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DaveG
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Joined: February 2nd, 2005, 5:57 pm

December 4th, 2012, 10:08 pm #8

I am curious on your thoughts of the new .30 cals vs a high power .25 cal. I am speaking about the new 30 Cal fx boss and the 303 Daystate. My question is with regards to opening up to hunting larger game vs a super High powered .25 cal Air Force condor or Evanix Ar 6. Now the condor shoots about 60 FPE and some other upgraded .25 cals are approaching 60 to 100 FPE. They indicated that the 30 cal FX boss is 78FPE and the Daystate is around 120FPE.

the question comes down to is the FX boss or Daystate worth the extra cash ? The .30 Cals seem very pricey right now.
Does the .30 cal offer any advantage on game ? Coyotes, foxes, coon ?

Thanks,


I would go with the new Boss.... .30 cal seems to be Very very accurate at dist (maybe just the mass?) and .30 even at the @ same FPE with ever larger Dia...would probably exhibit slightly bigger impact because of said dia..
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Joined: February 2nd, 2005, 5:57 pm

December 4th, 2012, 10:14 pm #9

If your wanting to hunt nothing larger than large hog then I'd say 30 cal is a wast of time. Unless you plan to hunt big game and even then a .45 would be better choice than .30. Plenty of videos on youtube documenting .25 cal effectiveness against medium size game. It's all about shot placement if you unsure of your ability to place the shot right were it needs to be then go with the larger caliber.

Here's one example and this guy isn't even shooting pcp

http://youtu.be/9bvbuleLGxI
Larger projectile at the same given FPE/FPS. In hunting when you must take a fairly quick shot, and both have the same accuracy I would go with the .30 cal. Shot Placement becomes highly critical in 177 cal.
I would rather hit the game with one .30 cal and feel more assured if I only get one hit it is with the most affect. On the other hand "Shot Placement is VERY critical in Paper Punching. little un-clear on your comment "waste of time" seems it takes the same time to shoot. Might be a "waste" of money for the extra lead.
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December 4th, 2012, 10:15 pm #10

In the not to distant past, there were plenty of folks right here on this forum debating whether the .25 was a good choice over a high powered .22. People complained about the cost of the .25 pellet in comparison to the scores of good quality .22 pellets available, etc. The debate went on for a LONG time. Do a search on caliber choice, and it may surprise you at how recently the .25 was thought to be a silly caliber. It wasn't until recently (in airgun terms)that the .25 has really caught on. VERY popular caliber right now, and there are more choices in that caliber today than ever.

So, now there are some larger bore choices to make... Crosman popped out the Rogue, and you can dis it all you want, but it is a larger caliber air rifle that is readily available. Daystate brings out the Wolverine, and now FX the Boss. An advantage over a .25? Is a .25 pellet an advantage over a .22? With just the advantage in cross section of the head, I say it is.

I think one thing that is really getting over looked is that with the larger factories now looking at increasing bore diameter, some real life development will now start taking place with these larger bores. OK, so the Wolverine will only do a dozen shots per fill, but the FX will do 35 or better. Name another big bore (larger than .25) that will do that. I sure can't think of one. And, this is just the very beginning.

Ced, I hear ya about your TalonDor... But how many shots that thing get off a full 500cc bottle? 5?, maybe 10? Yes, enough for hunting, I get that. But imagine getting 20 or more at that same power level... or more. The FX putting out 75-78ft/lbs is king in power output + shot count out in the market today. I can't even think of anything that comes close. Couple that with the accuracy potential the gun has shown not only by winning the Extreme Bench Rest shoot in AZ, but also in the very capable hands of Flintsack., and others.

Eating, sleeping, and breathing airguns, I for one am more than excited to have the .30 on the playing feild, and look forward to seeing what the future brings with it. IF I didn't have every nickle I have tied up in trying to do production, you bet your a$$ I'd have a Boss sitting right next to me at this very moment.

Regards,
DaveG
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Thank you for your input Dave. I like the fact that you cover pretty much all aspect of the .25 VS .30.

I have fund put aside for a new AG. I have a choice between the Boss, Wolverine and the "engineering marvel" Metisse. I do not shoot FT so the Metisse is out the window. I liked everything about the Wolverine except the shoot count and the noise level. With being said, the Boss has 3x shoot count and a little batter in the noise department.

I voted for the Boss and hope to have it by christmas,

John
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