wheel alignment - toe-in

wheel alignment - toe-in

Duncan
Duncan

August 26th, 2008, 11:29 pm #1

I've noticed my toe-in must be out, becuase my tires are wearing on the inside - one side more than the other, but both wearing.

Anyway tried the 'string alignment method' and trying to get wheels centered and measuring the toe from the rim I'm finding really difficult to do.

Read in an old ford manual an alternate method and wondered if this would work

These are the steps....

1. make a gauge - basicaly a pole which is slightly less than the width between the two front inner tire rims. One end of the pole must have a screw 'in and out' for fine adjustment
2. center the road wheels ( this stage could be a bit of a pain)
3. mark a point on both inner tire rims at axle height at the front of the inner tire rims.
4. Place the gauge between the inner tire rims on one of the two marks. Screw out the last bit of the gauge until it touches the other mark.
5 Using a tape measure, measure the length of the gauge from the base to the amount you have screwed the gauge out (i.e. measure the total length)
6. Rotate the road wheels 180 degrees so that the marks are now at the back of the car (i.e. push the car backwards .
7. Use the gauge and do the same as step 4 and step 5.
8. compare the two measurements - if the toe-in is out of tolerance then loosen both lock nuts and adust the control arms equally - so that the toe-in is equal both sides.
9. Remeasure to ensure the toe-in is now correct


Does this method sound as though it will work or am I missing something?

Regards


Duncan
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August 26th, 2008, 11:40 pm #2

3. mark a point on both inner tire rims at axle height at the front of the inner tire rims.
4. Place the gauge between the inner tire rims on one of the two marks. Screw out the last bit of the gauge until it touches the other mark.


This won't work on an X1/9 because the chassis will be in the way of the gauge.


There is a far easier method. I use "toe plates".

http://www.saferacer.com/longacre-toe-p ... ductid=486

You can easily make your own using a couple of pieces of flat sheet metal, or even a flat piece of wood or masonite. It needs to be tall enough to lay flat against the side of the tire.


Steve
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Joined: May 5th, 2001, 4:29 pm

August 27th, 2008, 5:24 am #3

I've noticed my toe-in must be out, becuase my tires are wearing on the inside - one side more than the other, but both wearing.

Anyway tried the 'string alignment method' and trying to get wheels centered and measuring the toe from the rim I'm finding really difficult to do.

Read in an old ford manual an alternate method and wondered if this would work

These are the steps....

1. make a gauge - basicaly a pole which is slightly less than the width between the two front inner tire rims. One end of the pole must have a screw 'in and out' for fine adjustment
2. center the road wheels ( this stage could be a bit of a pain)
3. mark a point on both inner tire rims at axle height at the front of the inner tire rims.
4. Place the gauge between the inner tire rims on one of the two marks. Screw out the last bit of the gauge until it touches the other mark.
5 Using a tape measure, measure the length of the gauge from the base to the amount you have screwed the gauge out (i.e. measure the total length)
6. Rotate the road wheels 180 degrees so that the marks are now at the back of the car (i.e. push the car backwards .
7. Use the gauge and do the same as step 4 and step 5.
8. compare the two measurements - if the toe-in is out of tolerance then loosen both lock nuts and adust the control arms equally - so that the toe-in is equal both sides.
9. Remeasure to ensure the toe-in is now correct


Does this method sound as though it will work or am I missing something?

Regards


Duncan



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August 27th, 2008, 8:20 am #4



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August 27th, 2008, 8:24 am #5

I've noticed my toe-in must be out, becuase my tires are wearing on the inside - one side more than the other, but both wearing.

Anyway tried the 'string alignment method' and trying to get wheels centered and measuring the toe from the rim I'm finding really difficult to do.

Read in an old ford manual an alternate method and wondered if this would work

These are the steps....

1. make a gauge - basicaly a pole which is slightly less than the width between the two front inner tire rims. One end of the pole must have a screw 'in and out' for fine adjustment
2. center the road wheels ( this stage could be a bit of a pain)
3. mark a point on both inner tire rims at axle height at the front of the inner tire rims.
4. Place the gauge between the inner tire rims on one of the two marks. Screw out the last bit of the gauge until it touches the other mark.
5 Using a tape measure, measure the length of the gauge from the base to the amount you have screwed the gauge out (i.e. measure the total length)
6. Rotate the road wheels 180 degrees so that the marks are now at the back of the car (i.e. push the car backwards .
7. Use the gauge and do the same as step 4 and step 5.
8. compare the two measurements - if the toe-in is out of tolerance then loosen both lock nuts and adust the control arms equally - so that the toe-in is equal both sides.
9. Remeasure to ensure the toe-in is now correct


Does this method sound as though it will work or am I missing something?

Regards


Duncan
I possibly need to re-write it, but its worked great for me.

As Steve said, the toe-in bar is even more difficult to use on this car.

Try the plates, or have it professionally aligned.&nbsp; Good luck.


My best,



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Duncan
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August 27th, 2008, 9:37 pm #6

Toe-plates sound a cool idea. Tony I'm just bad at measuring.

Regards


Duncan
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August 28th, 2008, 1:13 am #7

... a pro do it.&nbsp; Do call around and and query as to who is familar with the specs and the methods...

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