Turbo's big adventure

Turbo's big adventure

Joined: August 6th, 2005, 6:03 pm

May 24th, 2008, 6:20 pm #1


I got the tires balanced last night, that helped the shimmy shimmy shake a bit. Then to get fancy, I checked the pressure in the tires. 18 and 22 PSI in the fronts (175 series BFG T/As), and 35 and 44 PSI in the rears (185 series cooper M&S). Tire choice may not have been ideal here, but since they were free and round they would serve the purpose. Once I got the air pressure reasonable it drove much better.

Took it for the state inspection today, about an hour's drive from home. I was a little anxious about the duration and distance since the engine has so few miles on it.

Due to my paranoia, I drove it quite gingerly to the inspection station. Just to play it safe, I didn't even let it boost at all on the ride in.

About 8 miles down the road, the rad fans kicked in. Even though they have a low 160°F/72°C setpoint, this was the first time that they have come on. As the drive continued on open roads, the gauge crept up.... Up to 190 and the fans haven't shut yet. Voltmeter is pointing low due to the load of both fans spinning for so long. I'm starting to wonder what is going on here... The temperature is at about 220 when I pull into the inspection station and the fans have been spinning for about 40 minutes with no apparent effect.

I stick my nose up to the radiator, and notice there is plenty of hot air - blowing FORWARD. Oh noes I think the fans are spinning in the wrong direction. That sure would explain it!!

After waiting for the inspection, and passing (yay) I disconnected the thermoswitch in the rad. This way, the fans wouldnt come on my themself, but I could control the override switch inside. If I was stopped in trafic, it would be no big deal to run the fans. Moving though, the fans would do more harm than good.

So I set off on the ride home. I didn't turn the fans on at all, and the temp stayed right at 195-200. Once I got closer to home - within pushing distance - I got a little more agressive and had some fun with the skinny pedal. Floored, Boosted, uphill, the gauge managed to hit 210. My smile managed to hit both ears as the rear end broke loose in 4th.

This turbo seems to be a pretty sweet match. I really need to get used to this chassis before pushing it too hard, but having 100++ HP does make one heck of a difference.

The exhaust is rather quiet and is muted by engine noise. I was surprised at the results there since the muffler is straight through. My hope was for a very quiet interior and that seems to be the case. Cruising along with windows up and the top in place, it was just the whir of the engine.

Only drawback to the turbo?? it makes all of the gears appear to be pretty short !

So now that she's legal, I need to tweak the fan wiring, put some emblems on the hood and trunk, set the toe in, and hit a dyno to complete this round of the project.


MMmmmmmmmmmm satisfaction!






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Joined: September 10th, 2007, 8:05 pm

May 24th, 2008, 7:43 pm #2

on passing the test,it must feel great to be able to drive your x when you feel the mood. I`ve yet to experience this as I`m not yet finished with mine. Hopefully weds next week will be D-day for mine. Have you installed a uno-tubo engine or just added a turbo?
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htf
Joined: May 5th, 2001, 4:29 pm

May 24th, 2008, 8:17 pm #3

I got the tires balanced last night, that helped the shimmy shimmy shake a bit. Then to get fancy, I checked the pressure in the tires. 18 and 22 PSI in the fronts (175 series BFG T/As), and 35 and 44 PSI in the rears (185 series cooper M&S). Tire choice may not have been ideal here, but since they were free and round they would serve the purpose. Once I got the air pressure reasonable it drove much better.

Took it for the state inspection today, about an hour's drive from home. I was a little anxious about the duration and distance since the engine has so few miles on it.

Due to my paranoia, I drove it quite gingerly to the inspection station. Just to play it safe, I didn't even let it boost at all on the ride in.

About 8 miles down the road, the rad fans kicked in. Even though they have a low 160°F/72°C setpoint, this was the first time that they have come on. As the drive continued on open roads, the gauge crept up.... Up to 190 and the fans haven't shut yet. Voltmeter is pointing low due to the load of both fans spinning for so long. I'm starting to wonder what is going on here... The temperature is at about 220 when I pull into the inspection station and the fans have been spinning for about 40 minutes with no apparent effect.

I stick my nose up to the radiator, and notice there is plenty of hot air - blowing FORWARD. Oh noes I think the fans are spinning in the wrong direction. That sure would explain it!!

After waiting for the inspection, and passing (yay) I disconnected the thermoswitch in the rad. This way, the fans wouldnt come on my themself, but I could control the override switch inside. If I was stopped in trafic, it would be no big deal to run the fans. Moving though, the fans would do more harm than good.

So I set off on the ride home. I didn't turn the fans on at all, and the temp stayed right at 195-200. Once I got closer to home - within pushing distance - I got a little more agressive and had some fun with the skinny pedal. Floored, Boosted, uphill, the gauge managed to hit 210. My smile managed to hit both ears as the rear end broke loose in 4th.

This turbo seems to be a pretty sweet match. I really need to get used to this chassis before pushing it too hard, but having 100++ HP does make one heck of a difference.

The exhaust is rather quiet and is muted by engine noise. I was surprised at the results there since the muffler is straight through. My hope was for a very quiet interior and that seems to be the case. Cruising along with windows up and the top in place, it was just the whir of the engine.

Only drawback to the turbo?? it makes all of the gears appear to be pretty short !

So now that she's legal, I need to tweak the fan wiring, put some emblems on the hood and trunk, set the toe in, and hit a dyno to complete this round of the project.


MMmmmmmmmmmm satisfaction!






From the glass lined tanks of old Bertone
Not much of a turbo man myself I still enjoyed following your project to success.
You must have quite a bit more then 100 horses there to spinn rubber in 4th gear.
Anyhow, conratulations (Mazal-tov) from the other side of the world.


HaXD
Herzel, in Israel

WhiteX
The late Green '85 X1/9
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Joined: December 21st, 2004, 3:04 am

May 24th, 2008, 8:47 pm #4

I got the tires balanced last night, that helped the shimmy shimmy shake a bit. Then to get fancy, I checked the pressure in the tires. 18 and 22 PSI in the fronts (175 series BFG T/As), and 35 and 44 PSI in the rears (185 series cooper M&S). Tire choice may not have been ideal here, but since they were free and round they would serve the purpose. Once I got the air pressure reasonable it drove much better.

Took it for the state inspection today, about an hour's drive from home. I was a little anxious about the duration and distance since the engine has so few miles on it.

Due to my paranoia, I drove it quite gingerly to the inspection station. Just to play it safe, I didn't even let it boost at all on the ride in.

About 8 miles down the road, the rad fans kicked in. Even though they have a low 160°F/72°C setpoint, this was the first time that they have come on. As the drive continued on open roads, the gauge crept up.... Up to 190 and the fans haven't shut yet. Voltmeter is pointing low due to the load of both fans spinning for so long. I'm starting to wonder what is going on here... The temperature is at about 220 when I pull into the inspection station and the fans have been spinning for about 40 minutes with no apparent effect.

I stick my nose up to the radiator, and notice there is plenty of hot air - blowing FORWARD. Oh noes I think the fans are spinning in the wrong direction. That sure would explain it!!

After waiting for the inspection, and passing (yay) I disconnected the thermoswitch in the rad. This way, the fans wouldnt come on my themself, but I could control the override switch inside. If I was stopped in trafic, it would be no big deal to run the fans. Moving though, the fans would do more harm than good.

So I set off on the ride home. I didn't turn the fans on at all, and the temp stayed right at 195-200. Once I got closer to home - within pushing distance - I got a little more agressive and had some fun with the skinny pedal. Floored, Boosted, uphill, the gauge managed to hit 210. My smile managed to hit both ears as the rear end broke loose in 4th.

This turbo seems to be a pretty sweet match. I really need to get used to this chassis before pushing it too hard, but having 100++ HP does make one heck of a difference.

The exhaust is rather quiet and is muted by engine noise. I was surprised at the results there since the muffler is straight through. My hope was for a very quiet interior and that seems to be the case. Cruising along with windows up and the top in place, it was just the whir of the engine.

Only drawback to the turbo?? it makes all of the gears appear to be pretty short !

So now that she's legal, I need to tweak the fan wiring, put some emblems on the hood and trunk, set the toe in, and hit a dyno to complete this round of the project.


MMmmmmmmmmmm satisfaction!






From the glass lined tanks of old Bertone
... but... I'm wondering why you are running such a low operating switch (160) anyway.  I doubt if the system could ever keep it that low, and also... the engine's operating temp generally performs best at 180 - 190.

Just thought of something else... are you sure the radiator is mounted CORRECTLY.&nbsp; It will go up into the top mounts, <STRONG>or,</STRONG> on either side of them... and unless its centered correctly, the airflow will not be optimum and you'l run 15 -20 degrees hotter.&nbsp; Guess how I learned that one...

Test by feeling/looking to see the bleed screw is centered in its access hole on the upper-left side of the radiator pod.

Hey... keep us posted and send more FOTOS!


My best,



Tony
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May 24th, 2008, 9:10 pm #5

I got the tires balanced last night, that helped the shimmy shimmy shake a bit. Then to get fancy, I checked the pressure in the tires. 18 and 22 PSI in the fronts (175 series BFG T/As), and 35 and 44 PSI in the rears (185 series cooper M&S). Tire choice may not have been ideal here, but since they were free and round they would serve the purpose. Once I got the air pressure reasonable it drove much better.

Took it for the state inspection today, about an hour's drive from home. I was a little anxious about the duration and distance since the engine has so few miles on it.

Due to my paranoia, I drove it quite gingerly to the inspection station. Just to play it safe, I didn't even let it boost at all on the ride in.

About 8 miles down the road, the rad fans kicked in. Even though they have a low 160°F/72°C setpoint, this was the first time that they have come on. As the drive continued on open roads, the gauge crept up.... Up to 190 and the fans haven't shut yet. Voltmeter is pointing low due to the load of both fans spinning for so long. I'm starting to wonder what is going on here... The temperature is at about 220 when I pull into the inspection station and the fans have been spinning for about 40 minutes with no apparent effect.

I stick my nose up to the radiator, and notice there is plenty of hot air - blowing FORWARD. Oh noes I think the fans are spinning in the wrong direction. That sure would explain it!!

After waiting for the inspection, and passing (yay) I disconnected the thermoswitch in the rad. This way, the fans wouldnt come on my themself, but I could control the override switch inside. If I was stopped in trafic, it would be no big deal to run the fans. Moving though, the fans would do more harm than good.

So I set off on the ride home. I didn't turn the fans on at all, and the temp stayed right at 195-200. Once I got closer to home - within pushing distance - I got a little more agressive and had some fun with the skinny pedal. Floored, Boosted, uphill, the gauge managed to hit 210. My smile managed to hit both ears as the rear end broke loose in 4th.

This turbo seems to be a pretty sweet match. I really need to get used to this chassis before pushing it too hard, but having 100++ HP does make one heck of a difference.

The exhaust is rather quiet and is muted by engine noise. I was surprised at the results there since the muffler is straight through. My hope was for a very quiet interior and that seems to be the case. Cruising along with windows up and the top in place, it was just the whir of the engine.

Only drawback to the turbo?? it makes all of the gears appear to be pretty short !

So now that she's legal, I need to tweak the fan wiring, put some emblems on the hood and trunk, set the toe in, and hit a dyno to complete this round of the project.


MMmmmmmmmmmm satisfaction!






From the glass lined tanks of old Bertone
Great to hear it!

We need a Damonfg Turbo kit in Toy Stores by Christmas.

E
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May 25th, 2008, 1:01 am #6

Not much of a turbo man myself I still enjoyed following your project to success.
You must have quite a bit more then 100 horses there to spinn rubber in 4th gear.
Anyhow, conratulations (Mazal-tov) from the other side of the world.


HaXD
Herzel, in Israel

WhiteX
The late Green '85 X1/9


My last X was cams and carbs, this turbo is just somethin' different, and the next one will be a 12- or 16- valve stroker.

Power numbers are still a little uncertain- I am not sure what the base non-turbo HP is.

Thank you most kindly!

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Joined: August 6th, 2005, 6:03 pm

May 25th, 2008, 1:11 am #7

Great to hear it!

We need a Damonfg Turbo kit in Toy Stores by Christmas.

E
That will give you 6 months to get a printing press and start cranking out sheets of $100s

Seriously though I could build more, 99% of the parts required with were done on CNCs and I have a full set of drawings and 3d models. My original intent was to try and put together a bolt on conversion. But, everything could have been a little better with a few changes here and there. By the time it was all said and done, the list of off the shelf parts was incredibly brief, just one V-belt and one cog belt. Of course those are the parts likely to wear, and the hard parts should last forever.



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Joined: August 6th, 2005, 6:03 pm

May 25th, 2008, 1:15 am #8

on passing the test,it must feel great to be able to drive your x when you feel the mood. I`ve yet to experience this as I`m not yet finished with mine. Hopefully weds next week will be D-day for mine. Have you installed a uno-tubo engine or just added a turbo?
Only a week away? Sounds like the end is in sight! Keep us all posted!

My turbo was not an uno, it was an attempt to bolt one on. Stock 1500 block, modified 1500 head, and lots and lots of extra plumbing.

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May 25th, 2008, 1:31 am #9

... but... I'm wondering why you are running such a low operating switch (160) anyway.&nbsp; I doubt if the system could ever keep it that low, and also... the engine's operating temp generally performs best at 180 - 190.

Just thought of something else... are you sure the radiator is mounted CORRECTLY.&nbsp; It will go up into the top mounts, <STRONG>or,</STRONG> on either side of them... and unless its centered correctly, the airflow will not be optimum and you'l run 15 -20 degrees hotter.&nbsp; Guess how I learned that one...

Test by feeling/looking to see the bleed screw is centered in its access hole on the upper-left side of the radiator pod.

Hey... keep us posted and send more FOTOS!


My best,



Tony
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I figured why not try and keep it cool to offset the load of the turbo. I may have to bump that up a notch to the 180 switch. The 160° switch may be too close to the 155° t-stat.

Now that I have the fans fixed, I'll try again and see how well it maintains. Rad was mounted properly, and I neglected to even bleed it out - maybe tomorrow. No front spoiler on there at the moment.
I rewired the darned fans twice and they were wrong both times. Silly me bought premade connectors to mate with the fans. The two premade connectors were wired opposite! If I wired red to red and white to white one fan would always spin backwards. All set now though

Photos.... Havent taken any in a while. I'll stop slacking and drop the shutter a few times!

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May 25th, 2008, 1:44 am #10

I got the tires balanced last night, that helped the shimmy shimmy shake a bit. Then to get fancy, I checked the pressure in the tires. 18 and 22 PSI in the fronts (175 series BFG T/As), and 35 and 44 PSI in the rears (185 series cooper M&S). Tire choice may not have been ideal here, but since they were free and round they would serve the purpose. Once I got the air pressure reasonable it drove much better.

Took it for the state inspection today, about an hour's drive from home. I was a little anxious about the duration and distance since the engine has so few miles on it.

Due to my paranoia, I drove it quite gingerly to the inspection station. Just to play it safe, I didn't even let it boost at all on the ride in.

About 8 miles down the road, the rad fans kicked in. Even though they have a low 160°F/72°C setpoint, this was the first time that they have come on. As the drive continued on open roads, the gauge crept up.... Up to 190 and the fans haven't shut yet. Voltmeter is pointing low due to the load of both fans spinning for so long. I'm starting to wonder what is going on here... The temperature is at about 220 when I pull into the inspection station and the fans have been spinning for about 40 minutes with no apparent effect.

I stick my nose up to the radiator, and notice there is plenty of hot air - blowing FORWARD. Oh noes I think the fans are spinning in the wrong direction. That sure would explain it!!

After waiting for the inspection, and passing (yay) I disconnected the thermoswitch in the rad. This way, the fans wouldnt come on my themself, but I could control the override switch inside. If I was stopped in trafic, it would be no big deal to run the fans. Moving though, the fans would do more harm than good.

So I set off on the ride home. I didn't turn the fans on at all, and the temp stayed right at 195-200. Once I got closer to home - within pushing distance - I got a little more agressive and had some fun with the skinny pedal. Floored, Boosted, uphill, the gauge managed to hit 210. My smile managed to hit both ears as the rear end broke loose in 4th.

This turbo seems to be a pretty sweet match. I really need to get used to this chassis before pushing it too hard, but having 100++ HP does make one heck of a difference.

The exhaust is rather quiet and is muted by engine noise. I was surprised at the results there since the muffler is straight through. My hope was for a very quiet interior and that seems to be the case. Cruising along with windows up and the top in place, it was just the whir of the engine.

Only drawback to the turbo?? it makes all of the gears appear to be pretty short !

So now that she's legal, I need to tweak the fan wiring, put some emblems on the hood and trunk, set the toe in, and hit a dyno to complete this round of the project.


MMmmmmmmmmmm satisfaction!






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Sounds like fun. Look forward to hearing how it runs as you get it tuned the way you want it.

jd


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