The Full story of the X199

The Full story of the X199

Joined: February 23rd, 2005, 12:32 am

February 23rd, 2005, 12:35 am #1

Hey Mac

Whats up? my name is Tony and i am one of the students behind the X199. Im that guy u see in the picture modelling the small clay model (the one that bears an uncanny resemblance to the x199). I just wanted to provide u with some more relevant info on the project seeing that there seems to be some confusion out there. First off, i must say i am very impressed with the amount of information u have acquired, i was wondering who your sources were considering that we only authorized one press-release prior the unveiling of the car. Anyways, heres the skinny on how it went down.
1. Fiats design brief consisted of two fundamental requests; use the Punto platform and incorporate a retratctable roof
2. The 7 students including myself proceeded to make design proposals, seven 1:5 scale models were presented by each of us.
3. In November, Fiat selected my proposal to be developed (their reasons were that it was the sportiest of all the designs and it had a unique yet feasible roof system)
4. The car was in no way inspired by your beloved x-1/9, the X199 name was given by Fiat and we were not pleased because the concept has no lineage to the original.

Webasto (the roof guys) were then brought in and shown the roof system that i had developed. They are in no way responsible for the design of the roof. They had serious interest in developing the roof, however, they insisted on retaining the rights to patent the idea. In exchange they would pay me a nominal amount and invest in our prototype so that the roof would actually be functional and not just implied. Furthermore, Webasto will bring this car to the Tokyo, Frankfurt and Detroit auto shows next year under the Webasto brand. Although, i know it is not an X 1/9 there is an outside chance that Fiat will prouce this car, one day while we were in CECOMP working on the car, one of the Marketing guys from Fiat looked at the car and said to me "i have a feeling were gonna produce this car" so u never know.

Take Care
Tony Gatta
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Jeff in Gig Harbor
Jeff in Gig Harbor

February 23rd, 2005, 1:17 am #2

Thank you Tony for explaining how the X1/99 concept came into being, especially the name.

Mac, I have read with interest many of the posts on this XANA section, some of which remain but most of which do not. I am confused about what this all has to do with X1/9s, which is what I thought the XANA website was all about.

We apparently have a car designed as part of a student project that had nothing to do with nor was inspired by the X1/9. Someone at Fiat then becomes interested and chooses to give the non-X1/9 concept car a name that is intended to link the concept car to our beloved X1/9 of the past even though the car was not inspired by the X1/9 nor from what I can tell has anything to do with the X1/9.

So my question is this. Why should this website (and its global members including North America) have any more interest in this concept car than any of the other hundreds of concept cars that might at any one time be in existence? In other words, what makes this concept car so special that it merits such passionate discussion by you on this X1/9 site?

Is this because the car might be produced by Fiat? If yes, should this site then be expanded to become a Fiat site rather than limit itself to X1/9s?

I realize you might not be in a position to explain. And I certainly want to support any even remote possibility that the X1/9 could be brought back into production by Fiat. On that score, count me in as a FIAT BUILD IT vote. And if Fiat builds a new X1/9, I'll buy one! Maybe two!

But does this concept car really further the goal of an all new X1/9?
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Mac
Mac

February 23rd, 2005, 1:25 am #3

Hey Mac

Whats up? my name is Tony and i am one of the students behind the X199. Im that guy u see in the picture modelling the small clay model (the one that bears an uncanny resemblance to the x199). I just wanted to provide u with some more relevant info on the project seeing that there seems to be some confusion out there. First off, i must say i am very impressed with the amount of information u have acquired, i was wondering who your sources were considering that we only authorized one press-release prior the unveiling of the car. Anyways, heres the skinny on how it went down.
1. Fiats design brief consisted of two fundamental requests; use the Punto platform and incorporate a retratctable roof
2. The 7 students including myself proceeded to make design proposals, seven 1:5 scale models were presented by each of us.
3. In November, Fiat selected my proposal to be developed (their reasons were that it was the sportiest of all the designs and it had a unique yet feasible roof system)
4. The car was in no way inspired by your beloved x-1/9, the X199 name was given by Fiat and we were not pleased because the concept has no lineage to the original.

Webasto (the roof guys) were then brought in and shown the roof system that i had developed. They are in no way responsible for the design of the roof. They had serious interest in developing the roof, however, they insisted on retaining the rights to patent the idea. In exchange they would pay me a nominal amount and invest in our prototype so that the roof would actually be functional and not just implied. Furthermore, Webasto will bring this car to the Tokyo, Frankfurt and Detroit auto shows next year under the Webasto brand. Although, i know it is not an X 1/9 there is an outside chance that Fiat will prouce this car, one day while we were in CECOMP working on the car, one of the Marketing guys from Fiat looked at the car and said to me "i have a feeling were gonna produce this car" so u never know.

Take Care
Tony Gatta
I hope you noticed that José H Wong & Carlo Palazzani from your team have also been talking here You can see my most recent response to them here and everything I said to them I say to you as well. Thank you and your IED team for creating this concept. It has created a real opportunity to open a dialogue between Fiat and the X1/9 enthusiast community of the world, on the topic of seriously considering a modern evolution of the X1/9 in some form or another...

I am very happy to have you all here as guests of this humble forum.

No one really knows whether Fiat would produce the X1/99 concept or maybe instead another car that is of a similar nature (small, mid engine, open top Fiat sports car). I have been told by various people that the X1/99 DID have an X1/9 connection, and by various other people that it DID NOT. It seems that Fiat thinks it does and IED thinks it does not. No matter whether one says it deliberately is related or not, the fact is that it has turned out to be related just by the virture of all these commonalities, whether you initially intended it to be so or not.

I don't know what will come from all this, but I do know that Fiat SHOULD produce a new, small, mid-engine SPORTS car that would seriously carry on the spirit of the X1/9, in name as well as in actual driving experience. Whether that car is the X1/99 or something different, it is undeniable that it is because of your X1/99 that any of these opportunities have arisen, and for that, I thank you!

I am unable to speak of who you ask but I can say that everyone I know is a strong enthusiast of the X1/9, the X1/99, Italian sports cars, and FIAT, and a true friend and ally to all enthusiasts of these. Please do not make too much noise about it. All I will tell you is, as you already well suspect, there are people who would love to see "something like" the X1/99 or a "New X1/9" become a reality sitting in a Fiat dealer's showroom

I would like that too!

Please feel free to visit this forum any time, and participate often!

Kindest regards, -Mac
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Mac
Mac

February 23rd, 2005, 1:34 am #4

Thank you Tony for explaining how the X1/99 concept came into being, especially the name.

Mac, I have read with interest many of the posts on this XANA section, some of which remain but most of which do not. I am confused about what this all has to do with X1/9s, which is what I thought the XANA website was all about.

We apparently have a car designed as part of a student project that had nothing to do with nor was inspired by the X1/9. Someone at Fiat then becomes interested and chooses to give the non-X1/9 concept car a name that is intended to link the concept car to our beloved X1/9 of the past even though the car was not inspired by the X1/9 nor from what I can tell has anything to do with the X1/9.

So my question is this. Why should this website (and its global members including North America) have any more interest in this concept car than any of the other hundreds of concept cars that might at any one time be in existence? In other words, what makes this concept car so special that it merits such passionate discussion by you on this X1/9 site?

Is this because the car might be produced by Fiat? If yes, should this site then be expanded to become a Fiat site rather than limit itself to X1/9s?

I realize you might not be in a position to explain. And I certainly want to support any even remote possibility that the X1/9 could be brought back into production by Fiat. On that score, count me in as a FIAT BUILD IT vote. And if Fiat builds a new X1/9, I'll buy one! Maybe two!

But does this concept car really further the goal of an all new X1/9?
Actually you are correct, there is a lot that can not really be said about it, and even more than that to which there are no clear answers - YET.

I can only say this, for the X1/9 enthusiasts of the world who WOULD be interested in the prospect of ANY "New X1/9" being produced by Fiat, it has simply worked out in such a way that IED's X1/99 concept (whether it was ever intended to be an evolution of the original or not) HAS by the attention it has drawn created a real possibility that an evolution of the X1/9 might now be more possible than ever... IF the enthusiast community of the world would desire it.

What I am saying is this. Some people say the X1/9 and the X1/99 have no relationship. Others say they do. In fact it really is not relevant whether they did ORIGINALLY because they DO NOW! It is because of the X1/99 that Fiat might seriously consider something "like it" or "like" an evolution of the X1/9. So you see, it is not "what is the X1/99" or "what is the X1/99 NOT" that are the relevant points, the relevant point is, whatever happened, the X1/99 has created an OPPORTUNITY for Fiat to seriously consider the production of ANY "new X1/9" KIND of car.

That is where WE as a global community raise a collective voice to FIAT that we would WANT THAT if they would be willing to create one. Then, after they would seriously consider that (which may be a lot more likely than you would assume) that is when we offer them the "vocal majority" concensus issues that would be relevant to us in respect to such a car being produced...

Make sense?

Peace, -Mac
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Jeff in Gig Harbor
Jeff in Gig Harbor

February 23rd, 2005, 1:38 am #5

FIAT SHOULD BUILD THIS CAR!

Thanks, Mac for your explanation. I got it now!

FIAT SHOULD BUILD THIS CAR!
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Brad in Stockton
Brad in Stockton

February 23rd, 2005, 1:57 am #6

Actually you are correct, there is a lot that can not really be said about it, and even more than that to which there are no clear answers - YET.

I can only say this, for the X1/9 enthusiasts of the world who WOULD be interested in the prospect of ANY "New X1/9" being produced by Fiat, it has simply worked out in such a way that IED's X1/99 concept (whether it was ever intended to be an evolution of the original or not) HAS by the attention it has drawn created a real possibility that an evolution of the X1/9 might now be more possible than ever... IF the enthusiast community of the world would desire it.

What I am saying is this. Some people say the X1/9 and the X1/99 have no relationship. Others say they do. In fact it really is not relevant whether they did ORIGINALLY because they DO NOW! It is because of the X1/99 that Fiat might seriously consider something "like it" or "like" an evolution of the X1/9. So you see, it is not "what is the X1/99" or "what is the X1/99 NOT" that are the relevant points, the relevant point is, whatever happened, the X1/99 has created an OPPORTUNITY for Fiat to seriously consider the production of ANY "new X1/9" KIND of car.

That is where WE as a global community raise a collective voice to FIAT that we would WANT THAT if they would be willing to create one. Then, after they would seriously consider that (which may be a lot more likely than you would assume) that is when we offer them the "vocal majority" concensus issues that would be relevant to us in respect to such a car being produced...

Make sense?

Peace, -Mac
it reminded me of something that I've read in the past about Fiat's development protocol. I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but the fact that this model was designated as the X1/99 was most likely because that was the next number in the consecutive string. In other words, it simply followed the X1/98. Remember that the Scorpion was the X1/20 and many other models have followed over the years. Make sense?

Regards,

Brad in Stockton
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ash simmonds (adelaide, australia)
ash simmonds (adelaide, australia)

February 23rd, 2005, 5:38 am #7

Hey Mac

Whats up? my name is Tony and i am one of the students behind the X199. Im that guy u see in the picture modelling the small clay model (the one that bears an uncanny resemblance to the x199). I just wanted to provide u with some more relevant info on the project seeing that there seems to be some confusion out there. First off, i must say i am very impressed with the amount of information u have acquired, i was wondering who your sources were considering that we only authorized one press-release prior the unveiling of the car. Anyways, heres the skinny on how it went down.
1. Fiats design brief consisted of two fundamental requests; use the Punto platform and incorporate a retratctable roof
2. The 7 students including myself proceeded to make design proposals, seven 1:5 scale models were presented by each of us.
3. In November, Fiat selected my proposal to be developed (their reasons were that it was the sportiest of all the designs and it had a unique yet feasible roof system)
4. The car was in no way inspired by your beloved x-1/9, the X199 name was given by Fiat and we were not pleased because the concept has no lineage to the original.

Webasto (the roof guys) were then brought in and shown the roof system that i had developed. They are in no way responsible for the design of the roof. They had serious interest in developing the roof, however, they insisted on retaining the rights to patent the idea. In exchange they would pay me a nominal amount and invest in our prototype so that the roof would actually be functional and not just implied. Furthermore, Webasto will bring this car to the Tokyo, Frankfurt and Detroit auto shows next year under the Webasto brand. Although, i know it is not an X 1/9 there is an outside chance that Fiat will prouce this car, one day while we were in CECOMP working on the car, one of the Marketing guys from Fiat looked at the car and said to me "i have a feeling were gonna produce this car" so u never know.

Take Care
Tony Gatta

from when we first heard of this on Jan 26...

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i don't think the x1/99 designation infers descendance - January 26 2005
- ash simmonds

more along the same lines as it's just a prototype code-name, of which
the X1/9 never shook....
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thanks for clearing that up.

a nice prototype, sure, but i haven't seen anything that made me think
it had anything to do with the X1/9, and so haven't had much reason to
participate on this side of the forum.

a nice by-product however, is that independent of the X1/99 - or Flat
Punto with Stratos windshield as i lovingly refer to it - discussions
have heated up about resurrecting the incomparable X for a new
generation.

cheerzzzzzzzzzz.

ash
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Joined: April 18th, 2001, 2:41 pm

February 23rd, 2005, 8:04 am #8

it reminded me of something that I've read in the past about Fiat's development protocol. I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but the fact that this model was designated as the X1/99 was most likely because that was the next number in the consecutive string. In other words, it simply followed the X1/98. Remember that the Scorpion was the X1/20 and many other models have followed over the years. Make sense?

Regards,

Brad in Stockton
has nothing to do with the "project" designation - the 1/99 comes from 199 which is the project identifier for the new Punto. It has been said countless times below (admittedly Mac has hidden a number of those threads so you are forgiven )

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Joined: December 16th, 2002, 3:08 am

February 23rd, 2005, 7:24 pm #9

why, then, wasn't the X1/9 ever given a "proper" name? It remained to be known as a "project" during it's entire run of production ? It must be true, about being the ugly step-sister in FIAT's line up. Kinda like that poor, poor animal the "wildebeest", undeserving of a real name, thus being relinquished to be known simply as a "wild beast". .

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Brad in Stockton
Brad in Stockton

February 24th, 2005, 1:44 am #10

has nothing to do with the "project" designation - the 1/99 comes from 199 which is the project identifier for the new Punto. It has been said countless times below (admittedly Mac has hidden a number of those threads so you are forgiven )

78 X1/9 TNB racer
96 TVR Griffith 500
97 Ford Explorer (all round tank and tow car)
http://www.the-lair.demon.co.uk/
I'm old, what can I say? But the project identifier is sequential (or that's Fiat's methodology per Phil Ward, I think) and that it's 199 is just some kind of odd coincidence. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Work with me here... Please?

Regards,

Brad in Stockton
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