rear defroster question

rear defroster question

Joined: August 21st, 2007, 8:01 am

July 12th, 2008, 4:51 pm #1

I have power at the switch, but none at the window connector and when I short out the positive lead at the switch the instrument panel indicator does not light up... does the relay in the spare tire compartment have anything to do with this? I removed it because I thought it was for the carburator cooling fan. thanks in advance.
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Joined: December 21st, 2004, 3:04 am

July 12th, 2008, 5:32 pm #2


"I have power at the switch, but none at the window connector..."

<STRONG>There is a connector at each side... one should be ground, the other should be power from the switch.&nbsp; Did you check both?&nbsp; Does either one test as a ground lead using your Ohmmeter?</STRONG>

"and when I short out the positive lead at the switch..."

<STRONG>"Short out"... Why would you short-out the positive lead?&nbsp; Shorting it AROUND the switch would only prove the switch good or bad, shorting it to GROUND would probably blow the defroster fuse.&nbsp; I'm afraid I don't understand why you would do this or what you are trying to "prove" by doing it.</STRONG>

"the instrument panel indicator does not light up... "

<STRONG>This was stated as part of the above... and again... I'm not sure.&nbsp; If we can kinda start at the top without "shorting" anything... when you turn on the Defroster Switch, does the indicator light?&nbsp; If so, usually the indicator circuit is NOT part of the operating circuit... meaning the indicator light could indeed light, and the defroster itself STILL not work.&nbsp; But, it usually is a good sign whether or not there is power present for the defroster to work, as it usually derives its power from the same source.&nbsp; If the indicator NO LONGER works AFTER you did your "short" tests, I believe its a good indication the fuse is now blown.</STRONG>

"does the relay in the spare tire compartment have anything to do with this?"

<STRONG>To the best of my knowledge, there is NO relay involved with the defroster circuit.</STRONG>

"I removed it because I thought it was for the carburator cooling fan."

<STRONG>It just might be...&nbsp; It would help to know what year and what country yur in... I only know of the Combo Relay in an FI car in the spare tire compartment... and its been so long since I pulled my CARB fan stuff...</STRONG>

<STRONG>There are late mode drawings in BEST OF, you probably need to download and print them... but first tell us the year and wehter its a US spec car.</STRONG>

thanks in advance.

<STRONG>... yur welcome... hope this helps...</STRONG>


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July 12th, 2008, 5:43 pm #3

which fuse should I look for? can you give me a list or contact points to test? I should have said what I meant by 'shorting out' was that I use one of those testers that looks like a screwdriver that has a wire coming out of it with a clamp to clamp to a ground and it has a light in the handle it lights up when there is power in a connection you are testing.
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July 12th, 2008, 6:22 pm #4


The Defroster is powered via Fuse A on the far left. The orange wire on the switch comes from there. The orange/white wire on the switch goes to the Rear defogger relay (coil). The power on the switch side of the relay is supplied from a red wire coming from the fuse panel. The other side of the switch is the two brown wires. One goes to the instrument cluster and the other goes to the tab on the rear window. The other side of the window goes to ground.

I live in Canada and have never needed to use it.




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July 12th, 2008, 6:28 pm #5

which fuse should I look for? can you give me a list or contact points to test? I should have said what I meant by 'shorting out' was that I use one of those testers that looks like a screwdriver that has a wire coming out of it with a clamp to clamp to a ground and it has a light in the handle it lights up when there is power in a connection you are testing.
One thing you always need to do though... is clip the test light to a ground, then TEST the light on a known good source of voltage, THEN test the circuit.&nbsp; We just had another fella go crazy because he didn't have a good ground.

The first place to check for votage on the BROWN wire at the defroster.&nbsp; If its there... then lift the BLACK wire connector off the other side of the defroster.&nbsp; Like I said, this BLACK wire should be grounded, and the other side should have voltage.

You CANNOT test for a good ground with the test light... but you can supply ANOTHER&nbsp; good ground by using a "test lead with two clips", or a length of wire that you secure to the chassis.

If no voltage there on the BROWN wire... my next test would be to see if there is voltage leaving the switch on the panel.&nbsp; Use your test light here on BOTH contacts so you prove there is voltage TO the switch, and then again voltage LEAVING the switch after you turn it on.

(You can see there is much to say and many possibilities here... lots to write... so I gotta stop somewhere... here's one more for now.)

If no voltage on EITHER side of the switch (key must be on), then check the fuse box.

WHOA... there is a RELAY!!!

I don't know where it's located... but it has a connector with two BROWN wires, a BLACK wire, a RED wire and an ORANGE/WHITE wire that comes FROM the defogger switch.&nbsp;

Power to the Defroster Switch comes IN from the ORANGE wire that eventually&nbsp; comes from Fuse A on the fuse box.&nbsp; I say eventually, as it multiples off other componants like the Heater Fan Switch.

So that's a START... if I didn't give you my number... here it is... call 9 - 9 PST 661-296-7277.

&nbsp;


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July 12th, 2008, 6:31 pm #6

The Defroster is powered via Fuse A on the far left. The orange wire on the switch comes from there. The orange/white wire on the switch goes to the Rear defogger relay (coil). The power on the switch side of the relay is supplied from a red wire coming from the fuse panel. The other side of the switch is the two brown wires. One goes to the instrument cluster and the other goes to the tab on the rear window. The other side of the window goes to ground.

I live in Canada and have never needed to use it.




My Best,



Old Flame

Robert Mose
HA... I live in LA and only used mine a coupla times in 25 years

I see great minds think alike!

Later!


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July 13th, 2008, 3:31 pm #7

One thing you always need to do though... is clip the test light to a ground, then TEST the light on a known good source of voltage, THEN test the circuit.&nbsp; We just had another fella go crazy because he didn't have a good ground.

The first place to check for votage on the BROWN wire at the defroster.&nbsp; If its there... then lift the BLACK wire connector off the other side of the defroster.&nbsp; Like I said, this BLACK wire should be grounded, and the other side should have voltage.

You CANNOT test for a good ground with the test light... but you can supply ANOTHER&nbsp; good ground by using a "test lead with two clips", or a length of wire that you secure to the chassis.

If no voltage there on the BROWN wire... my next test would be to see if there is voltage leaving the switch on the panel.&nbsp; Use your test light here on BOTH contacts so you prove there is voltage TO the switch, and then again voltage LEAVING the switch after you turn it on.

(You can see there is much to say and many possibilities here... lots to write... so I gotta stop somewhere... here's one more for now.)

If no voltage on EITHER side of the switch (key must be on), then check the fuse box.

WHOA... there is a RELAY!!!

I don't know where it's located... but it has a connector with two BROWN wires, a BLACK wire, a RED wire and an ORANGE/WHITE wire that comes FROM the defogger switch.&nbsp;

Power to the Defroster Switch comes IN from the ORANGE wire that eventually&nbsp; comes from Fuse A on the fuse box.&nbsp; I say eventually, as it multiples off other componants like the Heater Fan Switch.

So that's a START... if I didn't give you my number... here it is... call 9 - 9 PST 661-296-7277.

&nbsp;


My best,



Tony
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You can do this, it's simple a matter of perspective when using the test light.

Normally the test light is clipped to a known good ground and the sharp probe is touched or inserted into various wires or connectors looking for a positive, which will light the test light.

To look for a ground, clip the tester lead to a known positive, like a relay or cigar lighter power, or in the engine bay the coil or alternator. The battery is always a great place to clip to. Then, anything that when touched lights the tester circuit is a good ground.

Gregory Smith

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July 14th, 2008, 8:41 am #8



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July 18th, 2008, 9:20 am #9

Oh Tony you make me laugh ha ha... n wheres your redline.. I know its on the tacho.... how high r you game to go?
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July 18th, 2008, 6:15 pm #10


HA!

I know it wants to pull way past 6000 and many have said they take theirs to 7500 and beyond...

But I also have messed with my guage and face and needle and really don't know how accurate it is anymore... so I generally don't exceed 6000 indicated, unless its life or death or I don't care anymore...&nbsp; and I find I probably won't need to.


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