looking at '78 tomorrow

looking at '78 tomorrow

Paul
Paul

March 15th, 2008, 12:59 am #1


I'm off to see a '78 tomorrow. About 80k, they say no rust (although admit some surface rust under the radiator), hasn't run in 1.5 years, they owned it for three. Owner has been ill, and has no plans for it now, son is a ASEE mechanic and told me he would get different carbs, as the stock ones get clogged due to the fine jets. He said he would try and get it running for tomorrow, they are asking 1500.

I have never owned an X, have looked at a few over the last few years, but nothing ever really came about. I would like something that at least runs, and not too much rust. $1500 is probably about what my expenses would allow at this point (2 kids in college). Daughter is going to local community college for automotive, so I may have a personal mechanic (she just started this semester).

So, what should I look for, is there a buyers guide around anywhere? I assume rust, rust, rust, and tranny?

I have a '93 Mazda mx6 2.5 liter 6 cylinder and commute about 90 miles a day, country roads, and have been experimenting with pulse and glide driving for better mpg. I have been getting 30 mpg this way. How is the X1/9 for gas mileage, and is there anything that can be done to improve it? I was thinking of a metro 3 cylinder, but figure I would take a last look at an X1/9, since this one just came up. The mx6 has 170k on it, figure if I get something else I can at least take some of the load off it, so the next car doesn't have to be 100% reliable.

Thanks,
Paul
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March 15th, 2008, 3:38 am #2


You got it right here.  Best thing you could do is take a camera and post photos here tomorrow.

I'm sure he's anxious to sell it but I'm also sure there is no LINE AROUND THE BLOCK to buy it.  Take yur time and let us lend you a hand.  To type it all would fill a book.

As far as a 1300 goes, yur not gonna get any appreciable mileage, maybe 26 - 28 in reality.  An FI car, 1500, 1980 and above can get mid 30's and at least one liar says he gets 42... but I think that was an IMPERIAL gallon.

Secondly... where do ya live and possibly one of US might be able to go with you or be of some help locally.

The X, unlike the Mazda, has little to NO support for parts and labor other than yourself and this site...

We find it OK, cause we're hooked on the car... but just so ya know... Its kinda like owning a pup, yur gonna get emotionally involved and have to do most of the potty training, no matter WHAT the rest of the family told ya!

Good luck... send photos!  We're here...


My best,



Tony
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March 15th, 2008, 4:18 am #3

Hi Paul,

You are correct to be concerned about a lot of rust. I will leave the mechanicals to you. Either it stops and goes, or it doesn't.

As far as the body goes. Look in all these spots and don't forget to take a look underneath at the frame.
Pull up the rubber mat or carpet in the front trunk and see what the trunk floor looks like.<a href="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f289/ ... 001689.jpg" target="_blank">
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Check the windshield frame. Rust around the edges can indicate you will have water problems in the dash.

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Look in the rear trunk. Down into both wheel wells and also lift the mat to see what the tray looks like.<a href="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f289/ ... 001686.jpg" target="_blank">
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Look at the front shock tower from inside the front trunk. You don't want to see any rust. If there is rust showing, it is most likely rusted thru from the outside. Not good.<a href="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f289/ ... 001683.jpg" target="_blank">
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Open up the doors and check the rocker area on both sides.<a href="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f289/ ... 2468ds.jpg" target="_blank">
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Get down behind the car and check the lower valance.<a href="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f289/ ... 01680b.jpg" target="_blank">
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While you are down there, don't forget to go all the way around looking behind each wheel well for evidence of rust or previous repairs. Take a magnet if you want to test areas for bondo !!

Don't expect perfection. The car is 30 years old. Just be sure that you are happy with what you see. Like Tony said. Bring back pics and we will happily take a look.

Good luck!!

jd


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Joined: September 25th, 2004, 5:43 am

March 15th, 2008, 4:26 am #4

look in the engine bay at the interior panels of the rear shock towers. Take a look in the spare tire well too.



jd


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Paul
Paul

March 15th, 2008, 12:36 pm #5

You got it right here.&nbsp; Best thing you could do is take a camera and post photos here tomorrow.

I'm sure he's anxious to sell it but I'm also sure there is no LINE AROUND THE BLOCK to buy it.&nbsp; Take yur time and let us lend you a hand.&nbsp; To type it all would fill a book.

As far as a 1300 goes, yur not gonna get any appreciable mileage, maybe 26 - 28 in reality.&nbsp; An FI car, 1500, 1980 and above can get mid 30's and at least one liar says he gets 42... but I think that was an IMPERIAL gallon.

Secondly... where do ya live and possibly one of US might be able to go with you or be of some help locally.

The X, unlike the Mazda, has little to NO support for parts and labor other than yourself and this site...

We find it OK, cause we're hooked on the car... but just so ya know... Its kinda like owning a pup, yur gonna get emotionally involved and have to do most of the potty training, no matter WHAT the rest of the family told ya!

Good luck... send photos!&nbsp; We're here...


My best,



Tony
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HI,

I'm in CT. The son is showing me the car today (its in RI), and is apparently stored at an uncles house, so I think it's an inconvenience to show the car to anyone. I'm running a cold so don't think I can make a good judgment without your help, thanks, I'll take plenty of pictures.

I regularly scan the classifieds on this web site, but never look at this forum, go figure.

Paul
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March 15th, 2008, 4:40 pm #6



My best,



Tony
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Art Machado
Art Machado

March 15th, 2008, 4:49 pm #7

HI,

I'm in CT. The son is showing me the car today (its in RI), and is apparently stored at an uncles house, so I think it's an inconvenience to show the car to anyone. I'm running a cold so don't think I can make a good judgment without your help, thanks, I'll take plenty of pictures.

I regularly scan the classifieds on this web site, but never look at this forum, go figure.

Paul
together - we can ride out in mine and i can show you what to look for.
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March 15th, 2008, 4:55 pm #8

You got it right here.&nbsp; Best thing you could do is take a camera and post photos here tomorrow.

I'm sure he's anxious to sell it but I'm also sure there is no LINE AROUND THE BLOCK to buy it.&nbsp; Take yur time and let us lend you a hand.&nbsp; To type it all would fill a book.

As far as a 1300 goes, yur not gonna get any appreciable mileage, maybe 26 - 28 in reality.&nbsp; An FI car, 1500, 1980 and above can get mid 30's and at least one liar says he gets 42... but I think that was an IMPERIAL gallon.

Secondly... where do ya live and possibly one of US might be able to go with you or be of some help locally.

The X, unlike the Mazda, has little to NO support for parts and labor other than yourself and this site...

We find it OK, cause we're hooked on the car... but just so ya know... Its kinda like owning a pup, yur gonna get emotionally involved and have to do most of the potty training, no matter WHAT the rest of the family told ya!

Good luck... send photos!&nbsp; We're here...


My best,



Tony
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Here is a scan of the window sticker from my 78. The 78 was rated at 20 city, 29 hwy, 23 combined according to the EPA.



jd


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Eric Hamilton (Durham NC)
Eric Hamilton (Durham NC)

March 15th, 2008, 5:53 pm #9

Measured in the 30's on the highway, when not pushing it, just part-throttle cruising.

This is a 1300 '74... The smog pump keeps on unbolting itself and sneaking off to hide in the corner of the garage (BAD smog pump! BAD! BAD!); the vacuum retard is disconnected and the static timing is advanced to not quite ping with 93-octane unleaded. Free-flow air cleaner and exhaust, can of fix-a-flat in the trunk instead of a spare tire and jack, tires inflated a few PSI above recommended.

Stock DMTRA carb with the stock US spec jets, which are bit smaller than European spec, and it feels as if its running a bit lean.

I expect that the MPG winner would be an early 1300 refitted with the 5-speed transmission and FI (although IIUC the advantages of FI are least pronounced on the highway). But I don't know, and I'm not likely to find out because my experimentation is heading in a different direction
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Eric Hamilton (Durham NC)
Eric Hamilton (Durham NC)

March 15th, 2008, 6:04 pm #10

I'm off to see a '78 tomorrow. About 80k, they say no rust (although admit some surface rust under the radiator), hasn't run in 1.5 years, they owned it for three. Owner has been ill, and has no plans for it now, son is a ASEE mechanic and told me he would get different carbs, as the stock ones get clogged due to the fine jets. He said he would try and get it running for tomorrow, they are asking 1500.

I have never owned an X, have looked at a few over the last few years, but nothing ever really came about. I would like something that at least runs, and not too much rust. $1500 is probably about what my expenses would allow at this point (2 kids in college). Daughter is going to local community college for automotive, so I may have a personal mechanic (she just started this semester).

So, what should I look for, is there a buyers guide around anywhere? I assume rust, rust, rust, and tranny?

I have a '93 Mazda mx6 2.5 liter 6 cylinder and commute about 90 miles a day, country roads, and have been experimenting with pulse and glide driving for better mpg. I have been getting 30 mpg this way. How is the X1/9 for gas mileage, and is there anything that can be done to improve it? I was thinking of a metro 3 cylinder, but figure I would take a last look at an X1/9, since this one just came up. The mx6 has 170k on it, figure if I get something else I can at least take some of the load off it, so the next car doesn't have to be 100% reliable.

Thanks,
Paul
> son is a ASEE mechanic and told me he would get different carbs,
> as the stock ones get clogged due to the fine jets.

Listen politely, don't argue, pay no attention and check back here for the truth

Those "fine jets" in the stock carb are one of the reasons why these cars run so well. If they're getting clogged, something else is wrong: crud in the fuel tank, old grungy fuel lines, bad fuel filter, dirty gas, problem with the filter in the carb inlet itself. All of this is really cheap and easy to correct.

I just finished dealing with this a few weeks back on my '74 (still a work in progress); amazingly easy, amazingly rewarding in terms of drivability.
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