Just getting one click...

Just getting one click...

Greg (in Conn)
Greg (in Conn)

April 24th, 2008, 1:42 am #1

strong battery and all I can get is a one click sound from the coil side.Had a spare coil so swapped and still the same. Plug wires,rotor and cap fine...checked the ground cable... I guess it's the starter next any other thoughts out there?
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Bob Brown
Bob Brown

April 24th, 2008, 1:50 am #2

First and most important, at the battery. Spend the 5 bucks at your auto parts store and replace it with a 4ga. 10" long new one. Include a stainless star washer underneath the lug to the chassis. Second, check or replace the ground wire between the transmission and chassis. (underneath, rear)

Do that & report the results. -Bob
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Greg (in Conn)
Greg (in Conn)

April 24th, 2008, 2:26 am #3

corrosion with dremel& steel wool so very good spark. Car running awesome after I did plugs,wires cap & rotor...never a problem and all this done over a month ago.My jack has seen better days so I can't get at the starter yet.Hoping maybe something on the top side somebody can guide me with.Coil is set already. Thanks
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Bob Brown
Bob Brown

April 24th, 2008, 2:43 am #4

But the quality of the wire INSIDE the connections might be. I have seen terminals "look" good but the wire inside them rotted and hidden. Do the $5 replacement. The starter wire (8Ga wire) has nothing to so with your spark. That's on a separate wire. I'd love to see a picture of your current connection, as the stock Fiat connection ground is an 8Ga. or (some) 6Ga wire. Trust me on this, it makes a difference.

Not to say your starter isn't bad, as you might have a stuck or bad solenoid, or starter itself. I'd do the $5 upgrade first because it's CHEAP and the whole car will benefit.

-Bob
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Joined: September 25th, 2004, 5:43 am

April 24th, 2008, 3:00 am #5

strong battery and all I can get is a one click sound from the coil side.Had a spare coil so swapped and still the same. Plug wires,rotor and cap fine...checked the ground cable... I guess it's the starter next any other thoughts out there?
As a last ditch effort, you could try tapping the starter with something hammer like.

If the starter is stuck you can firmly rap it on the bottom of the case and see if that breaks it loose. Reach in from the pass side rear wheel well (in front of the tire) and you should be able to reach it.

I had this problem with my 78 for about 6 months. I kept a hammer behind the passenger seat just in case. I finally got off my ass and put in a rebuilt starter. Problem solved.

You can also look down from the top and see the solenoid on top of the starter. You can try tapping that with a broom handle, but I had more luck tapping the case of the starter.

jd


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Greg (in Conn)
Greg (in Conn)

April 24th, 2008, 3:20 am #6

But the quality of the wire INSIDE the connections might be. I have seen terminals "look" good but the wire inside them rotted and hidden. Do the $5 replacement. The starter wire (8Ga wire) has nothing to so with your spark. That's on a separate wire. I'd love to see a picture of your current connection, as the stock Fiat connection ground is an 8Ga. or (some) 6Ga wire. Trust me on this, it makes a difference.

Not to say your starter isn't bad, as you might have a stuck or bad solenoid, or starter itself. I'd do the $5 upgrade first because it's CHEAP and the whole car will benefit.

-Bob
last year when I bought a new Interstate battery MT26...so I can take that bolt off the cable to the wall just toaching the wall again and shoots sparks...so bolt-star washer through the cable loop- flat washer to wall.
Now the rear one is a different story, looks original. About 3/4"wide strip 6" in length and is woven copper exposed strip. I guess just replace that with a cable type but I am sceptical because after I cleaned it with steel wool it looks in great shape. I guess time to invest in a new jack. No camera yet soon...most of the extra cash has gone to the Henk fund for NOS.
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Greg (in Conn)
Greg (in Conn)

April 24th, 2008, 3:35 am #7

As a last ditch effort, you could try tapping the starter with something hammer like.

If the starter is stuck you can firmly rap it on the bottom of the case and see if that breaks it loose. Reach in from the pass side rear wheel well (in front of the tire) and you should be able to reach it.

I had this problem with my 78 for about 6 months. I kept a hammer behind the passenger seat just in case. I finally got off my ass and put in a rebuilt starter. Problem solved.

You can also look down from the top and see the solenoid on top of the starter. You can try tapping that with a broom handle, but I had more luck tapping the case of the starter.

jd


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is a great resource. I bought this car new in 84 and while it doesn't get a lot of use most would find it hard to believe in 24yrs I have never had a starting issue besides a dead battery...I guess I was due but it is getting to me that I can't get it going.Before this no indication of any type of starter issue.
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Joined: September 25th, 2004, 5:43 am

April 24th, 2008, 4:45 am #8

You should see the crappy old jack stands I have. They are from the 70s when I used to help my Dad fix his old Pontiacs, which went through starters frequently. I hit those starters with hammers too!!

Give the starter a tap if you haven't tried it already. Sometimes the internal starter contacts will develop a bad spot. If the contacts end up in that spot after spinning down, you will not have good connectivity for the next starting attempt. The tapping on the case nudges the rotating bits and can move the contacts off the bad spot.

It's probably an age thing. The starter is wedged between the coolant pipes and the engine block. Over time the heat can do evil things to the electronics. I never had starting problems on my 78 until it overheated on a long trip home from the 2005 FFO in 100F temps. It was like night and day. Always started, came out the next day and ... nothing. Hammer time!! I could get it to start, but not always. Finally gave in and replaced it.

Good luck!!
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Joined: May 8th, 2006, 10:58 am

April 24th, 2008, 5:19 am #9

strong battery and all I can get is a one click sound from the coil side.Had a spare coil so swapped and still the same. Plug wires,rotor and cap fine...checked the ground cable... I guess it's the starter next any other thoughts out there?
Get the key to the start possie and tap the starter body with a bit of water pipe or long socket extension.. gently.. if it whirrs n starts then you need to check both the solenoid and the starter body could be worn bush/bearing.. brushes etc.. easy to pull to bits just hard to get your hands in there like a good catholic girl on first date.
Cheers
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Joined: December 21st, 2004, 3:04 am

April 24th, 2008, 5:29 am #10

strong battery and all I can get is a one click sound from the coil side.Had a spare coil so swapped and still the same. Plug wires,rotor and cap fine...checked the ground cable... I guess it's the starter next any other thoughts out there?
1.  Connect a voltmeter to the battery and place it DOWN on the windshield.  It should read 12.6 volts minimum.

2.  With all accessories OFF, turn the Ignition Switch to ON and note voltage and then turn key to START and note voltage.  Did the voltage drop to 10 or 8 volts?  If it barely moved after the switch was ON... I suspect the ignition switch itself as it failed to DROP the voltage as you tried to engage the solenoid.

3.  Prove the starter good or bad by BYPASSING the ignition switch altogether.  Run a 10 guage wire from the POS term on the battery to the RED wire's blade on the starter solenoid.  This can also be done by jumping the the brown wire to red at the ignition switch or connector... or at the starter from the battery cable to the red wire on the solenoid.  If the starter engages and spins... then the problem is with the ignition switch or wiring.  If not, then then pull the starter.

The starter and solenoid (usually) can easily be rebuilt for a few bucks... more details upon request.


My best,



Tony
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