How about a sporty Hybrid?

How about a sporty Hybrid?

Brett Melancon
Brett Melancon

February 11th, 2005, 1:02 pm #1

Think about it, small, light, fast and cheap to run. The hybrids usually have decent power and this would be one way to be sure that it got into the US.
Brett
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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

February 11th, 2005, 1:24 pm #2

Who says hybrids can not also be supercars? It should be up to the Italians to break that stereotype, and Giugiaro is already on it... -Mac

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From Italdesign.it:

Toyota Volta
ENVIRONMENT FRIENDLY. THE SUPERCAR OF THE FUTURE.





“We have entered a new era. We have created a hybrid that has nothing to do with the typical electric power vehicle which so often flaunts rather unappealing characteristics”, Fabrizio Giugiaro asserts.



“When creating the volumes of this eco supercar, the idea at the back of my mind was to recapture the stylish features of the central-engine models, whicht I had already used with the BMW Nazca, the Alfa Romeo Scighera and the Volkswagen V 12, to demonstrate that if a racing shell can combine a “clean” and innovative propulsion system, the headroom for creating and designing environmentally-friendly sedan and compact cars of the future would be huge.” Mindful of this, Alessandro Volta, the Italian physicist and discoverer of the voltaic pile, was called to bear witness to an exciting stage of automotive technological research, a momentum placing demands on the depth of resources required from auto-mobile manufacturers to meet head-on pressing environmental issues such as gas emissions and the unrelenting consumption of oil-derivative products.



Italdesign-Giugiaro could not have chosen a more appropriate partner than Toyota for venturing into this theme of thought. As confirmed by Giorgetto Giugiaro: “We have been working with Toyota for more than 25 years.



We are proud to have worked towards putting in place a hybrid prototype because the advanced expertise and commitment of the Nagoya Carmaker to mixed wheel-drive moves beyond day-to-day boundaries”.



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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

February 11th, 2005, 1:43 pm #3

I live in Seattle and it is a very "green" place, environmentally speaking, there are more Honda and Toyota hybrids around here than just about anywhere else I've ever seen, and I love the idea of hybrids, and ANY alternative fuel cars becoming more mainstream, however, I personally do NOT think the X1/99 or an X1/9 evolution should be a hybrid powered car. Why? ...

There are 2 big reasons:

1: PERFORMANCE. The X1/99 or ANY "Evo X" absolutely MUST be a bite-size ROCKET SHIP. IT MUST. I think if they were to create this car as a hybrid or another sort of alternative fuel vehicle, it would inevitably mean the whole sales pitch of the car would become EFFICIENCY, ECONOMY, ENVIRONMENT FIRST, THEN Sportiness, performance, and all the things we care most about taking a back seat to the "green" angle. I love green as much as the next guy, but if there is a chance for the X1/99 or something like it to be produced, IT HAD BETTER BE 100% PERFORMANCE FIRST. I don't think that would happen if they went with anything but a good old fashioned internal combustion engine. Even if Fiat COULD successfully produce a hybrid SPORTS car, and put PERFORMANCE first, and make it smoking fast and agile, even then, there is the other thing...

2: PRICE. One of Fiat's most central primary concerns if this car were to actually be produced SHOULD BE THE "BUDGET ENTHUSIAST". They absolutely NEED to make this car as easily affordable (at least the base model) as possible, and if they went hybrid with it, there goes the price tag, ESPECIALLY if they managed to actually make it perform like a true sports car.

I would be the first guy in line to buy a hybrid Honda Civic, if that is what I was after, but if that IS what I was after, I would be buying a Honda Civic...

I WANT MY X1/99 SINGING "SUCK SQUISH BANG BLOW" AT 8000 RPM (sorry!)

Peace, -Mac
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Matt (Dr.Auto)
Matt (Dr.Auto)

February 12th, 2005, 10:13 pm #4

I personally don't like Hybrid at all. And I've had to work on Prius. I think it's just lame. Eiather make it Gas powered, electric only, or something else. Besides how many hybrids have you heard that got your attention? None...because they are so quite. I don't want a lame car that's quite, plus WILL be heavy baecause no matter what anyone says, the power needed to operate an electric motor to be even remotely useful in driving for any length of time is great, and as a result weighs pretty good too. I was actually envolved in a college project where we converted a VW bug into an electric car utilizing an old jet engine starter/generator. And yes electric cars can be very fast and torquey. But to do so the car only lasts on a charge for about 50 miles, but you could smoke the tires. That one sounded pretty cool because the RPM's could go nuts by playing around with the field voltages, and I would guess that we saw an easy 10k for that motor.

But back on topic, it still isn't an X-1/9! Part of the X-1/9 leagend is a car that has a high strung internal combustion engine that sounds like a little go-kart by Farrarri. It simply sounds Italian! And that's how it needs to be. And it's not hard bacause Honda has been making engines for years that are 8K friendly right from the factory and generate good power with their V-tec. I see no reason why the new X-1/9 could not be released with a nice little 1.6L capable of 8K RPM and puts out at least 160HP. And might I mention that Fiat is not totally a rookie when it comes to designing, they know what a decent powered 4 cyl is all about at high RPM.

Another point, the X-1/9 is not a practical car, never has been and never should be. It's just simply about fun. Like someone else said, throw personal comfort right out the window, it doesn't need to be on the list of requirement for an X. If I wanted comfort I'd drive something else just like everyone else does. I want something differant, I want a car with no power steering, no power windows, no ABS, no traction control, no Airbags, No fancy anything. I just want the car for the thrill of man relating with his machine in it's pure raw form. If the tires spin I want to be the one that makes them stop, not the ECU. I want a car that I can drive, not a car I try to drive and the ECU won't let me because "uh oh, it just saw wheel slip! the world is doomed, you can't have wheels slip! Not in acceleration or in braking! It's just too scary!". If I want to drift the car, I don't want it talking back to me! Let me do it and if I screw up it's my own fault. And I would hope that if it was drive by wire that it would be programmed so that when I hit the gas it actually works......regardless of what the ECU see's for brake signal or anything else. And It had better give me gas right now, not wait and think about it like some cars...... till I'm done making my turn! Plus putting all that crap on it up's the price and the weight. And if the car had it I probibly wouldn't buy it. Or I'd just have to turn right back around and take it all off myself anyways. Then that means I have to start redesigning the car myself to cope with the changes and the process goes on and on till you know what/ I'll just stick with my good old X that I have right now! It's just what a X is supposed to be, a fun car to drive with no frills and I can control it.

P.S. Maybe the designers should get aqanted with the old X first before they try designing a new one? Have they ever driven one before? Do they even know what it's like to take a drive in one on a back country road? Targa off, wind blowing through your hair. Watching a 911 pass you in the straight knowing your just going to catch up with it again by the next turn with a smirk on your face? If they could relate it would make this alot easier. And if they could relate, then perhaps they could make our dreams come true. Make a new X that we'd rather drive on the weekends over the old one. But to do that it's got to be pretty good, and alot like the old one, just better.
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Mac
Mac

February 13th, 2005, 2:30 am #5

I wholeheartedly agree with you. You just nailed everything about the X1/9 that I love so much.

If Fiat would just listen to this, and ignore the complex practical-yet-sporting-pretensions garbage, throw out the pie-charts and stop trying to float an X1/9 that's as good for Suzy Soccer Mom as it is supposed to be for us. Suzy can buy a Stilo, or any of the other Fiats that are ALL for that segment of the market!!

GIVE US A SERIOUSLY FUN IMPRACTICAL SPORTS CAR! MAKE IT DO THAT ONE THING, ONE THING ONLY, AND DO IT EXTREMELY WELL

I would be incredibly happy with that, and it sounds like most of you feel the same way.

I hope Fiat reads all of this and thinks seriously about it.

Peace, -Mac
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Graham, Calgary
Graham, Calgary

February 18th, 2005, 7:42 am #6


I know it is all relative, but of all the sports cars I have owned I have found the X 1/9 to be the MOST practical!!!

The reason is that you can actually put some serious luggage in it and go somewhere!

I went camping with a friend in my first 74 and included a tent, small cooler and cooking things as well as sleeping bags etc. That is practical!

I regularly do family grocery shops in my cars. That is practical!

Two people can go on a trip with enough stuff to keep comfortable. That is practical!

Try any of that in a Miata and see what happens. One of my biggest likes, after the steering precision, about the X 1/9 is its practicality!

With the top off you can even move the family rubber plant!!!

my 10cents,

Regards,
Graham

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