Clutch Update #2 - Verdict

Clutch Update #2 - Verdict

Shooter (Rocklin, CA)
Shooter (Rocklin, CA)

July 14th, 2008, 6:33 am #1

Hi All,

Got some time tonight to finish extracting the transmission to see what was up with the clutch. With the initial extraction, I had a very good clue as to what was wrong. There was a small chunk of one of the clutch disc springs hanging out in a recess of the of bellhousing. See the red highlighted part of the picture...



If that was not an enough of an indication of the problem, pulling the clutch off confirmed the problem. Two more big chunks of a spring fell out. In this picture, you see the where the two pieces (plus the other small piece) should be.



So, Tony and Steve were correct and confirmed my hunch that a spring had broken. Bob Brown takes honorable mention with his hunch that it was the accuating arm sleeve (for that Bob, I will buy you the tallest Sam Adams brew if/when we meet in person).

Since I am a cheap SOB, and have limited money to throw at the X right now, I will probabably just buy a new disc and put it all back together. (In a couple of years when I am doing this all over again, you all have my permission to chastise me for not changing the whole clutch out in a kit!)

Thanks for your previous and continued input, it is much appreciated! Once the part arrives, I will post on my ability to reinstall everything in a timely manner...

Thanks,
Sean Dockry


PS: Sorry if the pictures don't work out or are too large. This is the first time I have included pictures using photobucket.


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Joined: December 21st, 2004, 3:04 am

July 14th, 2008, 10:04 am #2


Let me chastize you NOW...

Order the T/O bearing and the Clutch Cover... it should only be another 75 bucks at most. 

(You could go without eating for three days, easily...)

With the condition of the clutch disc its OBVIOUS these parts have taken a BEATING and its the only sensible thing to do.  Economical in time and MONEY also...

Don't do this to yourself!


My best,



Tony
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Eric Armstrong
Eric Armstrong

July 14th, 2008, 9:39 pm #3

Just curious as to your experience replacing only the clutch disk and not the pressure plate/throw out bearing. It looks like his clutch is pretty new.

I have cheaped out and done this a couple of times with no problems.

Did something bad happen to you?

Just curious.

Thanks

Eric
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July 15th, 2008, 3:25 am #4


My contention is that 90% of the labor is gaining access to the three parts... and while yur there, its usually a bit over 100 bucks, so you might as well.

Most Pros want 550 to 650 in labor to R&R the trans now... which reinforces my point.

But as to my experiences... I have never destroyed a clutch disc like that, but usually have overheated the pressure plate causing slippage, or worn out a clutch disc, or sometimes just a ruined T/O bearing.&nbsp; I've always re-surfaced the flywheel, and replaced the pilot bearings along with the three aforementioned parts.

Looking at his disc, it not only has a broken spring from excessive chatter, I would imagine, but also has&nbsp;lots of rust and corrosion.&nbsp; I wouldn't trust anything else in its vicinity to last much longer either, just because of the environmental evidence.

Sooooo... I do see your point, but I hate to see him have to do this all over again in a few weeks or months or so...


My best,



Tony
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Eric Armstrong
Eric Armstrong

July 17th, 2008, 10:52 pm #5

I was just curious if you knew of some reason to avoide the "Eral B Cheap" method of clutch repair.

Eric
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