2500 pt Tourney List

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2500 pt Tourney List

brother_maynard
Greater Daemon
brother_maynard
Greater Daemon
Joined: 05 Aug 2010, 03:13

25 Feb 2012, 01:31 #1

so i'll be going to an small, 3 game event on the 3rd that is going to have a lot of talent. its only 26 players but there are going to be several members of the US ETC team as well as a lot of top 3 GT* finishers, so the competition will be fierce. here is the list i'm taking (tentatively), let me know what you guys think. and yes, there will be battle reports of me getting smashed!

*mainly crossroads, conflict, onslaught, colonial (NE US)

Daemons of Chaos (2500 pts, flamers 0-1, loremaster 0-1, max 28 models per DoC unit, BSB can take banner or gifts)

Great Unclean One
Pestilent Mucus, stream of bile
level 4

Herald of Khorne
Armor, Firestorm Blade

Herald of Khorne BSB
Icon of Despair

Herald of Tzeentch
Spell Breaker, Master of Sorcery (light)

28 Bloodletters
FC, +D6" charge icon

28 Bloodletters
Standard, Muso

5 Furies

3 Nurglings

4 Nurglings

2 solo Fiends

6 Flamers

the most obvious weakness is the BSB. being a HoK with no gifts, he is definitely really squishy. the best choice is probably to swap him and his unit for a HoN and PB's but i'm hoping that challenges and copious amounts of reforms will keep him out of harm's way. i built a HoK BSB out of the chosen kit and bloodletters so i REALLY want to use him. i really like the BLetter blocks and i think in the end, the sheer aggression of running two with the despair icon will win the day. what say the Legion?
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Noisy Assassin
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Noisy Assassin
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Joined: 09 Nov 2010, 01:17

25 Feb 2012, 06:58 #2

I don't have any experience at that level of competition, but it looks like a strong list. Light is gonna rock pretty hard with it (and can even help keep the poor squishy BSB alive)
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Kuwanger23
Horror
Joined: 20 Feb 2012, 12:13

25 Feb 2012, 07:40 #3

As a. Daemon player I would love to hear the idea behind this force. Only two blocks? That seems scary. But like I said I am very new to daemons and haven't even had a game in with them. The GUO I understand him and the lore of life on the herald I also understand. When I look at this list and compare it to my vc list I am not afraid of it on paper. But things are different on the field for sure.
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Noisy Assassin
Greater Daemon
Noisy Assassin
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25 Feb 2012, 15:10 #4

Only 2 blocks at 2500 is actually pretty standard for Daemons.
Demons need love too...hugs for everyone!
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When life gives you lemons, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

8th Edition W/D/L Records with Daemons:
- 7th ed book: 21/1/5
- 8th ed book: 11/0/2
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Lord Tremendous
Bloodletter
Joined: 23 Feb 2012, 13:53

25 Feb 2012, 15:12 #5

I have a few ideas for this list... and please keep in mind this is just MY opinion... there is ZERO need for 6 flamers. 4-5 is more than enough for this point level imo and if you reduce that unit by just 1 and lose both sets of nurglings you could have yourself a strong brick of crushers which is the only thing this list is missing... again... THIS IS MY OPINION!!!! ... flank support. Your Bricks of letters are going to perform, we all know this. Making your oppoents have to worry about the unit of crushers (STR 6, killing blow is much more worrisome than 2 small swarm units that will get burned off the field by turn 2 or 3) and HOPEFULLY make them mis-allocate resources that will give you the opening you need to really put it to them with your letters and such.

Yea... I know you have 2 1X units of fiends.... but those aren't really a threat imo, not like a brick of 4 Crushers would be racing up the flank, if you place them right it may give your opponent pause from charging your letter bricks due to the 4 slavering crushers ready to counter charge thier flank. (Or rear if your REALLY lucky) In fact, I would prolly drop the Fiends altogether or combine them.

My next suggestion (Not trying to be a **** just giveing my free advice. :D) is to lower your GUO to a lvl 2 wizard. With 2 wizards (And considering your Tzeentch caster is the one your going to want casting for the most part) you arent going to ever have the dice pool to justify the point cost. ALSO, with the points you save by doing this, Your BSB can now have obsidian armor which REALLY fixes up your BSB vunerability, You can have 5 flamers with one being a UC to give you a D6 at BS5, AND your 2nd unit of letters can have a FC.

Here is the breakdown on how I see this list. Feel free to ignore it or use it in parts however you see fit. :)

Great unclean one (General)
Lvl 2 wiz
Pest mucus
stream of bile

Hearld of Khorne
Flameblade
Armor

Hearld of Khorne
BSB
Icon of despair
Obsidian Armor

Hearld of Tzeentch
Spell breaker
Master of sorc (Light)

28 X Letters w FC
Banner of +D6 to 1st charge

28 X Letters w FC

5 X Furies

5 X Flamers with UC

4X Crushers with Musician

2X Fiends


This gives you SEVEN bigger, intimidateing units for your opponent to factor, all of the units (Minus the furies) are self reliant, and your points are better distributed with the big point carriers defended for the most part. It also gives you viable flankers on each side with your fast moving Fiends and brick or crushers as well as 2 casters more than capable of both casting AND dispelling those pesky opponent magic phases.

Sorry this is so long but I'm honestly just trying to help. If my suggestions offend or irratate I understand, please feel free to ignore my suggestions. :D

Again, this is FREE advice and you get what you pay for! Good luck in the tourney! :D

-Tremendous



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bonesaww666
Plaguerider
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Joined: 16 Nov 2011, 02:27

25 Feb 2012, 15:13 #6

Especially when your running a GD!
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brother_maynard
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brother_maynard
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25 Feb 2012, 18:45 #7

I like the idea of that crusher unit but I think its just too easy to collect their points. The list as a whole is also much more vulnerable to cannons and light magic which I expect to see a lot of. Also the bsb gets either a flag or gifts so no armor for him. I like your ideas and will try them out eventually but having all those crusher points in a unit that's incredibly easy to kill makes me nervous. As for dropping the nurglings, i think i'm cutting it fairly close with the amount of chaff that i have as it is. if anything, i think i need more. the 2 bloodletter units and big papa have the killing power to handle pretty much anything, if i drop the nurglings it will really affect how well i can manage how and when my blocks get hit.
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tor
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tor
Pleasureseeker
Joined: 13 Dec 2011, 10:26

26 Feb 2012, 13:28 #8

Only 2 blocks at 2500 is actually pretty standard for Daemons.
Not sure If thats with the 28 model per unit cap.
I would like something more to, Id like one unit more to but I would go for Fiends or something from core. The Bsb Is squishy but as long as you remember that he doesn´t have to be In a unit when the **** hits the fan he´ll probably live a long a prosperous life.
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Lord Tremendous
Bloodletter
Joined: 23 Feb 2012, 13:53

26 Feb 2012, 19:32 #9

brother_maynard @ Feb 25 2012, 01:45 PM wrote: Also the bsb gets either a flag or gifts so no armor for him.
I don't understand your statement here. According to the BRB, DOC book, and the rep at GW Demonic gifts are NOT considered magic items. (See the fluff in the DoC Rulebook) So if you put a magic BSB on your HoK he CAN have obsidian armor or any other demonic gift you have the points for.

Or is this another rule being forced on you by the place your tournament is at?

-Tremendous



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brother_maynard
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brother_maynard
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26 Feb 2012, 20:09 #10

Yeah its part of the tourney comp pack, I listed them at the top of the army list. its actually a common restriction for daemons at larger events around here.
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Lord Tremendous
Bloodletter
Joined: 23 Feb 2012, 13:53

26 Feb 2012, 20:56 #11

Wow thats awful. They really handicap the army by limiting the rules. Meh, it is what it is I guess...

-Tremendous



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brother_maynard
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brother_maynard
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26 Feb 2012, 21:17 #12

well to be fair, our banners are pretty horrific. even the overcosted (in our army) standard of chaos glory is obscenely good. i was testing it in this list before i added the despair icon and it made big papa even more disgusting than he already is. it really changes the way you use your greater daemon if you take enemy static res out of the equation.
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Lord Tremendous
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Joined: 23 Feb 2012, 13:53

27 Feb 2012, 13:56 #13

I dont know.... I mean its alot of points for everything which means our amry.... usually... is going to be realitively small (In compared with the others) and with 8th edition leveling the playing field a bit (Horde bricks, cant use Ward AND regen, steadfast, any toughness is wounded on a six no matter your STR.) I have seen a huge shift in GT's in my area. ELVES (THose filthy pointy eared freaks) have been dominating lately. Especially high elves with their ASF rule with great weapons. That is disgusting!

But to each region their own I suppose. Even with the army restrictions I would still join the tournament your playing in and try to be as competitive as I could. It would feel good to take it to the guys that usually place even with my hands tied behind my back and the judges shooting our army in the foot. lol!

Is there a website that states all the rule restrictions for all the armies or is demons the only one with any significant handicaps?

-Tremendous



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brother_maynard
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brother_maynard
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27 Feb 2012, 15:21 #14

here are the restriction
http://www.thecolonialgt.com/Colonial20 ... et2012.pdf

and I can understand dark elves dominating your tournaments but HE, really? Are there no skaven players to keep them in check? Lol
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bonesaww666
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27 Feb 2012, 20:29 #15

The list looks solid, if I were you i may look into trappings for your GuO just incase You run into that VC lord you were fretting about! Plenty of chaff... Scouting chaff no less! Best of luck, I look forward to hearing the Dark Deeds of your conquest!

The comp's don't seem all that bad, we don't get very many big tournaments around my parts (going all the way to Waterloo for the biggest one about) all models gotta be painted and I think the only SC not allowed is Kairos.
Best of all their is no comps but they discourage cheddar with a $400 prize for sportsmanship which list composition plays into...
All armies gotta be 100% painted to a minimum of 3 with bases completed, I'm hoping to have my Daemons ready but it's looking bleak. Mind I managed to paint a 2200 point VC list last year in under 3 weeks...

Is Teclis allowed? HE in the hands of a skilled General can still put the hurt on but I just can't see them outpacing DE...
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