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November 23rd, 2010, 5:34 am #21

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November 23rd, 2010, 9:31 am #22

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"Iran should sign a defense cooperation pact, get you guys up to date with radars. And you can give us some ballistic missile tech "

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November 23rd, 2010, 12:09 pm #23

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I think that's a fabulous idea. A NATO ally, pledged to defend the US, also allied with a nation whose stated goal is the destruction of the US. that sounds like a recipe for success to me.

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November 23rd, 2010, 1:33 pm #24

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"a nation whose stated goal is the destruction of the US"

On another thread you took offend when I adressed you as a propaganda machine. How the hell do you then justify comments like this? So one of Iran's "stated goals" is the destroy the US? What a pile of BS.

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November 23rd, 2010, 1:34 pm #25

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<strong>with a nation whose stated goal is the destruction of the US. </strong>

The last time I checked it was the United States that insisted on keeping the military attack on Iran on the table; The last time I checked, it was the United States that has warships in the Persian Gulf and not Iran off the U.S. coast.

As you can see, this is what I call the "Fox News syndrome". They brainwash you to such an extent that you start seeing things backwards.


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November 23rd, 2010, 2:22 pm #26

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Propaganda? Really? Are you really going to make me start posting the quotations of the IRI's intentions? When I get back from court I'll start posting. I'll stop at 100 then you can say how they are all mistranslated. There is propaganda here, but it isn't coming from me, Gentlemen.

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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


When you come back from court???

Are being taken to court for impersonating a lawyer?!! LOL

Or maybe your neighbours are taking you to court for being so full of crap, and stinking out the whole neighbourhood?




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Here's an installment, Gentlemen:

I am decisively announcing to the whole world that if the world-devourers [i.e., the infidel powers] wish to stand against our religion, we will stand against their whole world and will not cease until the annihilation of all them. Either we all become free, or we will go to the greater freedom which is martyrdom. Either we shake one anothers hands in joy at the victory of Islam in the world, or all of us will turn to eternal life and martyrdom. In both cases, victory and success are ours.

Ayatollah Khomeini, quoted in an 11-grade Iranian schoolbook

"Now is the time to invite people to accept the rule of the righteous, and [especially that] of the most righteous of [rulers] - the Hidden Imam."

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad August 25-26, 2007

"The oppressors and tyrants are responsible for all the difficulties and problems currently faced by the nations, and the only way to establish justice is through popular uprising and determined resistance in the face of these oppressors."

--Mahmoud Ahmadinejad August 25-26, 2007


"[The day] of these aggressors... who are oppressing and controlling the nations, is now coming to an end."

---Mahmoud Ahmadinejad August 25-26, 2007

"The current problems faced by the world result from [the rule] of unworthy rulers."

---Mahmoud Ahmadinejad August 28, 2007

"The ultimate solution is to replace these unworthy regimes and rulers, and to establish the rule of the Hidden Imam."

---Mahmoud Ahmadinejad August 28, 2007

God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come, and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


Get ready for a world minus the U.S. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khameini


The end of the U.S. will begin in Iraq. As the Imam [Khomeini] said, One day the U.S., too, would be history. Supreme Leader Khameini


The American regime can expect a resounding slap and devastating fist-blow from the Muslim nation for its support of the Zionist crimes and criminals. Supreme Leader Khameini


The nations will soon see the fall of the criminal Zionist regime and America.
IRNA, January 2, 2007http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area= ... e=archives

Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury,
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

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America is the great Satan, the wounded snake.
Ayatollah Khomeini

Islam's jihad is a struggle against idolatry, sexual deviations, plunder, repression, and cruelty. The war waged by [non-Muslim] conquerors, however, aims at promoting lust and animal pleasures. They care not if whole countries are wiped out and many families left homeless. But those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [God's law].
Ayatollah Khomeini

We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.

* Ayatollah Khomeini Speech in Qom 1980, as quoted in Nest of Spies : America's Journey to Disaster in Iran (1989) by Amir Taheri, p. 269
If one permits an infidel to continue in his role as a corrupter of the earth, the infidel's moral suffering will be all the worse. If one kills the infidel, and this stops him from perpetrating his misdeeds, his death will be a blessing to him.

* Ayatollah Khomeini Speech on the day of Mohammed's birth (1984)

I will announce to the whole world with certainty that if those who are after the world want to face us in matters of religion we will stand up to their whole world. We will not sit until all of them are killed; until all of us are free or until we reach a larger freedom martyrdom.
Ayatollah Khomeini Sahifah Noor, v.20, p.118 (1987)

With our whole existence we will stop the spread of immunity for Americans even if it means a serious war.
Ayatollah Khomeini Sahifah Noor, v.20, p.232 (1988)

If Muslims do not seriously solve their issues with those who are after the world, or at least if they do not become a strong power in the world there will be problems. Right now, if America destroys an Islamic country with the excuse of protecting its interests who would stand up to him? There is no other path except fighting. The claws and teeth of the world powers, especially America, must be broken.
Ayatollah Khomeini Sahifah Noor, v.20, p.233 (1988)


Iranians stage mass protest against US
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November 4, 2010

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Thousands of Iranians chanted "Death to America" as they staged Thursday a mass protest against the "Great Satan" to mark the 31st anniversary of the capture of the American embassy by Islamist students.

Waving Iranian flags and carrying anti-US banners alongside posters of Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the largely young crowd also shouted anti-Israel slogans.

Banners saying "I will give my life for the leader (Khamenei)" and another quoting Iran's revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as saying, "If you want to shout, shout at the US", were displayed at the closed embassy compound in central Tehran, an AFP correspondent reported.
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Iran annually on November 4 marks the anniversary of the capture of the US embassy by Islamist students in Tehran in 1979, months after the Islamic revolution which toppled the US-backed shah.

The embassy has remained closed and the US and Iran have had no diplomatic ties since then.

The students, who took 52 American diplomats hostage for 444 days, said they were responding to Washington's refusal to hand over the deposed shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.

Ezatollah Eragami, the keynote speaker at the rally and one of the 1979 hostage takers, hit out at US President Barack Obama over Washington's foreign policy.

"Obama has acted very weakly and badly when it comes to his foreign policy," Eragami, who now heads Iranian state media, told the cheering crowd.

"The reason for that is that he is using an array of advisers who are exhausted bureaucrats."

The organisers of Thursday's anti-US demonstration, in their final declaration, said that Iran considers "America as the Great Satan and enemy number one".

"The government and people must be alert towards the mercenary and anti-Islamic policy of America."
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Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. . . . But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. . . . Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.

Ayatollah Khomeini


The great prophet of Islam in one hand carried the Koran and in the other a sword; the sword for crushing the traitors and the Koran for guidance. For those who could be guided, the Koran was their means of guidance, while as for those who could not be guided and were plotters, the sword descended on their heads. ...Islam is a religion of blood for the infidels but a religion of guidance for the other people.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini: Speech delivered at the Feyziyeh Theological School (August 24, 1979).


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Thursday, June 4, 2009; 4:51 PM

TEHRAN, June 4 -- Iran's supreme leader dismissed President Obama's speech at Cairo University Thursday, saying the Muslim world continues to "hate America." And he criticized the United States and its allies for asserting that Iran seeks nuclear weapons, which he insisted are forbidden under Iran's brand of Islam.


Speaking shortly before Obama delivered his address, in which he called for a "new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that "beautiful speeches" could not remove the hatred felt in the Muslim world against America.



"People of the Middle East, the Muslim region and North Africa -- people of these regions -- hate America from the bottom of their heart," Khamenei said at a gathering to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the father of Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution and Khamenei's predecessor as the predominantly Shiite Muslim country's supreme religious leader.

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"For a long time, these people have witnessed aggressive actions by America, and that's why they hate them," Khamenei, 69, told a crowd of several thousand supporters in his televised speech. He attributed these feelings to "violence, military intervention, rights violations and discrimination" by the United States.



Alluding to Obama's new approach in foreign affairs, he said that the previous administration of President George W. Bush had left an "ill-mannered image" of itself in the world.



"The new U.S. government seeks to transform this image," Khamenei said. "I say firmly that this will not be achieved by talking, speech and slogans." He added, "Even if [Obama] delivers hundreds of speeches and talks very sweetly, there will not be a change in how the Islamic countries perceive the United States." He called on Obama to deliver change "in practice."



Khamenei also denounced Israel as a "cancerous tumor in the heart" of the Islamic world, and he accused the U.S. military of "bombing innocent civilians" in Afghanistan. "What is the difference between this killing and killing by terrorists?" he asked rhetorically.



Regarding Iran's nuclear program, the main issue of contention between his country and the United States, Khamenei reiterated Tehran's assertions that it seeks only to generate electricity, and he referred to a religious edict, or fatwa, that he issued at least four years ago in which he declared that the production, stockpiling or use of nuclear weapons was prohibited under Islam. The Iranian government cited the fatwa at an August 2005 meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna.



"Our nation says we want to have a nuclear industry," Khamenei said Thursday. "We want to use nuclear energy in a peaceful way. However, the West and America say that the Iranian nation is seeking to make a nuclear bomb. Why are they telling lies?"



The senior Shiite cleric continued: "The Iranian government and nation have repeatedly said that we do not want nuclear weapons. We have announced that according to Islamic principles, the use of nuclear weapons is forbidden. It is dangerous to keep nuclear weapons. We are not seeking to have them. We do not want them."



Khamenei, who served as president of Iran for eight years in the 1980s, succeeded Khomeini as supreme leader in 1989, becoming the nation's highest-ranking political and religious authority. As such, he is more powerful than President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and appoints many key leaders, including the commanders of the armed forces and members of national security councils dealing with defense and foreign affairs.



Other Iranians reacted cautiously to Obama's speech. In it, the U.S. president acknowledged that the United States had "played a role in the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government" in 1953, but he pointed as well to an Iranian role in "acts of hostage-taking and violence against U.S. troops and civilians" since the 1979 Islamic revolution.



"Rather than remain trapped in the past, I've made it clear to Iran's leaders and people that my country is prepared to move forward," Obama said. "The question now is not what Iran is against, but rather what future it wants to build."



Obama also said that "we have reached a decisive point" on nuclear weapons and the need to prevent a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. But he said that "any nation -- including Iran -- should have the right to access peaceful nuclear power if it complies with its responsibilities under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty."



Mohammad Marandi, the head of the North American Studies Department at Tehran University, said of Obama's speech, "I didn't hear many new things from Obama. We need to see fundamental change in American policies. People in this region are expecting change as much as the people in the United States."



Marandi added in a telephone interview: "When Obama says that he recognizes Iran's rights to having peaceful nuclear energy, does that mean he will honor that right in negotiations with Iran? Or is this rhetoric? This is what we want to know."



However, political commentator Ali Reza Khamesian described Obama's acknowledgment of Iran's right to produce nuclear energy for peaceful purposes as "a step forward for better ties with the United States," the Associated Press reported.







Branigin reported from Washington.

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"The Iranian people's hatred for America is profound."
Ayatullah Ali Khamenei In a speech on Iranian state TV. (Middle East Media Research Institute, Oct. 30, 2008)

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At a speech in Tehran, Iranian Ayatollah Khamenei delivered what can only be described as fighting words, which likely have US and European security specialists on high alert.

AFP:

Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Monday that Iran is set to deliver a "punch" that will stun world powers during this week's 31st anniversary of the Islamic revolution.

"The Iranian nation, with its unity and God's grace, will punch the arrogance (Western powers) on the 22nd of Bahman (February 11) in a way that will leave them stunned," Khamenei, who is also Iran's commander-in-chief, told a gathering of air force personnel.


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November 23rd, 2010, 7:30 pm #29

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lol look at the Provost the Zionist mouthpiece is up to his usuall stuff... Would you like me to show you some of the things the Zionists leaders have said? including American presidents? DIRECT THREATS OF WAR, THREATS OF NUCLEAR ATTACK?

even better why dont we forget about talk and see some real action...

How many people have died or been displaced due to American and Zionist actions? What is worse to talk war or to actually carry it out?

We should take a pole and see if people would rather have talk of war or actual war? I think that could be quite interesting. Would you rather be ruled be the hidden Imam or bombed to democracy and liberty by the americans..lol


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November 23rd, 2010, 7:41 pm #30

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When you come back from court???

Yes, actually I was sitting as Juvenile Court Judge. Ours just had surgery.
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Arta, I stated that one of the IRI's goals was to destroy the US. You know, the nation they call the "Great Satan" and of which they regular chant "Marg bar Ameerka." I would not that Mar bar, in Farsi, means "Death to" Many here have, again trying to spread their propaganda, have claimed that "Marg bar" doesn't mean "death to" but should be translated as "Down with." You and I both know that Down in Farsi would be Payeen not Marg.

Clearly the founder of the IRI and its current leaders have a goal of destroying the US. That's what I said. That is the truth.

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LOL, you don't know the difference between criminal and family law, and they made you into a judge?! hahaha

Ok buddy, whatever makes you happy.



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Again Randy, who is just spewing rhetoric and who is acutally acting? Iran or United States? Is Iran occupying any country? Is Iran present with Hundreds of Thousands of troops somewhere far away from its mainland? Has Iran made a state policy bombing another soverign state? Is Iran present all over the globe with countless bases?

As you can see if you try to make this a moral issue, United States is to be found at the bottom of the list You have no moral standing.

Iran's regime is a reactionary regime and when pushed, it pushes back. The advantage of the West is that the Iranian regime (due to its weaknesses) barks far more than it acts whereas the West does the opposite, speaking of liberation of democracy while committing atrocites and being heavily engaged in neo-colonialism.


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Again Randy, who is just spewing rhetoric and who is acutally acting? Iran or United States? Is Iran occupying any country? Is Iran present with Hundreds of Thousands of troops somewhere far away from its mainland? Has Iran made a state policy bombing another soverign state? Is Iran present all over the globe with countless bases?

That's a nice dodge, PR. Even if the US were, for the sake of argument, the most evil nation in the history of the world, or as Iran says the Great Satan, that would not change the fact that what I said was true. The IRI has as one of its founding goals the destruction of the US. I'm not making a value judgment on whether it is justified in this goal or not, simply that it is its goal. You denied that so I proved it. What's above is simply an attempt to distract from the point.

As you can see if you try to make this a moral issue, United States is to be found at the bottom of the list You have no moral standing.

I didn't make it a moral issue. Again, PR, you and Hadi, seem to think that if you just spew enough BS, that you can overwhelm those who disagree with you. I'm sorry but it doesn't work on me. Again, I simply stated the IRI's goal without any moral judgment whatsoever. To suggest otherwise, as you do here is both logically false and disingenuous.

Iran's regime is a reactionary regime and when pushed, it pushes back.

The IRI is a revolutionary regime, true. As one of its basic tenets it intentionally chose anti-Americanism to establish its bona fide nationalist credentials and legitimacy. Again, this is not a value or moral judgment, simply a statement of fact.

The advantage of the West is that the Iranian regime (due to its weaknesses) barks far more than it acts whereas the West does the opposite, speaking of liberation of democracy while committing atrocites and being heavily engaged in neo-colonialism.

Talk about moral judgments, let's sort out the facts inherent therein on which we can agree. The IRI is weak. The IRI puts on displays to make people think it is militarily strong. The West is often hypocritical in its dealings.

Now, if you'd like to have a rational discussion instead of this emotional hyperbole, I'll be happy to talk to you. If not, then I'll be happy to dissect your arguments and show them as logically fallacious and false.

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November 23rd, 2010, 11:32 pm #35

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Yes, Hadi, I often sit as Judge in all of our courts when the elected judges are unavailable, your opinion of my legal acumen notwithstanding. I know I could never possibly be as smart as you are, you're of Iranian ancestry, after all, but I do have one advantage you don't seem to have and that's that I'm honest.

I made a statement. You called me a liar. I proved my point and now you have nothing left but personal venom. As with PR, if you want to have a rational discussion I'll be happy to oblige, if not, well, I know how busy you are choosing the right color for your vest closures and I'll henceforth simply point out when I think you are wrong.

"It is hard to see how a great man can be an atheist. Without the sustaining influence of faith in a divine power we could have little faith in ourselves. We need to feel that behind us is intelligence and love. Doubters do not achieve; skeptics do not contribute; cynics do not create. Faith is the great motive power, and no man realizes his full possibilities unless he has the deep conviction that life is eternally important, and that his work, well done, is a part of an unending plan."


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I have to agree with mikey here. We Iranians hate Americans and we do. We wouldn't mind Infidels dying. So does one third of the world population hating Americans. So what?
We Muslims don't like Infidels. Yes we also teach our children to hate Americans and Israelis. Want to cry about it ? "MEHH MEHH WHY DO MUSLIMS HATE US SO MUCH "
I would say get used to it.
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<strong> As with PR, if you want to have a rational discussion I'll be happy to oblige, if not, well,</strong>

Well, believe it or not. I have tried but you have disappointed me repeatedly in the past. As you always end up in a repetitive vicious cycle. Repeating your previous statements over and over again when pushed to a corner claiming vicotry while you're boring the heck out of me

I am afraid, we are heading to the same direction again.


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November 24th, 2010, 2:18 pm #39

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I'm addressing your claim directly. No doging.

Yes, PR, you were, and apparently still are. We werent talking about the US and its behavior, we were discussing whether it was a goal of the IRI to destroy the US. Trying to demonize the US, rightly or wrongly, when its behavior isnt the issue is a classical example of the logical fallacy known as Two wrongs make a right. By demonizing the US, again, Im not arguing whether that is or is not appropriate, has nothing whatsoever to do whether whether the IRI would like to destroy the US. I submitted overwhelming evidence based on the words of two Supreme Leaders and the current President, that prove that is true.

United States is an empire and it is devouring the entire world to sustain its dominion. Nothing more, nothing less and Iran is resisting it. If you like simple statement. You should acknowledge this.

Again, PR, we were not discussing the evil that is the US, we were discussing the IRIs desire to destroy the US.

Incorrect. You pulled up old statemens (in fact most of them were part of Friday sermons) some decades old and are trying to sell a BS idea that Iran is a threat to United States while nowhere is there any mention in Iranian constitution of your bogus claim.

With respect, PR, this is simply nonsense. I submitted the premise that a goal of the IRI was to destroy the US. I proved that argument with the words of the people who have controlled the IRI showing unequivocally that my premise was true. Are you seriously suggesting that the words of the Ayatollah Khomeini are not proof of what he wanted and hoped the IRI to do?

Also, Iran doesn't have the military power to pose a threat to United States. At the same time, Iran can make a US invasion very costly. That is what the Mullahs are counting on. The rest is propaganda.

I didnt say it was a threat, PR. I said it had a goal. I proved it had a goal.

Rubbish. Iran may try to undermine U.S. policies in the Mid East (which is fully justified) but it won't go further than that.

If what you are saying is true, PR, why the repeated rhetoric about destroying America? Lets face it, PR, had I wanted to I could have posted literally thousands of quotes from leaders of the IRI about the death or destruction of the US. If they dont mean it why are they not just saying it, but have been saying it continuously since 1979?

On the contrary, you're adopting a revisionist propagandist hollow approach and that is what I call distracting from the point.

Well, you obviously are more familiar with propaganda than I am. Is it propaganda, revisionist, hollow or otherwise, to quote the leaders of the IRI about what they want to see happen?

That is fine but I will make it one: you don't have the right to make such baseless claims while your country (rightfully called the Great Satan) is engaged in unlawful occupations and after so many scancals and the Iraq debacle arrogantly refuses to distance itself from violence aginst Iran. In fact, your hollow claim itself is a diversion of facts and we are committed to pound that on the top of your head.

Again, PR, if you want to talk about the morality of the position of the IRI, great. It wasnt what we were discussing, but Ill be happy to discuss it. Let me though get clear what the IRIs position is. Are you saying that because the US is, in fact, evil that it is morally correct for the IRI to want to destroy it?

I have proven (hands down) that you are indeed the one producing gibberish.

With respect, PR, you have done of the sort. I made a statement. You denied the statement. I proved the statement using the quotations of the IRIs leaders. You then try to make the argument whether the IRI is morally right in wanting to destroy the US.

Basless claim. You may feel overwhelmed as you're not used to being confronted with facts.

Facts? What fact did you submit? Frankly, as usual, Ive seen no facts coming from you at all.

I'm sorry we won't let you sell BS here. We will expose you as we have done it countless times.

Yes, youve done an admirable job proving I was wrong about the IRIs goal of destroying the US. I submitted facts and you submitted.... well, frankly, PR, you submitted nothing. Boy, I am impressed.

and yet your statements are drenched in bias and prejudice as exposed. You're trying to twist reality. It won't work that way.

LOL. Well, PR, I dont remember stating that I was unbiased. You really are precious. Of course Im biased, Ive made no pretense to the contrary. My statement as to the goal of the IRI, however, was an accurate factual statement. It is only your bias and prejudice that prevents you from admitting it.


We have had this discussion before: Iran's anti-Americanism is JUSTIFIED. It is the United States that made itself the enemy of Iran by interfering in the evolution of the country and by hampering democracy. To your demise, these are facts not your gibberish.

Fine, its justified. Why then are you arguing that my statement that it existed is false?

The IRI is weak in a sense that it cannot afford to seek to destory United States but it certainly is capable of defending itself.

Frankly, PR, we dont actually know how strong the IRI is militarily or whether it is or is not it is capable of defending itself. They may well be follows the Saddam Hussein model. I honestly dont know and neither do you.

You better worry about defening your own hollow statements as your pseudo-arguments lie hereabove in shambles.

LOL. Shambles? Nice try, PR.

"It is hard to see how a great man can be an atheist. Without the sustaining influence of faith in a divine power we could have little faith in ourselves. We need to feel that behind us is intelligence and love. Doubters do not achieve; skeptics do not contribute; cynics do not create. Faith is the great motive power, and no man realizes his full possibilities unless he has the deep conviction that life is eternally important, and that his work, well done, is a part of an unending plan."

I know the above is not part of your discussion with me but I couldn't help myself laughing. In a way it explains a lot about your disfunctional mind. It surprises me how arrogant and conceited you religious bigots could be. I take it as an insult. I just want you to know that after this statement I look at you the same way I would look at a Mullah.

Well, Im glad Silent Cals words brought you pleasure. Im curious though as to why you find the words of a man that died in 1933 insulting? Do you think that Calvin Coolidge was referring to you? Frankly, I dont think he had you in mind, but as you think Im always wrong, I suppose I could be.

Well, believe it or not. I have tried but you have disappointed me repeatedly in the past. As you always end up in a repetitive vicious cycle. Repeating your previous statements over and over again when pushed to a corner claiming vicotry while you're boring the heck out of me

I am afraid, we are heading to the same direction again.


Yes, PR, you are truly an amazing intellect. You certainly make me look bad and get bored by my responses. I have to ask myself why I keep coming back time and time again to be humiliated by you. Care to analyze that that part of my dysfunctional mind?

"It is hard to see how a great man can be an atheist. Without the sustaining influence of faith in a divine power we could have little faith in ourselves. We need to feel that behind us is intelligence and love. Doubters do not achieve; skeptics do not contribute; cynics do not create. Faith is the great motive power, and no man realizes his full possibilities unless he has the deep conviction that life is eternally important, and that his work, well done, is a part of an unending plan."


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November 24th, 2010, 5:01 pm #40

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Provost, honestly, you strike me as an intelligent being and as such, when you debate you have more or less waterproof arguments. That is why in debates such as this one, I will agree fully with you that the retoric coming out of Iran is US hostile, with or without taking translation into account. However the question here is this; Is it really enough with retorics in order to conclude that "one of Irans goals is the destruction of US". In my opinion it is not! In the case of Iran I would seperate the retoric coming out and the actual goals they have.
My take on the matter is that IRI main goal is:
1. To stay in Power!!!
That is the sole goal they have IMO. To achieve this goal they will take several measures:
2. Use retorics to fool the simpleminded. Mind you, anybody with the least insight in politics, understands that what IRI says and what IRI wants/has is totally different, e.g. We have developed Iranian S-300 by modifying S-200 (BS), we have developed our own fighter jet (BS), Iran is better of now then before the revolution (BS), we have freedom of speech (BS), IRI is democratic (BS) etc etc.
3. To make sure no outside power will challenge their position they will make sure that they can defend themselves. Here where all their toy development comes into the picture.
etc etc

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