3500t Bezzavetny rams 9600t USS Yorktown

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3500t Bezzavetny rams 9600t USS Yorktown

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August 23rd, 2008, 7:16 pm #1

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August 23rd, 2008, 7:17 pm #2

Is history bound to repeat itself once again in the Black Sea?

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August 23rd, 2008, 7:22 pm #3

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Here is a USS Caron being rammed by a Mirka in the BS,



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August 23rd, 2008, 7:52 pm #4

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I believe that International Laws gives all rights to the bigger ships. It's up to the small ships to GTFO of the way (which is absolutely normal).


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August 23rd, 2008, 7:58 pm #5

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They were in Soviet waters that the US did not recognize

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August 23rd, 2008, 8:42 pm #6

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Did not or DOES not recognize?

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August 23rd, 2008, 8:59 pm #7

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the american ship didn't even move...

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August 24th, 2008, 12:49 am #8

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Frustration will cause you to hit things when that's all you got...........

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August 24th, 2008, 1:44 am #9

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when did this happen. That tiny Russian boat didnt even put a scratch on powerful american ship

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August 24th, 2008, 1:54 am #10

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This was back in the 80s, USS Yorktown was using "innocent passage" law to go through Soviet territorial waters, which gives a ship the "right" to do that if it does not pose any harm to the state and its simply passing since that is the shortest way through. However this was NOT the shortest way through for the USS Yorktown and the Soviet command made the decision to ram. The Krivak that rammed it was 1/3rd the tonnage so its not surprising that it didnt do much harm to the USS Yorktown.

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Last edited by filin on August 24th, 2008, 1:55 am, edited 1 time in total.
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August 24th, 2008, 2:02 am #11

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Less a ram and more a nudge.

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August 24th, 2008, 2:44 am #12

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Size has nothing to do with the right of way at sea!
The only thing that could affect the right of way is if it's a sailing vessel or if it's dificult to maneuver. Ships of this size aren't hard to maneuver in that sense it usually reffers to ships entering ports in narrow straits and the like.

These collisions usually happened when one ship maneuvered into a position where the other ships had to take evasive action.

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August 24th, 2008, 2:47 am #13

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Have the Russians not learned yet ? It is not the size , it is what you do

with it . To really scare the Yanks , they need to borrow some Iranian ...

revolution guards , in small boats armed with video equipment and radio &

be polite and ask for name and destination !


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August 24th, 2008, 7:04 am #14

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That's kind of the stupids action you can take, but hey what else can you do if your weaposn suck or don't even work.
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August 24th, 2008, 9:03 am #15

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its too bad at the time of the 2nd hit the Yorktown didnt try for a pit maneuver

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August 24th, 2008, 9:12 am #16

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why not just use a tugboat instead of being dumb and ramming a ship from the side and then getting left behind in the wake? it's not exactly hard to hook a ship and drag it off course.
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November 11th, 2008, 1:25 am #17

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November 11th, 2008, 7:48 am #18

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Very interesting story! It looks like the US ships entered the 12 mile zone outside Sevastopol. An Elint mission was planned. They had been given several warnings and the russian ships as a last resort rammed the US ships. It was the only moderate solution left without opening fire! Result: Bezzavetny lost it's anchor and Yorktown it's Harpoon launcher.

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November 11th, 2008, 2:52 pm #19

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Well there were actually 2 rammings, one was with Yorktown, the other was with USS Caron getting rammed by a 900t Mirka.



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November 11th, 2008, 3:41 pm #20

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Well there were actually 2 rammings, one was with Yorktown, the other was with USS Caron getting rammed by a 900t Mirka.

What is the point in "ramming" USS Yorktown with a 900t patrol boat, it would be more effective to pull alongside and give them the finger.


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