World Debate on What is the 7th Summit

World Debate on What is the 7th Summit

Joined: January 9th, 2008, 5:22 pm

January 9th, 2008, 5:35 pm #1

What are the 7 summits? That is, the highest point on every CONTINENT.

Elbrus, Europe
Kilimanjaro, Africa
Mt. McKinley, North America
Aconcagua, South America
Everest, Asia
Vinson Massif, Antarctica

AS FAR AS THE HIGHEST POINT IN AUSTRALIA / OCEANIA....IS IT...

Carstensz (Asia)
Koscuisko
Wilhelm

LET'S FORGET FOR A MOMENT THAT THIS FEAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. IF YOU RESEARCH WHAT ARE THE 7 SUMMITS, THAT IS THE HIGHEST POINT ON THE 7 CONTINENTS.....WOULD YOU NOT USE THE RESEARCH, ATLASES, AND WEBSITES THAT ARE BELOW? OR WOULD YOU JUST DECIDE FOR YOURSELF?

Go to my website
www.7ContinentSummits.com

or go to National Geographic website to see the world divided into continents:
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/plac ... index.html

I based my choice of Wilhelm entirely on geographic experts, cartographers, atlas makers, etc.

Here is my reasoning: It is not my reasoning

check these websites direct:

United Nations: http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/english/htmain.htm
U.S. Govt. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA):

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... p.html#Geo

MapQuest: http://www.mapquest.com/atlas/?region=oceania
National Geographic: http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/plac ... a_reg.html
World Atlas: http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/au.htm
Nation Master: http://www.nationmaster.com/region/OCE
Wonder Club: http://www.wonderclub.com/Atlas/au__2067.htm
Lonely Planet: http://lonelyplanet.worldexpeditions.ne ... ions&id=90
Papua New Guinea Trekking: http://www.pngtrekkingadventures.com/pn ... lhelm.html
Atlas of Canada http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/m ... image_view
Greece Map
<img src="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.greece-map.net/oceania.htm&h ... image&cd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.greece-map.net/oceania/ocean ... image&cd=1

Political Resources http://www.politicalresources.net/oceania-map.htm
Network Starter http://www.nsrc.org/codes/bymap/oceania.html
Australian Radio http://vkham.com/Info/Maps/oceania.html
Cloford http://cloford.com/resources/maps/oceania.htm

ALL THESE ATLASES SUPPORT WILHELM:

Rand McNally Classic World Atlas, 2005 Continents color coded

Rand McNally Answer Atlas, 2006 Says Wilhelm is the highest peak in Oceania in WORDS. Also notes that Carstensz (Punca Jaya) is in Asia (in WORDS).

Rand McNally World Atlas, 2006

WHSMITH, World Atlas, 1980 Notice this is from 1980 BEFORE any version of the 7 summits!

Philip’s Modern School Atlas, London, 1983 Notice this is from 1983 BEFORE any version of the 7summits!

DK Geography of the World, 2006 Notes Wilhelm is the highest point in Oceania in WORDS.


DK Essential Atlas of the World, 2005

DK Atlas A-Z 2004

Oxford, Essential World Atlas, 2006

The Times (London), Concise Atlas of the World, 2005

National Geographic, Atlas of the World, 1995

National Geographic, Atlas of the World, 2005 Notes Wilhelm is the highest point in Oceania in WORDS.


National Geographic, Collegiate Atlas of the World, 2006

National Geographic, Family Reference Atlas of the World, 2007

Reader’s Digest Bartholomew, Atlas of the World, 2004 Notes Wilhelm is the highest point in Oceania in WORDS.


Reader’s Digest, Illustrated World Atlas, 2004

Pocket Books, The Pocket Book of the World, 2005

Pocket Books, The Pocket Book of the World, 2006

Merriam-Webster’s Student Atlas, 2006 Notes Wilhelm is the highest point in Oceania in WORDS.


Barnes & Noble Quick Reference World Atlas, 2006

Barnes & Noble Geographica, The Complete Illustrated Atlas of the World, 2002

Barnes & Noble, The Essential Atlas of the World, 2005

Covent Garden Books, World Reference Atlas, 2004

Harper Collins, Concise World Atlas, 2004

Scholastic, Atlas of the World, 2003

Chambers, Reference Atlas, 2005

Hammond, Odyssey World Atlas, 2006

So this is why I chose Wilhelm. Who should decide the continents? A marketing person? an engineer? a landscaper? a mountain climber? a hiker?

Or is it the cartographers and atlas makers? After all, they are the body that decided there are 7 continents to begin with, deciding that Europe and Asia are 2 separate continents - and we all accept this. When I was researching Kosciusko and Carstensz, the above atlases and websites is what I found.

How can they ALL be wrong? I do not understand????????

DO WE ACCEPT ALL 3 VERSIONS? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

John Christiana
San Francisco, CA
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Joined: November 25th, 2000, 10:31 pm

January 20th, 2008, 4:36 am #2

I always consider Europe & Asia to be one continent, though they are quite different culturally (and visiting Asia calls for more red tape, visas, silly things like "local sponsors", etc.). (I also used to think Mont Blanc was the top of Europe; didn't know about Elbruz).

Re SE Asia/Oceania, I've climbed Kosciuszcko (sp?), Wilhelm and Kinabalu (HP of Borneo and SE Asia proper) but not Carstenz, then called Gunong Sukarno or Puntjak Jaya. It's a much harder climb, hard to reach (though it's supposed to be near a large mine) and my visa to Indonesia (talk about red tape, mandatory airline tickets in and out, neither of which I used) was stamped "not valid for travel to Irian Barat" (W. Irian). A poorly run country.
--Roger Williams (19 in US, + many abroad), Boulder, Colorado USA.
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Joined: January 20th, 2004, 9:10 pm

January 22nd, 2008, 9:34 pm #3

What are the 7 summits? That is, the highest point on every CONTINENT.

Elbrus, Europe
Kilimanjaro, Africa
Mt. McKinley, North America
Aconcagua, South America
Everest, Asia
Vinson Massif, Antarctica

AS FAR AS THE HIGHEST POINT IN AUSTRALIA / OCEANIA....IS IT...

Carstensz (Asia)
Koscuisko
Wilhelm

LET'S FORGET FOR A MOMENT THAT THIS FEAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. IF YOU RESEARCH WHAT ARE THE 7 SUMMITS, THAT IS THE HIGHEST POINT ON THE 7 CONTINENTS.....WOULD YOU NOT USE THE RESEARCH, ATLASES, AND WEBSITES THAT ARE BELOW? OR WOULD YOU JUST DECIDE FOR YOURSELF?

Go to my website
www.7ContinentSummits.com

or go to National Geographic website to see the world divided into continents:
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/plac ... index.html

I based my choice of Wilhelm entirely on geographic experts, cartographers, atlas makers, etc.

Here is my reasoning: It is not my reasoning

check these websites direct:

United Nations: http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/english/htmain.htm
U.S. Govt. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA):

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... p.html#Geo

MapQuest: http://www.mapquest.com/atlas/?region=oceania
National Geographic: http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/plac ... a_reg.html
World Atlas: http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/au.htm
Nation Master: http://www.nationmaster.com/region/OCE
Wonder Club: http://www.wonderclub.com/Atlas/au__2067.htm
Lonely Planet: http://lonelyplanet.worldexpeditions.ne ... ions&id=90
Papua New Guinea Trekking: http://www.pngtrekkingadventures.com/pn ... lhelm.html
Atlas of Canada http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/m ... image_view
Greece Map
<img src="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.greece-map.net/oceania.htm&h ... image&cd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.greece-map.net/oceania/ocean ... image&cd=1

Political Resources http://www.politicalresources.net/oceania-map.htm
Network Starter http://www.nsrc.org/codes/bymap/oceania.html
Australian Radio http://vkham.com/Info/Maps/oceania.html
Cloford http://cloford.com/resources/maps/oceania.htm

ALL THESE ATLASES SUPPORT WILHELM:

Rand McNally Classic World Atlas, 2005 Continents color coded

Rand McNally Answer Atlas, 2006 Says Wilhelm is the highest peak in Oceania in WORDS. Also notes that Carstensz (Punca Jaya) is in Asia (in WORDS).

Rand McNally World Atlas, 2006

WHSMITH, World Atlas, 1980 Notice this is from 1980 BEFORE any version of the 7 summits!

Philip’s Modern School Atlas, London, 1983 Notice this is from 1983 BEFORE any version of the 7summits!

DK Geography of the World, 2006 Notes Wilhelm is the highest point in Oceania in WORDS.


DK Essential Atlas of the World, 2005

DK Atlas A-Z 2004

Oxford, Essential World Atlas, 2006

The Times (London), Concise Atlas of the World, 2005

National Geographic, Atlas of the World, 1995

National Geographic, Atlas of the World, 2005 Notes Wilhelm is the highest point in Oceania in WORDS.


National Geographic, Collegiate Atlas of the World, 2006

National Geographic, Family Reference Atlas of the World, 2007

Reader’s Digest Bartholomew, Atlas of the World, 2004 Notes Wilhelm is the highest point in Oceania in WORDS.


Reader’s Digest, Illustrated World Atlas, 2004

Pocket Books, The Pocket Book of the World, 2005

Pocket Books, The Pocket Book of the World, 2006

Merriam-Webster’s Student Atlas, 2006 Notes Wilhelm is the highest point in Oceania in WORDS.


Barnes & Noble Quick Reference World Atlas, 2006

Barnes & Noble Geographica, The Complete Illustrated Atlas of the World, 2002

Barnes & Noble, The Essential Atlas of the World, 2005

Covent Garden Books, World Reference Atlas, 2004

Harper Collins, Concise World Atlas, 2004

Scholastic, Atlas of the World, 2003

Chambers, Reference Atlas, 2005

Hammond, Odyssey World Atlas, 2006

So this is why I chose Wilhelm. Who should decide the continents? A marketing person? an engineer? a landscaper? a mountain climber? a hiker?

Or is it the cartographers and atlas makers? After all, they are the body that decided there are 7 continents to begin with, deciding that Europe and Asia are 2 separate continents - and we all accept this. When I was researching Kosciusko and Carstensz, the above atlases and websites is what I found.

How can they ALL be wrong? I do not understand????????

DO WE ACCEPT ALL 3 VERSIONS? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

John Christiana
San Francisco, CA
The traditional view of the continents is to leave Australia by itself, which would make Kosciusko the continental HP. This we know already. However, the 'island' of Australia is connected to the island of New Guinea (on which Irian Jaya and Papua New Guinea sit) by a very shallow sea shelf - they are essentially one continental land mass, especially if the oceans were about 200 feet shallower. Most maps with good sea topography will show this clearly. The rest of Indonesia is separated from New Guines Island/Irian Jaya by very deep ocean trenches. To me, this gives some credence for giving the nod to Carstensz as the Australia/NG macrocontinent HP.

I think, however, that there are many very valid ways to define a continent, going beyond just the land mass metric. There are cultural, natural and political reasons to separate out the various continents. It happens to be convenient that the two Americas are separated by the Panama Isthmus and similarly Africa from Asia via the Sinai, but as we know the conundrum will never end with Europe from Asia. It may be viable to argue that Australia and New Guinea are one continental land mass, but from a natural and political angle, the two lands are entirely different from one another.

I just don't ever see a once-and-for-all definition forthcoming.
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Joined: January 21st, 2004, 3:15 pm

January 27th, 2008, 6:25 am #4

There is an interesting discussion of continents on Wikipedia.

Linking Carstenz to Australia requires tectonic plate reasoning. Using that reasoning, then we'd combine Europe & Asia. We should create a list based on all 13 or so tectonic plates. We could create submerged objectives for the wet plates.

map of tectonic plates:

<img src="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/volc/fig37.htm ... image&cd=2" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/volc/fig37.gif ... image&cd=2
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