Frenulum Breve?

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4:50 AM - Mar 19, 2011 #1

So basically, after a couple weeks of stretching (I think I have phimosis), I finally got my foreskin to let my head come partially through. However, I don't know how much the frenulum actually stretches (or if it does at all). My foreskin comes about a centimeter or a centimeter and a half down the head when flaccid, and then I see a red thing connected from the foreskin tip to the penis. I'm pretty sure this is the frenulum, but I heard it's supposed to let you pull your foreskin down all way behind your glans.

I'm not sure if it stretches at all, and I'm afraid to pull it down farther for fear of it breaking.
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5:06 AM - Mar 19, 2011 #2

As long as you don't cause pain, the frenulum is safe.

Do this for your opening:

http://pages.suddenlink.net/manual_meth ... mosis.html

For the frenulum, do this:



Follow the guidelines listed on the page for the opening.
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5:08 AM - Mar 19, 2011 #3

So basically, after a couple weeks of stretching (I think I have phimosis), I finally got my foreskin to let my head come partially through. However, I don't know how much the frenulum actually stretches (or if it does at all). My foreskin comes about a centimeter or a centimeter and a half down the head when flaccid, and then I see a red thing connected from the foreskin tip to the penis. I'm pretty sure this is the frenulum, but I heard it's supposed to let you pull your foreskin down all way behind your glans.

I'm not sure if it stretches at all, and I'm afraid to pull it down farther for fear of it breaking.
To add on, my foreskin has its opening on one side, much like the picture for phimosis in wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phimosis
Will this affect any stretching or sex? Is there anything I can do about this?


Since I'm barely 14, I never thought that this stuff was abnormal; found out about it while doing some shady stuff late one night
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2:21 PM - Mar 19, 2011 #4

Once you get the opening big enough to allow full retraction, the position of the opening should sort out. I'm curious how this effects your stream when you pee.
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2:52 PM - Mar 19, 2011 #5

It's actually ok; basically, all the pee just gets redirected and comes out as a normal stream.

Should I change the way I stretch the frenulum if the foreskin is curved like that?
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8:56 PM - Mar 19, 2011 #6

To add on, my foreskin has its opening on one side, much like the picture for phimosis in wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phimosis
Will this affect any stretching or sex? Is there anything I can do about this?


Since I'm barely 14, I never thought that this stuff was abnormal; found out about it while doing some shady stuff late one night
Do be careful what you read.

While the Wikipedia article is reasonably conservative (i.e., does not blatantly recommend circumcision), it is anything but "balanced" or strictly accurate as a consequence of systematic "white-anting" by circumcision enthusiasts (as can be discerned with some persistence from its history record) - for example the rather perverse "male-initiation" site is cited, but the citation for this site is persistently removed.

If you are not aware of it, you can easily be influenced by the subtle machinations of these circumcision enthusiasts.

I would not be concerned at all about a degree of asymmetry of your foreskin. Presupposing your answer to Jim's question, I imagine that when less than fully erect, your "acroposthion" - the part of the foreskin extending beyond the glans - is normally aligned allowing you to pee with reasonable convenience and accuracy and only pulls to the side when you are fully erect. It certainly will not affect the efficacy of stretching either the opening or your frænulum.

Now as to what to do at this point, you need to stretch the opening and the frænulum. What Jim has illustrated is the basics of this, but I admonish you - as always - to do a lot of reading through this discussion board (and be very cautious about taking notice of other information sources including Wikipedia, albeit it has some good illustrations) to get the full picture of the process. You will most certainly need to put more work into stretching the frænulum - carefully but persistently - as it will actually need to be stretched to a greater degree (that is, it has to grow much more in proportion or "percentage-wise",) than the opening of your foreskin.

There are some ambit questions that I tend to ask regarding the "discovery" of phimosis. The first is as to exactly how you discovered it - what was it you viewed on that "shady stuff" that caused you to realise that you were not quite "normal"? Significantly, what factors about your upbringing prevented you from learning about the full function of the penis and foreskin - what experiences (of comparison) did you - or did you not - have with other boys?

And the Wikipedia article mentions - quite reasonably at this point - a connection with "masturbation practices that differed from the usual" - would you put yourself in this category? What has your practice been to date and incidentally, how did you originally learn it?

I mention this as part of the "Don't panic" theme. It is vitally important that you do not conclude from the plethora of mis-information available, that there is something "wrong" with you, that you have done anything wrong, that you are "abnormal" or particularly that this problem need in any way restrict your (current or) future sexual activity.

While we clearly would not encourage it in your situation, the fact is that your penis as it stands, would be entirely serviceable for sexual intercourse. In fact, that your foreskin will not retract to any significant degree whilst erect means that it is protected from being retracted - and causing pain - with any degree of force that would be a part of enjoyable sexual practice. What is the case is that as you proceed with stretching and progress to the point where your foreskin can retract whilst erect but with difficulty or discomfort, it may under those conditions be susceptible to excessively vigorous sexual practices, meaning that you would have to take extra care at least until you have completed the full stretching process.

And incidentally, what we advise in terms of stretching is clearly not what most articles describe; presumably your stretching so far has been simple retraction?
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9:44 PM - Mar 19, 2011 #7

It's actually ok; basically, all the pee just gets redirected and comes out as a normal stream.

Should I change the way I stretch the frenulum if the foreskin is curved like that?
It could be that the frenulum is causing the bend in the "nozzle." Is the opening pointing downward?
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10:24 PM - Mar 19, 2011 #8

Do be careful what you read.

While the Wikipedia article is reasonably conservative (i.e., does not blatantly recommend circumcision), it is anything but "balanced" or strictly accurate as a consequence of systematic "white-anting" by circumcision enthusiasts (as can be discerned with some persistence from its history record) - for example the rather perverse "male-initiation" site is cited, but the citation for this site is persistently removed.

If you are not aware of it, you can easily be influenced by the subtle machinations of these circumcision enthusiasts.

I would not be concerned at all about a degree of asymmetry of your foreskin. Presupposing your answer to Jim's question, I imagine that when less than fully erect, your "acroposthion" - the part of the foreskin extending beyond the glans - is normally aligned allowing you to pee with reasonable convenience and accuracy and only pulls to the side when you are fully erect. It certainly will not affect the efficacy of stretching either the opening or your frænulum.

Now as to what to do at this point, you need to stretch the opening and the frænulum. What Jim has illustrated is the basics of this, but I admonish you - as always - to do a lot of reading through this discussion board (and be very cautious about taking notice of other information sources including Wikipedia, albeit it has some good illustrations) to get the full picture of the process. You will most certainly need to put more work into stretching the frænulum - carefully but persistently - as it will actually need to be stretched to a greater degree (that is, it has to grow much more in proportion or "percentage-wise",) than the opening of your foreskin.

There are some ambit questions that I tend to ask regarding the "discovery" of phimosis. The first is as to exactly how you discovered it - what was it you viewed on that "shady stuff" that caused you to realise that you were not quite "normal"? Significantly, what factors about your upbringing prevented you from learning about the full function of the penis and foreskin - what experiences (of comparison) did you - or did you not - have with other boys?

And the Wikipedia article mentions - quite reasonably at this point - a connection with "masturbation practices that differed from the usual" - would you put yourself in this category? What has your practice been to date and incidentally, how did you originally learn it?

I mention this as part of the "Don't panic" theme. It is vitally important that you do not conclude from the plethora of mis-information available, that there is something "wrong" with you, that you have done anything wrong, that you are "abnormal" or particularly that this problem need in any way restrict your (current or) future sexual activity.

While we clearly would not encourage it in your situation, the fact is that your penis as it stands, would be entirely serviceable for sexual intercourse. In fact, that your foreskin will not retract to any significant degree whilst erect means that it is protected from being retracted - and causing pain - with any degree of force that would be a part of enjoyable sexual practice. What is the case is that as you proceed with stretching and progress to the point where your foreskin can retract whilst erect but with difficulty or discomfort, it may under those conditions be susceptible to excessively vigorous sexual practices, meaning that you would have to take extra care at least until you have completed the full stretching process.

And incidentally, what we advise in terms of stretching is clearly not what most articles describe; presumably your stretching so far has been simple retraction?
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions;

At Jim, my nozzle or acropostion is facing mostly to the right, but still a slight bit downwards.

My previous masturbation techniques included taking my penis and laying facedown on a mattress, discovered when I was only 4 or 5.

The reason this was brought to my attention was that I realized my penis did not have the overall shape of a normal one (I could not see what I would now know is the glans). Doing some basic research, I feared I had some sort of extreme abnormality until I discovered that the condition that best described what happened was phimosis.

Don't worry; I would not call myself blatently uneducated about this. I realize that circumcision is nowhere near the best course of action.

However, my acroposition does indeed face to the right when my penis is unerect; it actually becomes more directed forwards when erect. For this reason, I do not know how I should proceed with the stretching of my frenulum.
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11:37 AM - Mar 20, 2011 #9

Do be careful what you read.

While the Wikipedia article is reasonably conservative (i.e., does not blatantly recommend circumcision), it is anything but "balanced" or strictly accurate as a consequence of systematic "white-anting" by circumcision enthusiasts (as can be discerned with some persistence from its history record) - for example the rather perverse "male-initiation" site is cited, but the citation for this site is persistently removed.

If you are not aware of it, you can easily be influenced by the subtle machinations of these circumcision enthusiasts.

I would not be concerned at all about a degree of asymmetry of your foreskin. Presupposing your answer to Jim's question, I imagine that when less than fully erect, your "acroposthion" - the part of the foreskin extending beyond the glans - is normally aligned allowing you to pee with reasonable convenience and accuracy and only pulls to the side when you are fully erect. It certainly will not affect the efficacy of stretching either the opening or your frænulum.

Now as to what to do at this point, you need to stretch the opening and the frænulum. What Jim has illustrated is the basics of this, but I admonish you - as always - to do a lot of reading through this discussion board (and be very cautious about taking notice of other information sources including Wikipedia, albeit it has some good illustrations) to get the full picture of the process. You will most certainly need to put more work into stretching the frænulum - carefully but persistently - as it will actually need to be stretched to a greater degree (that is, it has to grow much more in proportion or "percentage-wise",) than the opening of your foreskin.

There are some ambit questions that I tend to ask regarding the "discovery" of phimosis. The first is as to exactly how you discovered it - what was it you viewed on that "shady stuff" that caused you to realise that you were not quite "normal"? Significantly, what factors about your upbringing prevented you from learning about the full function of the penis and foreskin - what experiences (of comparison) did you - or did you not - have with other boys?

And the Wikipedia article mentions - quite reasonably at this point - a connection with "masturbation practices that differed from the usual" - would you put yourself in this category? What has your practice been to date and incidentally, how did you originally learn it?

I mention this as part of the "Don't panic" theme. It is vitally important that you do not conclude from the plethora of mis-information available, that there is something "wrong" with you, that you have done anything wrong, that you are "abnormal" or particularly that this problem need in any way restrict your (current or) future sexual activity.

While we clearly would not encourage it in your situation, the fact is that your penis as it stands, would be entirely serviceable for sexual intercourse. In fact, that your foreskin will not retract to any significant degree whilst erect means that it is protected from being retracted - and causing pain - with any degree of force that would be a part of enjoyable sexual practice. What is the case is that as you proceed with stretching and progress to the point where your foreskin can retract whilst erect but with difficulty or discomfort, it may under those conditions be susceptible to excessively vigorous sexual practices, meaning that you would have to take extra care at least until you have completed the full stretching process.

And incidentally, what we advise in terms of stretching is clearly not what most articles describe; presumably your stretching so far has been simple retraction?
Well, I suppose you answered some of my questions.

Not surprisingly, you describe the technique of "humping" which utilises - indeed, tends to almost require a non-retractile foreskin. It is reasonable to say it does not favour retraction, but in itself it does not prevent it. And this method is certainly one more readily discovered for oneself in the absence of demonstrations by others.

Indeed I discussed it a short while back in this thread - pardon the picture of surgical instruments!

OK, well those instruments would certainly make the task easier (), but the "long and short of it" is - the minor asymmetry of your foreskin really has no bearing on either the method or the effectiveness of stretching your foreskin and frænulum. I do hope you have already started on the frænulum stretching as described here - while you spend a few hours reading back through dozens of discussions.

Again, it follows from the law of averages that almost all fellows who come here for advice are not particularly abnormal or "deformed" and you are no different. This problem is better described as "developmental delay" and simply needs to be managed as such.
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5:17 PM - Mar 20, 2011 #10

Thank you for answering my questions; this is very reassuring to me.

When doing the frenulum stretch, because of the asymmetry, I can't exactly tell when I'm actually stretching the frenulum or not. Should I basically just pull outwards and downwards until I feel a slight tension?
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