Seven Men Named Jesus

Seven Men Named Jesus

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April 11th, 2011, 3:22 pm #1

Seven Men Named Jesus
By Jack Kelley

A recent poll claimed that about half of all professing Christians don't believe that Jesus is God, or that the Holy Spirit and Satan even exist. Smaller but still significant percentages don't believe that Jesus lived a sin free life or that He is the only way to salvation. This has prompted questions about whether this means they arent really saved. I remembered an article on this subject that I wrote a number of years ago and in response to these questions I have updated and expanded it. I believe it will explain what you have to believe about Jesus to be saved. Lets read it.

The Other Six

Ever suspect while talking with someone that you may have a mutual friend? Then as you get further into the conversation you realize that you are describing two different people who happen to have the same name? So it is with discussions of Jesus. The name's the same but the descriptions vary widely. Over the years I've collected numerous descriptions of men named Jesus. Which one do you know?

First there's the Jesus of Judaism. He's known in Jewish writings as the illegitimate son of Miriam (Mary). He lived in the first century CE (they don't use AD) and led people away from main stream Judaism into a cult. His followers were first called Netzerim (people of the branch) and later Christians. In his name Jews have been persecuted unmercifully over the centuries. Jews who admit to believing He was their Messiah are often considered dead to their families. Jews don't believe in a second coming because they dont believe there's been a first one.

Then you have the Jesus of Islam. He was a prophet and teacher on a par with Mohammed. His role was to help prepare people for the great leader from Allah coming at the end of time to judge the world. He was born of a virgin but was not the son of God because the Quran says "God begets not, nor is he begotten." He didn't die for the sins of the people because in Islam salvation comes from good works. Neither was he resurrected. Instead, in a time of confusion God took him alive into heaven and someone else was crucified. He will return at the end of the age to defeat the anti-Christ, call everyone to Islam, and prepare the world for judgment.

The Jesus of Mormonism is the spirit brother of Lucifer. Both are sons of a god who was once a man and one of his many wives. This Jesus became a human as the result of a sexual union between the Mormon god and an unmarried Jewish girl named Mary. He's often called the Savior but never Lord, because although he's one of god's sons, hes not god. If he determines that you've done everything you possibly can to earn your own salvation and are still short, he'll graciously make up the difference. He'll return at the End of the Age, having protected his saints through the time of Great Tribulation, to set up his kingdom.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have a Jesus too. He's a son of Jehovah, but He's not God. Rather, he was a perfect man just like Adam originally was. Before he became a man he was the Archangel Michael, who The Witnesses believe to be Jehovah's first created being. Just believing in Jesus is not enough to save us. we also have to become a Jehovah's Witness, be baptized, and obey God's laws all of our life to prove ourselves worthy. Their Jesus wasn't physically resurrected, but came back to life in Spirit form. He returned to Earth in Spirit form in 1914 and will become a physical being again at Armageddon.

Then there's the Jesus of the liberal denominations. He's a first century man who lived an exemplary life of such gentleness and grace that it was almost as if he was God. He'll see that everyone who joins their denominations gets accepted into heaven whether they're born again or not. Some proponents of liberal theology claim that he'll also see that everyone who was sincere in whatever other religion they practiced will get to heaven too. For the most part, liberal denominations don't believe in the literal fulfillment of End Time events. For many, the 2nd Coming happened to each person when they first believed in Jesus.

The New Age Jesus is really one of the oldest. He originally appeared in first century Gnosticism. This Jesus was a man who like 40 other "ascended masters" holds the key to knowledge (gnosis) that when learned will bring about the next phase of human evolution, a spiritual growth that will finally make peace on earth possible. He didnt die for our sins because there's no need for us to be saved.

You'll find variations on these six themes in nearly every major religion and cult around today. It seems every body wants you to think they know a man named Jesus, even if they have to redefine him to suit their beliefs.

The Real Jesus

But there is one more man named Jesus. He is not a created being. On the contrary He is our Creator. As Paul wrote in Colossians 1:16, By him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Hes not an angel and hes not a mere man, because He created both. The archangel Michael might be the first created being, but if he is, Jesus is the one who created him. And Lucifer may have many brothers, but if he does, Jesus created them all.

This is the Jesus of the Bible. He claimed to be God in the form of man (John 10:30 and 14:9). Men who knew Him agreed. Paul taught the Deity of Jesus in Colossians 1:15-16. So did John (John 1:1-3). The writer of the Book of Hebrews also agreed (Heb. 1:3) and included a quote from Psalm 45:6-7 that shows God Himself addressing Jesus as God (Heb. 1:8). And this is not just a New Testament idea. In his prophecy of the Messiahs birthplace, Micah said He was an eternal being whose goings forth were from days of eternity. Literally from before time and perpetual. (Micah 5:2) He is the eternal God.

Here's where your knowledge of Scripture becomes really important, because in order to be all the Bible claims, Jesus has to be both 100% man and 100% God. If He isn't a man He couldn't have been made like us in every way and suffered our temptations as Heb. 2:17-18 claim; he couldn't be our High Priest as Heb. 4:14-15 assert; and he can't be our redeemer because he wouldn't be our next of kin as required by Lev. 25:47-48 and explained in Rom 5:18-19. If He isn't God He couldnt be King David's Lord (Matt 22:41-45) He couldn't be sinless (Rom 3:20) and He couldn't be our Savior (Mark 2:6-12 and 1 Pet. 1: 18-21).

Is This a Cult?

Three things distinguish Christian cult beliefs from orthodox theology. The cults deny the doctrine of salvation by grace alone. You have to earn at least part of the salvation they offer. They also deny the notion of eternal punishment for sin. Everyone goes to some kind of Heaven. And most importantly, they deny the deity (state of being God) of Jesus. They portray Him as a great man and role model; a great teacher, a prophet, even a social revolutionary, but certainly not God.

In truth Jesus was all of that. But He was also much more. He was God in the form of man; the Father dwelling in the Son (Col 1:19). To think of Jesus as anyone other than God is to reject the truth concerning Him revealed through out His Word, and to put yourself at risk of trusting in the wrong Jesus for your eternal destiny. The Jesus of the Bible is the only one of the seven men named Jesus who is able to save you. Selah 05-02-09

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April 11th, 2011, 3:38 pm #2

yes, these are seven understandings of Jesus, plus the "personal interpretations on top of those" that happens when the carnal mind tries to understand Jesus:


in truth however, the way the TRUE JESUS reveals himself is not as the Church teaches: It is more than a mere belief because devils can believe.......

it is BELIEF based on faith and it is written that JESUS is the author and finisher of our faith:

this means Jesus himself has to give you faith (seed) that has to grow in the good ground (Mark 4) before it will bring forth the WHOLE NEW MAN (30, 60, 100 fold) return:

Saul thought he knew Jesus but Jesus revealed himself to Saul to make him Paul:

Jesus Christ was REVEALED to Peter from heaven as well, as per Jesus own words; the father reveals this to us to return us to the Father....


the revelation of Jesus takes away all false ideas or vain imaginations of Jesus....


this is why Jesus said, "YE SHALL BE WITNESSES OF ME"


a witness sees something and doesn't just believe something


a witness can share the experience of seeing with another and if the other doesn't believe an eye witness then he doesn't:


but to believe a belief is just not enough.......even for God who reveals himself in due time to every eye

since it is written, every eye shall see him, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess Jesus to the glory of the FATHER

so then what is belief in Jesus?

it is given to those who are ready to receive the seed of faith.......


if their ground is not able to bring forth the fruit fit for repentance, then the birds (evil spirits) will take it away IMMEDIATELY......


it says the devil comes immediately when the seed or WORD is sown.....


the good ground according to Mark 4 is deep within us, where the Kingdom of heaven is revealed as well



the best we can do is share our witness and encourage others to RETURN, repent, redeem the time of the ego or the false self........so they can receive a revelation of Jesus Christ as well


repentance comes first because without this BAPTISM FROM HEAVEN........Jesus can't prove his authority in us


without repentance, return to the root of your soul, the soul can NOT RISE ABOVE THE EGO so that it can have Jesus Christ revealed as the 'seed of the woman or soul" which is the GOOD GROUND in us:



the ego is the other three levels of ground which is why we have to DIG up the fallow ground:
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April 11th, 2011, 4:16 pm #3

Seven Men Named Jesus
By Jack Kelley

A recent poll claimed that about half of all professing Christians don't believe that Jesus is God, or that the Holy Spirit and Satan even exist. Smaller but still significant percentages don't believe that Jesus lived a sin free life or that He is the only way to salvation. This has prompted questions about whether this means they arent really saved. I remembered an article on this subject that I wrote a number of years ago and in response to these questions I have updated and expanded it. I believe it will explain what you have to believe about Jesus to be saved. Lets read it.

The Other Six

Ever suspect while talking with someone that you may have a mutual friend? Then as you get further into the conversation you realize that you are describing two different people who happen to have the same name? So it is with discussions of Jesus. The name's the same but the descriptions vary widely. Over the years I've collected numerous descriptions of men named Jesus. Which one do you know?

First there's the Jesus of Judaism. He's known in Jewish writings as the illegitimate son of Miriam (Mary). He lived in the first century CE (they don't use AD) and led people away from main stream Judaism into a cult. His followers were first called Netzerim (people of the branch) and later Christians. In his name Jews have been persecuted unmercifully over the centuries. Jews who admit to believing He was their Messiah are often considered dead to their families. Jews don't believe in a second coming because they dont believe there's been a first one.

Then you have the Jesus of Islam. He was a prophet and teacher on a par with Mohammed. His role was to help prepare people for the great leader from Allah coming at the end of time to judge the world. He was born of a virgin but was not the son of God because the Quran says "God begets not, nor is he begotten." He didn't die for the sins of the people because in Islam salvation comes from good works. Neither was he resurrected. Instead, in a time of confusion God took him alive into heaven and someone else was crucified. He will return at the end of the age to defeat the anti-Christ, call everyone to Islam, and prepare the world for judgment.

The Jesus of Mormonism is the spirit brother of Lucifer. Both are sons of a god who was once a man and one of his many wives. This Jesus became a human as the result of a sexual union between the Mormon god and an unmarried Jewish girl named Mary. He's often called the Savior but never Lord, because although he's one of god's sons, hes not god. If he determines that you've done everything you possibly can to earn your own salvation and are still short, he'll graciously make up the difference. He'll return at the End of the Age, having protected his saints through the time of Great Tribulation, to set up his kingdom.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have a Jesus too. He's a son of Jehovah, but He's not God. Rather, he was a perfect man just like Adam originally was. Before he became a man he was the Archangel Michael, who The Witnesses believe to be Jehovah's first created being. Just believing in Jesus is not enough to save us. we also have to become a Jehovah's Witness, be baptized, and obey God's laws all of our life to prove ourselves worthy. Their Jesus wasn't physically resurrected, but came back to life in Spirit form. He returned to Earth in Spirit form in 1914 and will become a physical being again at Armageddon.

Then there's the Jesus of the liberal denominations. He's a first century man who lived an exemplary life of such gentleness and grace that it was almost as if he was God. He'll see that everyone who joins their denominations gets accepted into heaven whether they're born again or not. Some proponents of liberal theology claim that he'll also see that everyone who was sincere in whatever other religion they practiced will get to heaven too. For the most part, liberal denominations don't believe in the literal fulfillment of End Time events. For many, the 2nd Coming happened to each person when they first believed in Jesus.

The New Age Jesus is really one of the oldest. He originally appeared in first century Gnosticism. This Jesus was a man who like 40 other "ascended masters" holds the key to knowledge (gnosis) that when learned will bring about the next phase of human evolution, a spiritual growth that will finally make peace on earth possible. He didnt die for our sins because there's no need for us to be saved.

You'll find variations on these six themes in nearly every major religion and cult around today. It seems every body wants you to think they know a man named Jesus, even if they have to redefine him to suit their beliefs.

The Real Jesus

But there is one more man named Jesus. He is not a created being. On the contrary He is our Creator. As Paul wrote in Colossians 1:16, By him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Hes not an angel and hes not a mere man, because He created both. The archangel Michael might be the first created being, but if he is, Jesus is the one who created him. And Lucifer may have many brothers, but if he does, Jesus created them all.

This is the Jesus of the Bible. He claimed to be God in the form of man (John 10:30 and 14:9). Men who knew Him agreed. Paul taught the Deity of Jesus in Colossians 1:15-16. So did John (John 1:1-3). The writer of the Book of Hebrews also agreed (Heb. 1:3) and included a quote from Psalm 45:6-7 that shows God Himself addressing Jesus as God (Heb. 1:8). And this is not just a New Testament idea. In his prophecy of the Messiahs birthplace, Micah said He was an eternal being whose goings forth were from days of eternity. Literally from before time and perpetual. (Micah 5:2) He is the eternal God.

Here's where your knowledge of Scripture becomes really important, because in order to be all the Bible claims, Jesus has to be both 100% man and 100% God. If He isn't a man He couldn't have been made like us in every way and suffered our temptations as Heb. 2:17-18 claim; he couldn't be our High Priest as Heb. 4:14-15 assert; and he can't be our redeemer because he wouldn't be our next of kin as required by Lev. 25:47-48 and explained in Rom 5:18-19. If He isn't God He couldnt be King David's Lord (Matt 22:41-45) He couldn't be sinless (Rom 3:20) and He couldn't be our Savior (Mark 2:6-12 and 1 Pet. 1: 18-21).

Is This a Cult?

Three things distinguish Christian cult beliefs from orthodox theology. The cults deny the doctrine of salvation by grace alone. You have to earn at least part of the salvation they offer. They also deny the notion of eternal punishment for sin. Everyone goes to some kind of Heaven. And most importantly, they deny the deity (state of being God) of Jesus. They portray Him as a great man and role model; a great teacher, a prophet, even a social revolutionary, but certainly not God.

In truth Jesus was all of that. But He was also much more. He was God in the form of man; the Father dwelling in the Son (Col 1:19). To think of Jesus as anyone other than God is to reject the truth concerning Him revealed through out His Word, and to put yourself at risk of trusting in the wrong Jesus for your eternal destiny. The Jesus of the Bible is the only one of the seven men named Jesus who is able to save you. Selah 05-02-09

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If you are placing your trust in any other "Jesus" than the REAL Jesus, then you are lost, for your counterfeit Jesus cannot save you. Won't you turn to the REAL Jesus today?

Pastor Jack Howell

"Some bring God's curse on them by marking off part of the Bible, calling it erroneous, uninspired, less than the very Word of God." - Dr. John R. Rice

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)



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Some 2000 years ago a Jewish carpenter who was his own father -a bearded, robed, invisible male who lives in the sky watching and judging everything you do- became a zombie and hence can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master/saviour so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in all humans because a rib-woman was once convinced by a talking snake to eat some fruit from a magical tree that stood in a greenery.

Of course.....

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The Illusive Jesus/Christ

There is this supernatural man, Jesus, born of a virgin, traveling the country-side, who: performs miracles; starts a movement; is a nuisance to Romans and Jews alike; is killed; comes back to life again, and all the while  supernatural occurences directly related to this supernatural man's existence take place. A remarkable person like this doesn't go unnoticed, neither do directly related and even so remarkle, supernatural events. Yet, independent, contemporary commentators/historians - all of them - somehow decide to not note it down?

"The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." - The bible

The NT

According to the NT, a supernatural Jesus the Christ was a historical person. When trying to substantiate that claim, it proves problematic due to the lack of independent, contemporary; i.e., during-the-events, corroborating, verifiable accounts of a supernatural Jesus the Christ as portrayed (in the NT).

It appears impossible to produce demonstrable, firsthand witness accounts outside the NT gospels about a historical and supernatural Jesus the Christ as portrayed in the NT. Nor do we seem to have self-written manuscripts, works of carpentry, dwellings etc., i.e., proven artifacts. By the looks of it, there is no demonstrable trace of this supernatural person himself.  All we have are after-the-event accounts ... which should stem from during-the-event acounts ... which do not seem to exist. ~8^\

Even though the writings of several independent, contemporary commentators/historians have survived and remain to form a library available for perusal, there's not a single sentence of this supernatural Jesus and/or the supernatural occurences directly related to this supernatural man's existence.

Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny (the Younger), Suetonius et al

Even when the passages apparently referring to Jesus/Christ are genuine, none of them qualify as personal, eyewitness testimonies of the alleged authors themselves in respect to a historical and supernatural Jesus the Christ as portrayed in the NT.

The main problem here is that none of the authors, as their birth dates affirm, lived during the purported advent of a supernatural Jesus the Christ. Their words therefore, qualify as hearsay - which explains how come none of them claim they have personally met or witnessed a supernatural Jesus the Christ - because what they are saying is what was being said. These authors share this characteristic with the gospel authors.

The Gospels

The gospels are not signed and - except for an introduction in "Luke" - in which it is also stated what follows is hearsay - are written in the third person perspective. The authors, blatantly, never situate themselves within the unfolding narrative nor give any hint they themselves were involved in the events described. Several narratives even involve Jesus by himself, i.e., without any witnesses present. ~8^\

- <strong>hearsay</strong>: unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another; not part of one's direct knowledge

 'Every time we read in ecclesial books a tale of which its reality seems impossible; a story defying reason and common sense, be assured the tale to be an allegory; containing a universal truth or two, and the greater the absurdity of the tale, the deeper the possible wisdom.'


 

Appendix

Silent Witnesses

Aren't there any potential witnesses then who had an interest in noting down the exceptional adventures of Jesus and his band of merry men as they happened?

Yes, there are, a few, such as Philo, Justus of Tiberias, Pliny the Elder, Martial, Juvenal, Epictetus, Seneca, Plutarch, Quintilian ... and all are silent on the matter. One of them is particulary interesting.

Hellenistic Jewish historian and philosopher Philo (of Alexandria) (25 B.C.E.-47 C.E.) living at the purported time of Jesus; a contemporary therefore, and at the right place; Jerusalem thus, is someone, given the nature of his works; the main themes of biblical thought : the relation of God and man, one would expect to mention a supernatural person of his time in direct relation to God. Yet, Philo, of all people, who had all the reasons to comment upon a god-man of his time, makes no mention of a supernatural Jesus the Christ whatsoever.

As it so happens then, we have an excellent witness to the events in Judaea and the Jewish diaspora in the first half of the first century CE.

Yet, Philo says not a word about a supernatural Jesus the Christ, Christianity, nor any of the related, supernatural, events described in the New Testament. In all his work, Philo - of whom we have no demonstrable reasons why he would not - makes not a single reference to this alleged contemporary "Jesus the Christ"; the godman, who supposedly was traveling up and down the Levant, purportedly performing all kinds of miracles, apparently got himself killed and assumably came back to life again.

Odd, very odd, but only if we believe a supernatural Jesus and his merry men existed and that they established the church. Then again, when we recognize that the Christian fable was still at an early stage of development when Philo was pondering the relationship of God and man, there is nothing strange here at all.

We have thus returned to square one: the lack of independent, contemporary, verifiable documentation of firsthand, during-the-event accounts outside the NT leading to the doubt about a historical and supernatural Jesus the Christ as portrayed in the NT.

And thats what happens when a beautiful theory meets a brutal gang of facts. 
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April 11th, 2011, 4:29 pm #4

ME........I CLAIM TO BE AN EYE WITNESS AND YOU IGNORE IT OUT OF SHEER CONVIENCE........


but I know you feel your words should be accounted as something???


why?

all your doing is giving us examples of what someone else wrote down too:

just because you are not a witness of Jesus, doesn't mean NOBODY ever was and still is

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday TODAY and forever because he always COMES THE SAME WAY


even if ones ego can't see that written down by those who were eye witnesses of him


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April 11th, 2011, 4:39 pm #5


 

Those who assert must prove.

The "burden of proof" is placed on the affirmative; it lies with those who present or advocate claims something is this or that - it lies not with those who question those claims, possibly offering evidence in support which they don't even have to. ( Shifting the burden of proof then, is not an option. We do not prove negatives, we prove positives - and somehow I don't think that counter-claims precede the claims they counter. <img alt="happy.gif" src="http://www.network54.com/images/happy.gif" width="14" height="14"> )

When the burden of proof is not met, the claims remain what they are: claims, and claimee isn't saying much other than implying "I do not fathom I'm supposed to demonstrate true what I claim as true". After all, affirmative positions without (conclusive) evidence (empirical, anecdotal or both), can be dismissed the same way.


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April 11th, 2011, 4:52 pm #6

but you can't really PROVE your claims either just because you quote a bunch of people that you THINK make more sense to you:

I don't ask you to prove it however because those sources you use don't qualify as truth to me:

oh well

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April 11th, 2011, 5:06 pm #7


 

.... but erm ... "my claims"?

What claims?
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April 11th, 2011, 8:25 pm #8

Well, if Jack is right about Jesus being God Father Creator, then Jack's god has a SERIOUS multiple personality disorder.

He doesn't know as much as himself.
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

He has no idea who he is.
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

And then he is pleading and begging to himself.
Matthew27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Not to mention JVH's point of him being his own father.

The Trinity is hogwash.
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April 11th, 2011, 9:57 pm #9

the word takes all need for us to think about it:

spiritually SPEAKING we are all one....which is why it is written, GOD IS ONE AND HIS NAME IS ONE


God is bringing us back to this unity, and Jesus is the way back:

To miss Jesus is to miss why he is able to bring us back to the FATHER.......



father in corporeal terms seems like a different person than the son, but that is also not true since the son is from the fathers body


spiritually it is simply true that the SON is in the FATHER.......never leaves him.....which is why it is written that GOD IS MANIFEST IN FLESH



trying to make sense of the WORD with the carnal mind causes all these problems Tim


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April 12th, 2011, 1:26 am #10

Seven Men Named Jesus
By Jack Kelley

A recent poll claimed that about half of all professing Christians don't believe that Jesus is God, or that the Holy Spirit and Satan even exist. Smaller but still significant percentages don't believe that Jesus lived a sin free life or that He is the only way to salvation. This has prompted questions about whether this means they arent really saved. I remembered an article on this subject that I wrote a number of years ago and in response to these questions I have updated and expanded it. I believe it will explain what you have to believe about Jesus to be saved. Lets read it.

The Other Six

Ever suspect while talking with someone that you may have a mutual friend? Then as you get further into the conversation you realize that you are describing two different people who happen to have the same name? So it is with discussions of Jesus. The name's the same but the descriptions vary widely. Over the years I've collected numerous descriptions of men named Jesus. Which one do you know?

First there's the Jesus of Judaism. He's known in Jewish writings as the illegitimate son of Miriam (Mary). He lived in the first century CE (they don't use AD) and led people away from main stream Judaism into a cult. His followers were first called Netzerim (people of the branch) and later Christians. In his name Jews have been persecuted unmercifully over the centuries. Jews who admit to believing He was their Messiah are often considered dead to their families. Jews don't believe in a second coming because they dont believe there's been a first one.

Then you have the Jesus of Islam. He was a prophet and teacher on a par with Mohammed. His role was to help prepare people for the great leader from Allah coming at the end of time to judge the world. He was born of a virgin but was not the son of God because the Quran says "God begets not, nor is he begotten." He didn't die for the sins of the people because in Islam salvation comes from good works. Neither was he resurrected. Instead, in a time of confusion God took him alive into heaven and someone else was crucified. He will return at the end of the age to defeat the anti-Christ, call everyone to Islam, and prepare the world for judgment.

The Jesus of Mormonism is the spirit brother of Lucifer. Both are sons of a god who was once a man and one of his many wives. This Jesus became a human as the result of a sexual union between the Mormon god and an unmarried Jewish girl named Mary. He's often called the Savior but never Lord, because although he's one of god's sons, hes not god. If he determines that you've done everything you possibly can to earn your own salvation and are still short, he'll graciously make up the difference. He'll return at the End of the Age, having protected his saints through the time of Great Tribulation, to set up his kingdom.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have a Jesus too. He's a son of Jehovah, but He's not God. Rather, he was a perfect man just like Adam originally was. Before he became a man he was the Archangel Michael, who The Witnesses believe to be Jehovah's first created being. Just believing in Jesus is not enough to save us. we also have to become a Jehovah's Witness, be baptized, and obey God's laws all of our life to prove ourselves worthy. Their Jesus wasn't physically resurrected, but came back to life in Spirit form. He returned to Earth in Spirit form in 1914 and will become a physical being again at Armageddon.

Then there's the Jesus of the liberal denominations. He's a first century man who lived an exemplary life of such gentleness and grace that it was almost as if he was God. He'll see that everyone who joins their denominations gets accepted into heaven whether they're born again or not. Some proponents of liberal theology claim that he'll also see that everyone who was sincere in whatever other religion they practiced will get to heaven too. For the most part, liberal denominations don't believe in the literal fulfillment of End Time events. For many, the 2nd Coming happened to each person when they first believed in Jesus.

The New Age Jesus is really one of the oldest. He originally appeared in first century Gnosticism. This Jesus was a man who like 40 other "ascended masters" holds the key to knowledge (gnosis) that when learned will bring about the next phase of human evolution, a spiritual growth that will finally make peace on earth possible. He didnt die for our sins because there's no need for us to be saved.

You'll find variations on these six themes in nearly every major religion and cult around today. It seems every body wants you to think they know a man named Jesus, even if they have to redefine him to suit their beliefs.

The Real Jesus

But there is one more man named Jesus. He is not a created being. On the contrary He is our Creator. As Paul wrote in Colossians 1:16, By him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Hes not an angel and hes not a mere man, because He created both. The archangel Michael might be the first created being, but if he is, Jesus is the one who created him. And Lucifer may have many brothers, but if he does, Jesus created them all.

This is the Jesus of the Bible. He claimed to be God in the form of man (John 10:30 and 14:9). Men who knew Him agreed. Paul taught the Deity of Jesus in Colossians 1:15-16. So did John (John 1:1-3). The writer of the Book of Hebrews also agreed (Heb. 1:3) and included a quote from Psalm 45:6-7 that shows God Himself addressing Jesus as God (Heb. 1:8). And this is not just a New Testament idea. In his prophecy of the Messiahs birthplace, Micah said He was an eternal being whose goings forth were from days of eternity. Literally from before time and perpetual. (Micah 5:2) He is the eternal God.

Here's where your knowledge of Scripture becomes really important, because in order to be all the Bible claims, Jesus has to be both 100% man and 100% God. If He isn't a man He couldn't have been made like us in every way and suffered our temptations as Heb. 2:17-18 claim; he couldn't be our High Priest as Heb. 4:14-15 assert; and he can't be our redeemer because he wouldn't be our next of kin as required by Lev. 25:47-48 and explained in Rom 5:18-19. If He isn't God He couldnt be King David's Lord (Matt 22:41-45) He couldn't be sinless (Rom 3:20) and He couldn't be our Savior (Mark 2:6-12 and 1 Pet. 1: 18-21).

Is This a Cult?

Three things distinguish Christian cult beliefs from orthodox theology. The cults deny the doctrine of salvation by grace alone. You have to earn at least part of the salvation they offer. They also deny the notion of eternal punishment for sin. Everyone goes to some kind of Heaven. And most importantly, they deny the deity (state of being God) of Jesus. They portray Him as a great man and role model; a great teacher, a prophet, even a social revolutionary, but certainly not God.

In truth Jesus was all of that. But He was also much more. He was God in the form of man; the Father dwelling in the Son (Col 1:19). To think of Jesus as anyone other than God is to reject the truth concerning Him revealed through out His Word, and to put yourself at risk of trusting in the wrong Jesus for your eternal destiny. The Jesus of the Bible is the only one of the seven men named Jesus who is able to save you. Selah 05-02-09

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Long time no see.
Still up to your old tricks, eh...?
Just "Cutting-n-Pasting" an article...
With no original comment or commentary...
To go along with it...?

Well, okay...
-- I'll play your silly game.

This article you've posted...
I got about three paragraphs into it...
And I found this...
<blockquote>First there's the Jesus of Judaism. He's known in Jewish writings as the illegitimate son of Miriam (Mary). He lived in the first century CE (they don't use AD) and led people away from main stream Judaism into a cult. His followers were first called Netzerim (people of the branch) and later Christians.
Hmmmm...
The first followers of this "Jesus" character were called...
-- The "Netzerim"...
Which means...
-- The "People of the Branch"...?

Okay...
That causes me to raise a Wonky Eyebrow...
And...
Before we go any further into this article...
It gives me a couple of questions for you...
-- 1) Do you believe THIS PART to be True...?
And...
If you DO believe it...
Then...
-- 2) WHY do you think they were called by this name...?

If you don't believe it...
Then...
I suppose we should all wonder...
-- Why the heck did you bother to post it...?

BTW...
I've already answered Question Two...
A number of times (in this forum alone)...
-- March 16 2010 at 9:44 AM
-- May 17 2010 at 10:46 PM
-- May 19 2010 at 2:27 PM
(No fair peeking though...!)

-PRev1-
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