scientifcally minded people

scientifcally minded people

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February 20th, 2011, 1:16 am #1

people who are against "God" or the "belief" in God, are not very scientific about it:

but that is because they are not scientifically minded about anything, including science
they let "someone" else do their thinking for them and then they decide if they "like" what these people say or if they 'sound' believable.

thats not scientific;

if someone treated the "GOD" as a science, meaning if they tried to PROVE GOD to themselves then they would make more sense instead of just going around saying stuff about what other people have believed or said:


most people don't do any scientific experiments either but let others do and then when science proves them wrong or proves something else more relevant or factual, these same people just jump on another band wagon:


I spent 26 years proving God to myself, and I tried to disprove him with certain things as well or there would have been no real struggle.

God revealed himself to me just as it says he would if we sought for him with our whole heart soul and strength, like most people who are passionate about something go after it


once God revealed HIMSELF to me, I had my proof as if I was in a lab seeking for the answers to the deepest and most profound questions in the universe, and believe me it is the most important question


if you dismiss the importance and work hard to JUMP on the band wagons of those who pretend that they disprove God, you are putting your life in their hands

hopefully it is worth it in the end to you since you will live with what you trust even if you don't know what you are doing......


there is very little scientific action on this forum of scientifically minded people;
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February 20th, 2011, 8:05 am #2


are not very scientific about it

but that is because they are not scientifically minded about anything, including science
they let "someone" else do their thinking for them and then they decide if they "like" what these people say or if they 'sound' believable.

thats not scientific;

if someone treated the "GOD" as a science, meaning if they tried to PROVE GOD to themselves then they would make more sense instead of just going around saying stuff about what other people have believed or said:

most people don't do any scientific experiments either but let others do and then when science proves them wrong or proves something else more relevant or factual, these same people just jump on another band wagon:

...


there is very little scientific action on this forum of scientifically minded people

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The last couple of weeks a 'scientific' experiment was conducted in direct relation to (the theory of) God based upon the propositions (premises) that

God exists, is omni-everything, established its inerranty true word, answers prayers.

<strong>The experiment</strong> shows those God propositions unsound.

 
<p align="center">When some thing happens once, it might be an occurence
<p align="center">When that thing happens twice, it might be a coincidence  
<p align="center">When the same thing happens thrice it is neither an occurence nor a coincidence, it is structural.

-it is not what you (think you) know that matters, it is what you can show true that does
after all, truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true - everything else ... mere opinion-


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February 20th, 2011, 4:03 pm #3

the carnal mind is enmity with God, meaning it is not the 'BASIS' for measuring spiritual reality:


the language of the BIBLE then is not for the mind, but first of all it is a language of the 'heart' and who can measure or "KNOW" the heart of another?


you can say anything about your sincerity but only God is able to look to your heart and not be mocked by what you say. You can even be fooled by your words but God can not.


in summary, the "measuring stick" that you are using to measure Gods existence is FAULTY from the start

its like measuring your weight without the right scale....impossible.

so, to know what the Bible is really saying you have to have a 'measuring' instrument and this is not the ego or mind of man:


whatever man thinks about the Bible is not true;

the BIBLE is a hidden language to the mind


the heart understands it but only if the "HEART" holds the "RIGHT" intention and there is no measuring stick that man has made to measure this except his own intuition


and my intuition says your intention is wrong because it wants to PROVE that reality is limited to your perception of it for everyone


your reality is limited to YOUR PERCEPTION for YOU


not for me or anyone else


now that has been proven scientifically
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February 21st, 2011, 8:09 am #4


 

discussion; communication et al., becomes pointless when people make up their own meanings of definitions or simply redefine them into something hitherto totally unknown to anyone other than themselves - rendering it fiction, by definition; unsubstantiated theory at best. 
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In the realm of reasoning and logic; also called common sense, an argument is a disagreement or a mode of reasoning wherein a set of statements mean to establish a definite proposition while logic serves as the means to evaluate the quality of ratiocination applied within the argument as to determine whether the conclusion reached proves valid, or not.


-it is not what you (think you) know that matters, it is what you can show true that does
after all, truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true - everything else ... mere opinion-


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February 21st, 2011, 1:00 pm #5

without going into your trance, can you respond to this statement....


we each have to live with our "reality" meaning how we define the experience of our lives is how we perceive life to be:


the way you experience it is the way you experience it and if it suits you, meaning if you feel congruent with it, then it is where you are supposed to be right now.


my reality was such that I had to "search" for another definition than the world gave me and I mean all the world because I was a student of philosophy, science, most religions and ancient history, astronomy, and more....

none of them gave me everything that I needed to "feel" FREE wtihin me, like NOW I UNDERSTAND LIFE...


yet this search did bring me to the "INNER JOURNEY" where I did find the EXPERIENCE that made sense of reality.....


here within TRUTH is found


out there all you can find are facts to reason upon

truth has to be EXPERIENCED and you know you find truth when it sets you FREE

free from what?

I could use the word "sin" but this archaic word doesn't fit the bill in this day and age....


sin simply means you err in interpretation of reality

miss the mark so to speak

it has nothing to do with behavior, but with PERCEPTION, discernment


if you miss the mark in discernment then it doesn't matter how you are TRAINED like an animal to behave this way or that way


discernment is the POWER of man and without it, there is NO MAN yet

Man is the image and likeness of God which means he is able to discern the HIGHEST and LOWEST and WIDEST reality possible


so again, are you FREE in your discernment of reality???

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February 21st, 2011, 3:11 pm #6

people who are against "God" or the "belief" in God, are not very scientific about it:

but that is because they are not scientifically minded about anything, including science
they let "someone" else do their thinking for them and then they decide if they "like" what these people say or if they 'sound' believable.

thats not scientific;

if someone treated the "GOD" as a science, meaning if they tried to PROVE GOD to themselves then they would make more sense instead of just going around saying stuff about what other people have believed or said:


most people don't do any scientific experiments either but let others do and then when science proves them wrong or proves something else more relevant or factual, these same people just jump on another band wagon:


I spent 26 years proving God to myself, and I tried to disprove him with certain things as well or there would have been no real struggle.

God revealed himself to me just as it says he would if we sought for him with our whole heart soul and strength, like most people who are passionate about something go after it


once God revealed HIMSELF to me, I had my proof as if I was in a lab seeking for the answers to the deepest and most profound questions in the universe, and believe me it is the most important question


if you dismiss the importance and work hard to JUMP on the band wagons of those who pretend that they disprove God, you are putting your life in their hands

hopefully it is worth it in the end to you since you will live with what you trust even if you don't know what you are doing......


there is very little scientific action on this forum of scientifically minded people;
Yvonne said: people who are against "God" or the "belief" in God, are not very scientific about it:

Sure we are. I just think you don't like the conclusions we are arriving at.

Your claim is that there is an invisible, intelligent entity that created everything. To test your claim scientifically, we will need evidence. Heck, to conduct a scientific experiment regarding ANYTHING, one must have physical, empirical, testable evidence to work with.

If you don't have evidence, then you can't test it scientifically. Period.

Does that mean that your invisible, intelligent entity cannot exist? Of course not. But, we have no evidence to examine, hence the existence/non-existence of your god cannot be tested scientifically.

My belief that your invisible, intelligent entity doesn't exist is based on this lack of evidence.

Yvonne said: but that is because they are not scientifically minded about anything, including science

Excuse my language, but that's pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Yet again, if you don't have evidence, then you can't test it scientifically. Period.

Yvonne said: they let "someone" else do their thinking for them and then they decide if they "like" what these people say or if they 'sound' believable.

Pure, unadulterated bullshit. You see, we went to these buildings called "universities" where these people called "professors" make claims about certain subjects. Then, to support those claims, they lay out the evidence, show us how the experiments proceed, and we get to see the results ourselves.

At least that's how it worked when I went to college.

And that's how I know biology works the way it does, and that it doesn't work the way Creationists claim. Creationists claim that some giant, invisible human male in the sky "poofed" life forms into existence. However, they have no evidence to test this hypothesis.

However, the biologist DOES have evidence to test his hypothesis.

See? Isn't science neat-o?

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February 22nd, 2011, 10:27 am #7

without going into your trance, can you respond to this statement....


we each have to live with our "reality" meaning how we define the experience of our lives is how we perceive life to be:


the way you experience it is the way you experience it and if it suits you, meaning if you feel congruent with it, then it is where you are supposed to be right now.


my reality was such that I had to "search" for another definition than the world gave me and I mean all the world because I was a student of philosophy, science, most religions and ancient history, astronomy, and more....

none of them gave me everything that I needed to "feel" FREE wtihin me, like NOW I UNDERSTAND LIFE...


yet this search did bring me to the "INNER JOURNEY" where I did find the EXPERIENCE that made sense of reality.....


here within TRUTH is found


out there all you can find are facts to reason upon

truth has to be EXPERIENCED and you know you find truth when it sets you FREE

free from what?

I could use the word "sin" but this archaic word doesn't fit the bill in this day and age....


sin simply means you err in interpretation of reality

miss the mark so to speak

it has nothing to do with behavior, but with PERCEPTION, discernment


if you miss the mark in discernment then it doesn't matter how you are TRAINED like an animal to behave this way or that way


discernment is the POWER of man and without it, there is NO MAN yet

Man is the image and likeness of God which means he is able to discern the HIGHEST and LOWEST and WIDEST reality possible


so again, are you FREE in your discernment of reality???
<p align="center"><strong>the tricky part of statements of a transcendent or immaterial nature is that it equals incoherency
as such connotations have no ontological status, i.e., no positive way of identifying them</strong>

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<p align="left">.... it is essential, of course, you asses what is being posed within context.
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<p align="right">When you talk to 'god'
you might be praying
When 'god' talks back to you
you might be schizophrenic
 .....delusional at best



-it is not what you (think you) know that matters, it is what you can show true that does
after all, truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true - everything else ... mere opinion-


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February 22nd, 2011, 12:03 pm #8

Yvonne said: people who are against "God" or the "belief" in God, are not very scientific about it:

Sure we are. I just think you don't like the conclusions we are arriving at.

Your claim is that there is an invisible, intelligent entity that created everything. To test your claim scientifically, we will need evidence. Heck, to conduct a scientific experiment regarding ANYTHING, one must have physical, empirical, testable evidence to work with.

If you don't have evidence, then you can't test it scientifically. Period.

Does that mean that your invisible, intelligent entity cannot exist? Of course not. But, we have no evidence to examine, hence the existence/non-existence of your god cannot be tested scientifically.

My belief that your invisible, intelligent entity doesn't exist is based on this lack of evidence.

Yvonne said: but that is because they are not scientifically minded about anything, including science

Excuse my language, but that's pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Yet again, if you don't have evidence, then you can't test it scientifically. Period.

Yvonne said: they let "someone" else do their thinking for them and then they decide if they "like" what these people say or if they 'sound' believable.

Pure, unadulterated bullshit. You see, we went to these buildings called "universities" where these people called "professors" make claims about certain subjects. Then, to support those claims, they lay out the evidence, show us how the experiments proceed, and we get to see the results ourselves.

At least that's how it worked when I went to college.

And that's how I know biology works the way it does, and that it doesn't work the way Creationists claim. Creationists claim that some giant, invisible human male in the sky "poofed" life forms into existence. However, they have no evidence to test this hypothesis.

However, the biologist DOES have evidence to test his hypothesis.

See? Isn't science neat-o?

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The many 'only, true religions' would gain respect if they submitted their waffle to scientific scrutiny. What they currently claim is patently absurd, yet they all avoid the acid test to determine and reject those that cannot be true.

Unless, of course, Truth encompasses more than one of them, in which case all are phoney or at least mistaken.

This approach would spoil their little game, however.
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February 22nd, 2011, 1:56 pm #9

Seoc said: The many 'only, true religions' would gain respect if they submitted their waffle to scientific scrutiny. What they currently claim is patently absurd, yet they all avoid the acid test to determine and reject those that cannot be true.

Exactly. They avoid the acid test because there's nothing to test. They know what they claim cannot be tested scientifically (unlike real biology), yet they want their faux-beliefs taught in science classes? All while they are rejecting science?

If they're going to reject science, then they can't get their fantasies taught in science class.

And that is what is so ironic about this conversation to begin with. Yvonne rejects science, then tells us we are not being scientific?

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February 22nd, 2011, 2:18 pm #10

without going into your trance, can you respond to this statement....


we each have to live with our "reality" meaning how we define the experience of our lives is how we perceive life to be:


the way you experience it is the way you experience it and if it suits you, meaning if you feel congruent with it, then it is where you are supposed to be right now.


my reality was such that I had to "search" for another definition than the world gave me and I mean all the world because I was a student of philosophy, science, most religions and ancient history, astronomy, and more....

none of them gave me everything that I needed to "feel" FREE wtihin me, like NOW I UNDERSTAND LIFE...


yet this search did bring me to the "INNER JOURNEY" where I did find the EXPERIENCE that made sense of reality.....


here within TRUTH is found


out there all you can find are facts to reason upon

truth has to be EXPERIENCED and you know you find truth when it sets you FREE

free from what?

I could use the word "sin" but this archaic word doesn't fit the bill in this day and age....


sin simply means you err in interpretation of reality

miss the mark so to speak

it has nothing to do with behavior, but with PERCEPTION, discernment


if you miss the mark in discernment then it doesn't matter how you are TRAINED like an animal to behave this way or that way


discernment is the POWER of man and without it, there is NO MAN yet

Man is the image and likeness of God which means he is able to discern the HIGHEST and LOWEST and WIDEST reality possible


so again, are you FREE in your discernment of reality???
Yvonne said: Man is the image and likeness of God

So, your claim is that we (ie: humans) are in in the image and likeness of God. Humans are biological, bipedal primates with a head, 2 arms, 2 legs, and particular sexual reproductive organs dependent on gender.

So, going by your claim that humans are in the image and likeness of God, that means God is a bipedal primate with a head, 2 arms, and 2 legs. It's obvious that if your god exists, then it is not biological, and we can forgo the investigation into it's reproductive organs.

So God is a bipedal primate-like entity.

And how do you know this? Did he appear before you so you could see that we are in the image and likeness of him/her/it?

Did someone tell you that we are in the likeness of God? And after they told you that we are in the likeness of God, what experiments did you conduct to determine the veracity of their claims?

See what I'm doing? A scientific inquiry for evidence. That's how science works. A claim is made by you (that humans are in the image and likeness of God). An analysis of your data and how you came to your conclusion is investigated. Then, after all the evidence is weighed, a hypothesis is put forward, until such time as more evidence arises to re-test the hypothesis.

I know I won't get any rational answers to my questions. I just figured that if you started the conversation about atheists not being very scientific, I would apply your claims to scientific inquiry.

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