Science explains the existence of God.

Science explains the existence of God.

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August 13th, 2012, 6:35 pm #1

Science explains the existence of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNSe4Ff5 ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haBLjVqrrjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbesQQi9yc

Without a personal apotheosis, all who claim that God is real without any personal knowledge --- without a clear logic trail --- are just lying to themselves as well as others.

All who claim a God are also idol worshipping. They have just pasted their bible pages onto a golden calf. They think they have hidden the calfs shape but it is still discernible under the manmade WORD of God. To have a Godinabook is to idol worship.

Most that follow a religion do not really follow it. They only follow tradition and cultures based on old tribal ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2VjdpVonY

Are you an idol worshipper or do you fall under the first links definition?

If not, give the logic trail to your God.

Regards
DL

P. S. Most will see this O P as an attack on those who believe. If you do, then you should know that I am not an atheist but call myself a Gnostic Christian and do believe in a Godhead. It is just not supernatural and is not immoral the way the bible God is portrayed to be.
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August 13th, 2012, 6:42 pm #2

Thanks for contributing!

A Gnostic Christian. Interesting. Look forward to you sharing your beliefs, if that's something you wish to do.

I sometimes identify myself as 'atheist', because it is easier. But I do have a belief in something greater, that this reality displays evidence of intelligence and direction.


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August 13th, 2012, 9:17 pm #3

The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.

Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see Gods killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

I agree that what we see can be mistaken for intelligence but as to direction, not at all. Expand on that notion please?

Regards
DL
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August 14th, 2012, 4:53 am #4

Science explains the existence of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNSe4Ff5 ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haBLjVqrrjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbesQQi9yc

Without a personal apotheosis, all who claim that God is real without any personal knowledge --- without a clear logic trail --- are just lying to themselves as well as others.

All who claim a God are also idol worshipping. They have just pasted their bible pages onto a golden calf. They think they have hidden the calfs shape but it is still discernible under the manmade WORD of God. To have a Godinabook is to idol worship.

Most that follow a religion do not really follow it. They only follow tradition and cultures based on old tribal ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2VjdpVonY

Are you an idol worshipper or do you fall under the first links definition?

If not, give the logic trail to your God.

Regards
DL

P. S. Most will see this O P as an attack on those who believe. If you do, then you should know that I am not an atheist but call myself a Gnostic Christian and do believe in a Godhead. It is just not supernatural and is not immoral the way the bible God is portrayed to be.
 

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as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

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August 14th, 2012, 3:19 pm #5

Thanks for this.

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August 15th, 2012, 12:00 am #6

The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.

Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see Gods killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

I agree that what we see can be mistaken for intelligence but as to direction, not at all. Expand on that notion please?

Regards
DL
Maybe the coincidences that help you or harm you are caused by God, or gods, or some other spirits. And it may depend on what kind of person you are. Do you usually do what God wants you to do? And do you usually NOT do what God does NOT wants you to do? Maybe your wishes/wants are sent out to them automatically without any need for prayers? Maybe some of your own thoughts are messages that are sent to you? Do you usually follow their suggestions?
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August 16th, 2012, 6:46 pm #7

Your post speaks to free will and sin.
You and I cannot help but do evil to the losers we create by competing and must live with it.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or its all mans fault.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.


Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us. Wherever it came from. God or nature.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH#g/c ... F680C1DBEB

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DL
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August 16th, 2012, 6:47 pm #8

Science explains the existence of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNSe4Ff5 ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haBLjVqrrjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbesQQi9yc

Without a personal apotheosis, all who claim that God is real without any personal knowledge --- without a clear logic trail --- are just lying to themselves as well as others.

All who claim a God are also idol worshipping. They have just pasted their bible pages onto a golden calf. They think they have hidden the calfs shape but it is still discernible under the manmade WORD of God. To have a Godinabook is to idol worship.

Most that follow a religion do not really follow it. They only follow tradition and cultures based on old tribal ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2VjdpVonY

Are you an idol worshipper or do you fall under the first links definition?

If not, give the logic trail to your God.

Regards
DL

P. S. Most will see this O P as an attack on those who believe. If you do, then you should know that I am not an atheist but call myself a Gnostic Christian and do believe in a Godhead. It is just not supernatural and is not immoral the way the bible God is portrayed to be.
Let me add this science.

I found this on some of the latest science being done on the God issue and found it quite interesting in terms of how we process information and what happens to our minds when we pray. It, like myself, is not anti-spiritual but tries to show how religions reality works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm971ltF44A

Regards
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August 17th, 2012, 12:54 am #9

Your post speaks to free will and sin.
You and I cannot help but do evil to the losers we create by competing and must live with it.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or its all mans fault.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.


Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us. Wherever it came from. God or nature.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH#g/c ... F680C1DBEB

Regards
DL
Adam/man and Eve (life) is the meaning of the "consciousness" of MAN and LIFE


before this "LIVING SOUL" men were but dust (hence God took the dust (men) and blew his neshama (breath of life) into his nose and he became a LIVING SOUL

now, if you want to DISPROVE that, go for it
every day is a new day to die to the old and live to the newness of life
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August 17th, 2012, 8:14 am #10

Adam/man and Eve (life) is the meaning of the "consciousness" of MAN and LIFE
before this "LIVING SOUL" men were but dust (hence God took the dust (men) and blew his neshama (breath of life) into his nose and he became a LIVING SOUL
now, if you want to DISPROVE that, go for it
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