Paul on women for Bill

Paul on women for Bill

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February 3rd, 2010, 4:20 pm #1

Here's the Biblical facts about Paul via the Holy Spirit. First think of context. You have to be very caucious of those who continually refer to rent-a-brains because they can't think for themselves.

Paul was VERY WELL VERSED on Scripture being originally a well known Pharisee.

Luke the author of the 3rd Synoptic Gospel wrote on Paul quoting him...


Acts 22:3
3 "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated under Gamaliel, strictly according to the law of our fathers, being zealous for God, just as you all are today. (NAS)


Acts 26:4-5
4 "So then, all Jews know my manner of life from my youth up, which from the beginning was spent among my {own} nation and at Jerusalem;
5 since they have known about me for a long time previously, if they are willing to testify, that I lived {as} a Pharisee according to the strictest sect of our religion. (NAS)

RIGHT AWAY we KNOW that Paul was a WELL KNOWN PHARISEE so they also would have known he was WELL VERSED in the Scriptures. (OT)

In the OT, RIGHT at the beginning we see that God provided for the man a HELPER ...NOT a LEADER.


Gen 2:18
18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a HELPER suitable for him." (NAS)

This shows that IN A MARRIAGE SITUATION that the RESPONSIBILITY to provide ALL that is needed in a God glorifying marriage relationship INCLUDING SPIRITUAL LEADERSHIP is given to the HUSBAND. Unfortunately, we can witness even here that some husbands have failed in their responsibility but pass it off trying to blame Paul somehow.

However Bill...we can see this happened right at the time of the fall when Satan went to one of man's weaknesses (WOMEN) to entice her with temptation. If Adam would have been the husband he was CREATED TO BE he would have stepped in RIGHT AWAY in protecting his wife from falling into what God had warned them about. As it was he was not a good husband and not only failed HER but his decision to go with her in wimpy weakness, brought about the spiritual and physical death ALL MANKIND has to suffer through.

So before we get into WHAT Paul says about women, let's think FIRST on what Paul ALREADY KNOWS in it's proper context.











Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal

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February 3rd, 2010, 4:35 pm #2

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February 3rd, 2010, 4:42 pm #3

'Splain please.

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February 3rd, 2010, 4:47 pm #4

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You even say Goddesses have to belong to a God (or antichrist)

'One of............'

'The Great Mother archetypes of native peoples everywhere have been practically exterminated by patriarchal holocausts and colonialism....

The goddess in everyone has been dying, along with creation, Mother Earth and Wisdom....'

"Fundamentalism is patriarchy gone beserk. It is banishment of the mother in us all and in our traditions"


Wo-oh! Thank Wisdom () for Enlightened Christians! They are beginning to Understand.

Nuccy, get with the Beat NOW, dearest friend.

(of course, the enlightened one who said the above was excommunicated......surprise!!!)

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February 3rd, 2010, 4:49 pm #5

'Splain please.

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Oh! Peter Tosh. Yes!! Smile.

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February 3rd, 2010, 5:26 pm #6

You even say Goddesses have to belong to a God (or antichrist)

'One of............'

'The Great Mother archetypes of native peoples everywhere have been practically exterminated by patriarchal holocausts and colonialism....

The goddess in everyone has been dying, along with creation, Mother Earth and Wisdom....'

"Fundamentalism is patriarchy gone beserk. It is banishment of the mother in us all and in our traditions"


Wo-oh! Thank Wisdom () for Enlightened Christians! They are beginning to Understand.

Nuccy, get with the Beat NOW, dearest friend.

(of course, the enlightened one who said the above was excommunicated......surprise!!!)

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You say you're God and yet I still see only one sun when I asked you to create another one and place it beside the one that's there.

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February 3rd, 2010, 5:50 pm #7

Here's the Biblical facts about Paul via the Holy Spirit. First think of context. You have to be very caucious of those who continually refer to rent-a-brains because they can't think for themselves.

Paul was VERY WELL VERSED on Scripture being originally a well known Pharisee.

Luke the author of the 3rd Synoptic Gospel wrote on Paul quoting him...


Acts 22:3
3 "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated under Gamaliel, strictly according to the law of our fathers, being zealous for God, just as you all are today. (NAS)


Acts 26:4-5
4 "So then, all Jews know my manner of life from my youth up, which from the beginning was spent among my {own} nation and at Jerusalem;
5 since they have known about me for a long time previously, if they are willing to testify, that I lived {as} a Pharisee according to the strictest sect of our religion. (NAS)

RIGHT AWAY we KNOW that Paul was a WELL KNOWN PHARISEE so they also would have known he was WELL VERSED in the Scriptures. (OT)

In the OT, RIGHT at the beginning we see that God provided for the man a HELPER ...NOT a LEADER.


Gen 2:18
18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a HELPER suitable for him." (NAS)

This shows that IN A MARRIAGE SITUATION that the RESPONSIBILITY to provide ALL that is needed in a God glorifying marriage relationship INCLUDING SPIRITUAL LEADERSHIP is given to the HUSBAND. Unfortunately, we can witness even here that some husbands have failed in their responsibility but pass it off trying to blame Paul somehow.

However Bill...we can see this happened right at the time of the fall when Satan went to one of man's weaknesses (WOMEN) to entice her with temptation. If Adam would have been the husband he was CREATED TO BE he would have stepped in RIGHT AWAY in protecting his wife from falling into what God had warned them about. As it was he was not a good husband and not only failed HER but his decision to go with her in wimpy weakness, brought about the spiritual and physical death ALL MANKIND has to suffer through.

So before we get into WHAT Paul says about women, let's think FIRST on what Paul ALREADY KNOWS in it's proper context.











Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal
who studied under Gamaliel?

How is it possible then, that Paul didn't understand Hebrew?

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February 3rd, 2010, 6:01 pm #8

You say you're God and yet I still see only one sun when I asked you to create another one and place it beside the one that's there.

Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal
If we are not ALL God, then where did God get 'us' from?

Is not God ALL??

Even if we are little bits of God's spit, we are still God.

(And I already spoke to you about this Sun business in the appropriate post, so you either ignored it or did not see it. Go look! )


Anyway, Nuccy, my MAIN point in the post is that as no one seems to know whether Paul was a liberator or a mysoginist, then THROW HIM OUT!

We don't need him!

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February 3rd, 2010, 6:07 pm #9

Absolute RUBBISH!!

Anyone really take this serious? And if so, why?

Why should ANY man have spiritual LEADERSHIP over the woman?

What a joke........


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February 3rd, 2010, 6:21 pm #10

Here's the Biblical facts about Paul via the Holy Spirit. First think of context. You have to be very caucious of those who continually refer to rent-a-brains because they can't think for themselves.

Paul was VERY WELL VERSED on Scripture being originally a well known Pharisee.

Luke the author of the 3rd Synoptic Gospel wrote on Paul quoting him...


Acts 22:3
3 "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated under Gamaliel, strictly according to the law of our fathers, being zealous for God, just as you all are today. (NAS)


Acts 26:4-5
4 "So then, all Jews know my manner of life from my youth up, which from the beginning was spent among my {own} nation and at Jerusalem;
5 since they have known about me for a long time previously, if they are willing to testify, that I lived {as} a Pharisee according to the strictest sect of our religion. (NAS)

RIGHT AWAY we KNOW that Paul was a WELL KNOWN PHARISEE so they also would have known he was WELL VERSED in the Scriptures. (OT)

In the OT, RIGHT at the beginning we see that God provided for the man a HELPER ...NOT a LEADER.


Gen 2:18
18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a HELPER suitable for him." (NAS)

This shows that IN A MARRIAGE SITUATION that the RESPONSIBILITY to provide ALL that is needed in a God glorifying marriage relationship INCLUDING SPIRITUAL LEADERSHIP is given to the HUSBAND. Unfortunately, we can witness even here that some husbands have failed in their responsibility but pass it off trying to blame Paul somehow.

However Bill...we can see this happened right at the time of the fall when Satan went to one of man's weaknesses (WOMEN) to entice her with temptation. If Adam would have been the husband he was CREATED TO BE he would have stepped in RIGHT AWAY in protecting his wife from falling into what God had warned them about. As it was he was not a good husband and not only failed HER but his decision to go with her in wimpy weakness, brought about the spiritual and physical death ALL MANKIND has to suffer through.

So before we get into WHAT Paul says about women, let's think FIRST on what Paul ALREADY KNOWS in it's proper context.











Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal
After you've given some thought on the ORIGINAL CREATED ROLE for women before the women's libbers jump in, please understand that the ROLE of HELPER God gave for the woman is an HONOURABLE ROLE because man was not able to handle the responsibilities God gave HIM by himself. Therefore GOD PROVIDED THE WOMAN FOR THAT NEED.


Gen 2:18
18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him." (NAS)

Before the libbers jump in, this honourable role for women IN NO WAY disqualifies them as UNEQUAL in HUMANESS. They are equal in ALL WAYS with man INCLUDING BEING SINFUL and falling short in THEIR ROLE.


Rom 3:23
23 for ALL have sinned and FALL SHORT of the glory of God, (NAS)


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As Biblical history moved on we can see that God's CHOSEN NATION "ISRAEL" at times did not walk with God and sinful distorted thoughts began to permeate ALL the people of Israel man AND woman as a consequence of the beginning.


Gen 3:16
16 To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, in pain you shall bring forth children; yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." (NAS)


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Now Bill if I'm incorrect on what SPECIFIC portion of Scripture please redirect me to the ones that confuse YOU.

I'm thinking of the ones in 1 Cor, Eph. 5, Col. 3, 1 Tim 2, Titus , and 1 Peter 3.

Since they are close together, let's look at what Paul says about wives and husbands who want to glorify the God of the Bible in their marriage.


Eph 5:22-25
22 Wives, {be subject} to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself {being} the Savior of the body.
24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives {ought to be} to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her; (NAS)


In verse 22... again in a GOD GLORIFYING MARRIAGE the WIFE is to be subjected to her OWN HUSBAND as to the Lord Himself. However, in vs 23 it clarifies the RESPONSIBILTY of the HUSBAND to his wife to lead her PROPERLY, and TRUTHFULLY, and to PROTECT HER in the same way God does the whole body of TRUE BELIEVERS, (the church).

Vs 24 informs TRUE Christians ESPECIALLY wives who REALLY WANT to glorify God in their marriage to be SUBJECT to their husbands in everything that is intended to TRULY bring glory to God, that includes encouragement, as well as giving correction PRIVATELY to a husband who may wander OFF the path of the goal to bring glory to God.

Vs 25 instructs hubands that TRULY LOVE GOD and want to glorify Him, that they are to LOVE THEIR WIVES with TRUTH and to make sure their religion is not really leading their wives into their own hell. Christ is the TRUTH to the body of believers. The husband's love for his wife should ALSO EXUDE that SAME TRUTH.

They are here Bill ...You KNOW who they are.










Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal

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