On that 'first' Easter morning.................

On that 'first' Easter morning.................

JVH
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April 3rd, 2010, 7:23 am #1

We know that Christianity is true because the Gospel writers, inspired by God who can make no error, recorded the founding events..

On that 'first' Easter morning, who visited the tomb and who were encountered there?

Since the bible is inerrant, Mark, Luke, Matthew and John - who tale about that 'first' Easter morning - should tale exactly the same thing.


Mark 16 c.70 CE

1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.
2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
3 They were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?"
4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large.
5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed.....

Luke 24 c.70-90 CE

1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they (Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James and also the other women with them - Luke 24:10) came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb,
3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing.....

Matthew 28 c.80-100 CE

1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it.....

John 20 c.90-120 CE

1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
2 So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved.....

How embarrassing.


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by the properties that define them.
Weird concept huh?


People are intrinsically intelligent.

When people are put together, they could become a herd.
When people turn a herd, they could become sheeple.
When people turn sheeple, they could become dumb animals.
When people turn dumb animals, they become treated as such.


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April 3rd, 2010, 11:31 am #2

you put it in this order...

Mark 16 c.70 CE

1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.
2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
3 They were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?"
4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large.
5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed.....

Luke 24 c.70-90 CE

1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they (Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James and also the other women with them - Luke 24:10) came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb,
3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing.....

Matthew 28 c.80-100 CE

1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it.....

John 20 c.90-120 CE

1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
2 So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved.....

How embarrassing.


yes, everyone knows the NT begins with MATHEW...

so that is the first way to look at the FOUR LEVELS of recreation...
Matthew 28 c.80-100 CE

1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it.....


ME: Since Mathew (gift of Yah) refers to the revelation of Christ to ISRAEL in us who are gentiles till Israel is revealed, it is while a great earthquake (we are the earth that quakes) happens within us: The stone is the law that is rolled away from our heart since our mouth before the word in the heart is a SEPLUCHRE speaking only death...Mary the mother of Jesus represents the "holy spirit" or "bina" the spirit of understanding in the heart.....Mary Mageline represents our "carnal mind" or harlot that no longer sins because Jesus cast seven devils out of Malkut or the "Kingdom of the world" that becomes the "KINGDOM OF GOD and his CHRIST" in us:


Next we have Mark (A DEFENSE) or the next level of recreation...


Mark 16 c.70 CE

1 When the Sabbath was over,(we ENTERED OUR REST) Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James (JACOB-who is ISRAEL the heart), and Salome, (PEACE) bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.
2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
3 They were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?"
4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large.
5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed.....

ME; here we realize we have ENTERED the rest, KEPT THE SABBATH which Israel must keep to LIVE, and we have PEACE promised when JESUS is born in us, the prince of peace, the 'good will of God' in us. We also realize the stone (LAW) was huge but its rolled away, why? CHRIST IS RISEN IN US, and he is the FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW, (it is finished, the law is back in our heart on a spiritual level, our hearts are no longer stony but FLESH....the WORD IS MADE FLESH in us. The young man is the "man child" our UNION with Christ who made us like a child in the KINGDOM because we entered the Kingdom after first finding it at the time of John the Baptist or the spirit of Elijah in us that led us to the ROOT of our soul and find Christ: yes, its quite AMAZING to find all these things at the second level of our recreation..


then we have LUKE (LIGHT)


Luke 24 c.70-90 CE

1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they (Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James and also the other women with them - Luke 24:10) came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb,
3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing.....


ME: now we realize that 'other women' (THE WOMAN is saved in Child bearing and the WHOLE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST IS THE WOMAN, the CHURCH, so there are "many" sons who are being brought to glory and we realize it in this third level after we first bring forth Christ to be crucified with him and recreated IN HIM, baptized into the NAME OF JESUS.......now these women did not find the "BODY OF JESUS" in the tomb....first of all THEY ARE THE BODY OF JESUS.....and this is preplexing at first......till the TWO men suddenly stand near in dazzling clothes......these two men represent MOSES and ELIJAH, the law and prophets are NOW RESURRECTED in our heart.....just like John and Peter saw them on the MT of Transfiration, we realize that the law and prophets are both WRAPPED UP IN CHRIST within us.....



Finally JOHNS (BLESSED OF YAH) is the final version, our new mind.....MALCHUT is now finished with the INNER NEW MAN whose NAME is Jesus....to fulfill the saying "A WOMAN SHALL COMPASS a MAN" (that is the new thing GOD said he would do in the earth).....the Church is the woman and it is ISRAEL resurrected with CHRIST who is the "MAN" in the midst of her heart.....



John 20 c.90-120 CE

1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
2 So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved.....


ME: here we see this event with MARY MAGDELINE, the prior Harlot or carnal mind, that comes on the first day of the week, (after ISRAEL the heart keeps the SABBATH, the seventh day of the week); she (we) realize that the stone (law) is rolled away keeping us dead to God or lawless....here the carnal mind that is no longer carnal runs to Simon (heard) Peter (stone) and the other disciples whom JESUS LOVED....

they were loved, they are loved......the carnal mind too gets her witness of JESUS even though Jesus tells her that she can NOT YET CLEAVE to him till he first ascends to HIS GOD and her God...showing that he accepts her as ONE with him.....

the mind is the last thing to be renewed in us:

during the visitation (WHEN GOD SENDS the deliverer to Jacob) Israel the heart is visited first to both destroy the old man and set up a new heart (kingdom) that is able to renew the Mind (of this world)

out of the abundance of the heart the mouth (Malkut) speaks....the heart is also established, firmed up, made STABLE with the confessions of the mouth

with the mouth we curse or bless our own selves....the POWER OF LIFE and DEATH IS IN THE TONGUE....

God is making all things NEW, and according to Judaism and the Bible reveals it as true, there are FOUR levels of recreation and the Gospels reveal them for those who have EARS to hear.
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April 3rd, 2010, 12:13 pm #3

... but which happens to be emphasized (in bold). Odd concept huh?



positions without substance
can be dismissed the same way
and a straw man is a non-sequitur



People are intrinsically intelligent

When people are put together, they could become a herd
When people turn a herd, they could become sheeple
When people turn sheeple, they could become dumb animals
When people turn dumb animals, they become treated as such


Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!



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April 3rd, 2010, 12:45 pm #4

I can only respond to you with my understanding, not yours: now that makes sense right?
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April 3rd, 2010, 12:53 pm #5

We know that Christianity is true because the Gospel writers, inspired by God who can make no error, recorded the founding events..

On that 'first' Easter morning, who visited the tomb and who were encountered there?

Since the bible is inerrant, Mark, Luke, Matthew and John - who tale about that 'first' Easter morning - should tale exactly the same thing.


Mark 16 c.70 CE

1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.
2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
3 They were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?"
4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large.
5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed.....

Luke 24 c.70-90 CE

1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they (Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James and also the other women with them - Luke 24:10) came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb,
3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing.....

Matthew 28 c.80-100 CE

1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it.....

John 20 c.90-120 CE

1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
2 So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved.....

How embarrassing.


The most sure way to establish truth
is by facts, and facts are determined
by the properties that define them.
Weird concept huh?


People are intrinsically intelligent.

When people are put together, they could become a herd.
When people turn a herd, they could become sheeple.
When people turn sheeple, they could become dumb animals.
When people turn dumb animals, they become treated as such.


Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!


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April 3rd, 2010, 1:07 pm #6

I can only respond to you with my understanding, not yours: now that makes sense right?
... the originator of the post and, as pointed out
positions without substance can be dismissed the same way.



the onus is on those
who claim, affirmatively



People are intrinsically intelligent

When people are put together, they could become a herd
When people turn a herd, they could become sheeple
When people turn sheeple, they could become dumb animals
When people turn dumb animals, they become treated as such


Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!



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April 3rd, 2010, 1:09 pm #7

Im more concerned that I continue to bring it since it is freely given and it costs nothing to receive it if one desires to receive....

if one does not, they are free to dismiss and trample on it with their muddy boots:

we are all accountable for what we do with what we see and hear

at least to ourselves if not to God....yet.
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April 3rd, 2010, 1:19 pm #8

WHO Sent You...?
You aren't actually LISTENING to those... ("voices")... Are You...???
-- (You know how much trouble little Davey Berkowitz got into when HE Did That...??)

BTW...
They've got Medication that will help you with that now.
And...
The Obama Health Care Bill was PASSED...!
Soooooo...
-- There's really no excuse for you NOT to seek proper medical attention.

-PRev1-
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April 3rd, 2010, 1:30 pm #9

we are all one?

you are moved to speak by whatever intelligence you have so you would have to say that 'your conscience or whatever you call it sent you to bug Bible believers the way you do..

we all have an inner voice that moves us, motivates us

but you proved to me that we are not one....you and me at least
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April 3rd, 2010, 1:34 pm #10

We know that Christianity is true because the Gospel writers, inspired by God who can make no error, recorded the founding events..

On that 'first' Easter morning, who visited the tomb and who were encountered there?

Since the bible is inerrant, Mark, Luke, Matthew and John - who tale about that 'first' Easter morning - should tale exactly the same thing.


Mark 16 c.70 CE

1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.
2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
3 They were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?"
4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large.
5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed.....

Luke 24 c.70-90 CE

1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they (Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James and also the other women with them - Luke 24:10) came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb,
3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing.....

Matthew 28 c.80-100 CE

1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it.....

John 20 c.90-120 CE

1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
2 So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved.....

How embarrassing.


The most sure way to establish truth
is by facts, and facts are determined
by the properties that define them.
Weird concept huh?


People are intrinsically intelligent.

When people are put together, they could become a herd.
When people turn a herd, they could become sheeple.
When people turn sheeple, they could become dumb animals.
When people turn dumb animals, they become treated as such.


Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!


From the BV Archives...
-- Date: 10/31/1997

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Brothers and Sisters of BlasphemyVision...

Once again, I find myself perusing the propaganda printed upon the pages of the book purported to be... the Inerrant Word of God... the "Hole-y BuyBull".

In particular, I find myself Inexplicably DRAWN to the story of... "The Empty Tomb". All I can say is... It's a *-Darn!-* good thing we've got such an Accurate Eyewitness Report here! Otherwise?... NOBODY Would Believe IT!!

Now... This has got to be one of my Favorite BuyBull Stories of all time sooo, I'll just fill you in on the scenario....

Jesus... Betrayed, Tried, Crucified, Died and... Tossed into a cave that is Sealed with a Rock.

The Sabbath Day comes and goes... and the sun rises on what has been called the "Third Day" (OK, they weren't exactly a bunch of rocket scientists but, *-HECK!-*... they didn't even have calculators way back then so let's not get too picky about their poor math!)

On the morning of the "Third Day", a bunch of the women folk went down to the cemetary to do a bit of grieving and break a vial of "spikenard" as part of the ceremonial "smell good" ritual.

Ooooh Yeeeaahhh! There was a WHOLE BUNCH of Women who went down to the tomb... le'ssee, there was... Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and... Ooooh... some other women went with them too.(Lk 24:10)... Now, wait a minute... That doesn't sound quite right... No, it was Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and SALOME! Yeah, that's right, it wasn't Joanna, it was SALOME! and... well, there Weren't any Other women there... Nope, it was JUST the three of them!(Mk 16:1)

Hmmmm, Just a sec'... now that I THINK about it?... Uhmmm... Salome wasn't there either. Uhn-uh... it was just Mary Magdalene and the other Mary.(Mt 28:1) Yeah... THAT's Right! Just Mary Magdalene and... the Other Mary? No... That's NOT right... the other Mary couldn't make it either... NOW I Remember! Yeeaaaahhh... It was JUST Mary Magdalene! She went to the tomb ALL by herself.(Jn 20:1) Maybe she was wracked with grief and just wanted to be alone... we can understand THAT Riiight?? Sure we can. Poor woman. *tsk*tsk*.... (Wait a MINUTE!! He's just TWO Days dead and Jesus own MOTHER Can't make it to his Bloody TOMB!??? What Kind of a MOM is THAT!!?? *-SHEESH!-*)

Anyway... All I can say is... Thank GOD we've got such an accurate, eyewitness report here or we would NEVER know Who Really went to the tomb on the morning of that "Third Day"! Praise The Lord!

Sincerely,
The Reverend, ULC, SG,
(C*A*$*H)
Yup, it's a piece of History.
From a time...
Way back when...
-- I hadn't even been voted "Pope" yet...!

Enjoy.

-PRev1-
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