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JVH
Joined: July 20th, 2009, 1:33 pm

June 5th, 2011, 5:24 pm #1


 

.... and start WW II all over again.
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Of WW II we are typically taught that Adolf Hitler was an evil dictator who rose to power in Germany and sought to take over the world. This provoked a reaction from the Allies, which, while causing a massive and regrettable loss of life, was unfortunately necessary if the world was to be saved from a global fascist regime.

 

I think it too simple a meme, not to say too silly a meme, but let's go with the official version ....... for now.......

 

The Hitler administration rose to power in a country so economically crippled by reparations from the previous war, the depression, and restricted to such an extend because of the Versailles Treaty, that going into another war should have been inconceivable.

Nevertheless WWII happened.

You need an industry churning out weaponry before and during the war. The "life force" for this was oil; a commodity Germany didn't have, and, the Versailles Treaty, although weakened down in the thirties of the century in question, prohibited any activity in the militairy field, especially expansion.

Nevertheless WWII happened.

At first the war was an "European affair" with Germany as the sole agressor and Italy as its ally. Soon, it became a world war with Japan as their ally. Consider the logistics. It must have been immense, virtually impossible to establish by one/two countries alone at first, even three later on, keeping at least 3 continents under control.

Nevertheless WWII happened.

Somehow Germany found the time and manpower to wage a world war on so many fronts simultaniously while also exterminating millions of people in camps between 1942/45 which must have been an industry on its own.

Nevertheless WWII happened.

 

Some things do not seem to add up here, do they now?
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PAUL
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June 5th, 2011, 8:52 pm #2

As an opponent of all wars,I am often told that one of the main rasons for going against Hitler was to stop a murderous dictator from taking over large parts of Europe..

So why did we give so much of Europe to Starlin after WW2? A man who probably murdered more people than Hitler...

Seems like a waste of 60 million lives to me because nothing changed but the name..
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June 5th, 2011, 8:57 pm #3

Take a look at a map, pre-WW2 and post-WW2.

Russia won the war.
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PAUL
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June 5th, 2011, 8:59 pm #4

60 million died from every country,they lost,no one won..
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June 5th, 2011, 9:03 pm #5

I meant more, in an historical sense, wars were fought for territory. The "winner" was the one that gained territory.

Russia gained territory.
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PAUL
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June 5th, 2011, 9:14 pm #6

The human cost was far greater than any gain...
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June 5th, 2011, 9:28 pm #7

Take a look at a map, pre-WW2 and post-WW2.

Russia won the war.
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We ended it.
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June 5th, 2011, 10:06 pm #8

I give credit to the U.S. for fighting and winning the Pacific war against Japan -almost single-handendly- but as for the European theater ... they came in and mopped up. The Germans had far superior tanks and tactics etc. but .. the Germans were outnumbered, swamped and decimated when the Americans joined in.

The Battle of the Bulge, (Europe), IMO was also another significant American engagement.

-Vince
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Iceman
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June 5th, 2011, 10:10 pm #9

We ended it.
Neither did we end it. The Soviet Union continued with aggression resulting in the cold war and rampaged nation after nation until its failure in Afghanistan. China renewed it's government along with North Korea resulting in the Korean war. Revolutions spread throughout Africa and of course there was the founding of Israel which kept conflict in the middle east ramp-id.

I'm not even going to mention the USA with its empire building philosophy. While Germany and Japan were destroyed militarily, economically and socially - it only opened the door to endless wars. And the USA is either directly or indirectly responsible for a great many of them.

However Mondo is correct in that the Soviet Union played the far greatest role in the fall of the Reich and its allies.
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JVH
Joined: July 20th, 2009, 1:33 pm

June 5th, 2011, 10:11 pm #10

We ended it.
 

According to a John Wayne point of view ... of course..........

According to demonstrable reality it went somewhat differently.

 

Those who start wars are the ones who 'end' them.

As Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschilds wife, remarked shortly before her death:
<em>"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none"</em>

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<em>" I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply."</em>

-- Nathan Mayer Rothschild, 1815
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everything else ... mere BS -


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