Mondo...have you noticed the vid....

Mondo...have you noticed the vid....

Joined: March 8th, 2007, 6:53 am

September 27th, 2010, 3:18 am #1

Jack is pushing around lately re; what is christianity?

http://www.network54.com/Forum/178694/m ... istianity-

now....they are all applauding and amening and whatever that vid. I myself...find almost total harmony with it's presentation....


BUT....notice....if you watch it .....it doesn't say like the fundys do...that eternal punishment is the result of not believing....but eternal death.....

funny what they think they are agreeing to there.......do you understand the problem....they all through hellfire and eternal damnation and suffering....that vid....says NOTHING of that and...is correct and speaks that the wages of sin are death..........eternal death.


more hypocrisy and probably they don't even get what they are agreeing to.

oh well.
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September 27th, 2010, 3:27 am #2

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I am on moderation over at Marge's, so figured I would bring it over here to watch and comment.

No, I don't ever watch Jack's clips. So thanks for the heads up on one worthwhile.

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September 27th, 2010, 3:38 am #3

agree blindly with someone in the group.....quite a careless and yes....important fundamental point they are letting slide.......

no surprise imv.
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September 27th, 2010, 8:52 am #4

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I am on moderation over at Marge's, so figured I would bring it over here to watch and comment.

No, I don't ever watch Jack's clips. So thanks for the heads up on one worthwhile.
It never gets any better than that!~ Believe that vid and you're in! Saved for eternity. Then you can get back on with your life again.

Isn't it just too easy? Take a moment now, bow your head and believe it and receive it. It's just that simple -the greatest decision you'll ever make in your life!!

It's as simple as memorizing a first grade reader ... Fun with Dick and Jane! Or as simple as signing a petition.

Who would be stupid enough to FAIL to do this very simple thing ... and condemn themselves to an eternity of frying in hell?!?

God created this mindless stupid thing and who are WE to question it? We cannot understand the mind of God ... it's FAR TOO COMPLEX for us to comprehend.

YES-s-s folks, the almighty unfathomable omnipotent God who created the universe, the laws of physics, the workings of atomic energy etc. ... created this silly little rule for saving humanity from a hell he created for them.

Doesn't it just make you feel good and satisfied all over?

-Vince
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September 28th, 2010, 2:26 am #5

do you really think that is what jesus ministry was about?

yet those people judge others as not real christians?

i am at a crossroads of my life....these people truly have me,,,,saddened. for lack of a better word)

thanks nfor your thoughts vince.

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September 28th, 2010, 2:46 am #6

It never gets any better than that!~ Believe that vid and you're in! Saved for eternity. Then you can get back on with your life again.

Isn't it just too easy? Take a moment now, bow your head and believe it and receive it. It's just that simple -the greatest decision you'll ever make in your life!!

It's as simple as memorizing a first grade reader ... Fun with Dick and Jane! Or as simple as signing a petition.

Who would be stupid enough to FAIL to do this very simple thing ... and condemn themselves to an eternity of frying in hell?!?

God created this mindless stupid thing and who are WE to question it? We cannot understand the mind of God ... it's FAR TOO COMPLEX for us to comprehend.

YES-s-s folks, the almighty unfathomable omnipotent God who created the universe, the laws of physics, the workings of atomic energy etc. ... created this silly little rule for saving humanity from a hell he created for them.

Doesn't it just make you feel good and satisfied all over?

-Vince
Yes. Invite Jesus into your Heart. It doesn't matter if you understand any of the doctrine, it doesn't matter if you change or not, it doesn't matter how you treat others. Nothing matters, except this one thing.

Believe this doctrine, believe it is "of God" and you will have eternal life and reward. Otherwise, you'll either fry, or simply cease to exist, being thrown in a fiery pit and burned up.

By a loving god..

Does that make sense? And don't toss those Bible verses at me totally out of context "Man's wisdom blah blah blah", because those same verses apply to YOU! (not you Vince, just the general you).

And people look at you (yes you Vince), and don't read your words at all. "Oh, you were damaged by Church." "You're angry with God."

Nope, not at all. You've analyzed the evidence, and decided that no God would invent such a trite little game with stakes so high. No, this is man made, an instrument that ultimately becomes an instrument of hatred. Or extreme dislike. lol.

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September 28th, 2010, 6:39 am #7

do you really think that is what jesus ministry was about?

yet those people judge others as not real christians?

i am at a crossroads of my life....these people truly have me,,,,saddened. for lack of a better word)

thanks nfor your thoughts vince.

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I think Jesus' mission was to become the next king. He was preparing/grooming his disciples for the time when a coup would occur and they would become part of his government. He was teaching them how to act in the meantime ... just good common-sense behavior which any soldier is taught as well.

-Vince
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September 28th, 2010, 7:27 am #8

Yes. Invite Jesus into your Heart. It doesn't matter if you understand any of the doctrine, it doesn't matter if you change or not, it doesn't matter how you treat others. Nothing matters, except this one thing.

Believe this doctrine, believe it is "of God" and you will have eternal life and reward. Otherwise, you'll either fry, or simply cease to exist, being thrown in a fiery pit and burned up.

By a loving god..

Does that make sense? And don't toss those Bible verses at me totally out of context "Man's wisdom blah blah blah", because those same verses apply to YOU! (not you Vince, just the general you).

And people look at you (yes you Vince), and don't read your words at all. "Oh, you were damaged by Church." "You're angry with God."

Nope, not at all. You've analyzed the evidence, and decided that no God would invent such a trite little game with stakes so high. No, this is man made, an instrument that ultimately becomes an instrument of hatred. Or extreme dislike. lol.
That's exactly right. Christians dismiss whatever I say because I must have had some bitter experience with a church (or relationship) etc.

They're completely mistaken about that though. I deconverted because I set out to STRENGTHEN my faith by reading a book by Wheless and trying to refute his "fallacious" statements. To my utter amazement, when I checked all of his Biblical references he was right ALL THE TIME!

I discovered scores of impossibilities and contradictions and as my eyes opened up more, I found answers to questions which had puzzled me for YEARS!

I think the most notable revelation to me was discovering the retrofitting of the Pentateuch into the front of the Old Testament. It finally solved a problem that had plagued me for years. I used to wonder -(and don't OTHERS wonder about this too ... people who claim to have read the entire Bible and several times too?)- how could God have been so 'in their face' all through the 40 years in the wilderness, punishing people for the slightest errors, slaughtering thousands etc. ... and/but once they were in the Promised Land, he totally took a hike and they forgot all about him?

I mean, you take Gideon, for example ...

He was as heathen as they come! And what's with prophetess Debra? Yahveh was a MAN'S God, not a woman's.

Why did King David not once obey the protocols laid out in the Deuteronomical laws? He acted as priest, he ran the feasts and sacrifices, he married lots of women, he gathered riches and lots of horses etc. ... and he created worship places in all sorts of hills and groves. He never once observed any Sabbath ... nor is there any record of his being circumcised or anyone else for that matter. (The prophet Samuel, in fact, was a circuit priest who went from one high place to the next and high places were FORBIDDEN in the Mosaic law!)

So ALL of these uber-righteous early saints of Judaism were all .... heathen. ONLY AFTER King Josiah came into power, circa 612 BC and the new Zadokite priesthood had written the draft for Deuteronomy ... were the old idol-worshiping ways abolished and a NEW religion -concentrated on the ONE god, Yahveh ... implemented. And then, it was only the folks who went to Babylon and came back who actually kept observing that. The folks who stayed behind -like Jeremiah- continued to worship the "host of heaven".


-Vince
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