John 4:24

John 4:24

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March 28th, 2011, 11:32 pm #1

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24).

Because the KJV renders John 4:24 as "God is a Spirit" many incorrectly attempt to claim that Trinitarians teach that God is three spirits, which is not only absurd, but a complete MISREPRESENTATION of the Biblical doctrine of the Triune Godhead. It should be noted that the translation of pneuma ho theos does not have the indefinite article "a" since it did not exist in Koine Greek and literally reads, "spirit the God" ("the God is spirit") indicating that the Triune Godhead is composed of spirit matter. Of course, since God the Son has taken upon the body of flesh and ascended into heaven with this glorifed body of flesh, a change took place so that the Son is now and forever the God-Man, having both the nature of God and the nature of man in what is known as the hypostatic union.

It always amazes me how anti-trinitarians such as Oneness and Arians always create straw man arguments by DISTORTING AND MISREPRESENTING the Biblical doctrine of the Triune nature of the Godhead. They are well aware that they cannot refute the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity as it is revealed in the Bible, so they resort to distorting it and trying to tear it apart that way.

Pastor Jack Howell

"Some bring God's curse on them by marking off part of the Bible, calling it erroneous, uninspired, less than the very Word of God." - Dr. John R. Rice

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)



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March 28th, 2011, 11:56 pm #2

if you are still, still, still, waiting for coming of the Lord?

If you are still waiting, then what do you NOW have?


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March 29th, 2011, 1:01 am #3

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24).

Because the KJV renders John 4:24 as "God is a Spirit" many incorrectly attempt to claim that Trinitarians teach that God is three spirits, which is not only absurd, but a complete MISREPRESENTATION of the Biblical doctrine of the Triune Godhead. It should be noted that the translation of pneuma ho theos does not have the indefinite article "a" since it did not exist in Koine Greek and literally reads, "spirit the God" ("the God is spirit") indicating that the Triune Godhead is composed of spirit matter. Of course, since God the Son has taken upon the body of flesh and ascended into heaven with this glorifed body of flesh, a change took place so that the Son is now and forever the God-Man, having both the nature of God and the nature of man in what is known as the hypostatic union.

It always amazes me how anti-trinitarians such as Oneness and Arians always create straw man arguments by DISTORTING AND MISREPRESENTING the Biblical doctrine of the Triune nature of the Godhead. They are well aware that they cannot refute the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity as it is revealed in the Bible, so they resort to distorting it and trying to tear it apart that way.

Pastor Jack Howell

"Some bring God's curse on them by marking off part of the Bible, calling it erroneous, uninspired, less than the very Word of God." - Dr. John R. Rice

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)



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Is a complete MISREPRESENTATION of the Judaic Godhead.
And...
-- Christianity is a Heretical Jewish Sect.

-PRev1-

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-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
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March 29th, 2011, 1:20 am #4

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24).

Because the KJV renders John 4:24 as "God is a Spirit" many incorrectly attempt to claim that Trinitarians teach that God is three spirits, which is not only absurd, but a complete MISREPRESENTATION of the Biblical doctrine of the Triune Godhead. It should be noted that the translation of pneuma ho theos does not have the indefinite article "a" since it did not exist in Koine Greek and literally reads, "spirit the God" ("the God is spirit") indicating that the Triune Godhead is composed of spirit matter. Of course, since God the Son has taken upon the body of flesh and ascended into heaven with this glorifed body of flesh, a change took place so that the Son is now and forever the God-Man, having both the nature of God and the nature of man in what is known as the hypostatic union.

It always amazes me how anti-trinitarians such as Oneness and Arians always create straw man arguments by DISTORTING AND MISREPRESENTING the Biblical doctrine of the Triune nature of the Godhead. They are well aware that they cannot refute the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity as it is revealed in the Bible, so they resort to distorting it and trying to tear it apart that way.

Pastor Jack Howell

"Some bring God's curse on them by marking off part of the Bible, calling it erroneous, uninspired, less than the very Word of God." - Dr. John R. Rice

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)



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John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Please examin closely....

If I say: Your Right! Jesus is God! Jesus said: (I and my Father are one)

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

They are one, as Jesus said: "the Father is in me, and I in him."

But that makes any believer one with God also as in: 1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

But if we DO NOT acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God, we have neather the Father nor the Son in us.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

By your reasoning of these simple Scriptures what is your conclusion friend? When a Trinitarian blindly says "Jesus is God the Father and Jesus is my God!" they speak a doctrine of antichrist and anti-son of God, by denying the Son in claiming the Father is the Son.

John 5:22
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

How do you honor the Begotten Son when you claim the Father is the Son, therefor denying the Son truly exists.

The purpose of the Trinity Constantine forced in was to make the Popes Vicar over the God Jesus and a God over mankind. Another power scheme and antichrist scheme.

Jesus is the Son, who was made our Lord, by the Will of God Almighty.
Love ya.
Tim

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March 29th, 2011, 6:50 am #5

Jack, the Presbytery of old became so numerous Constantine had to figure out how to unite the Babylonian worship system with Christianity. Yet at the same time Constantine had to weave the demigod concept into the church.

Baal worship became Easter with bunnies and eggs for fertility worship. Oh but its the Resurrection of Jesus, just ignore the bunnies and eggs. LOL

The Trinity makes the Pope a god over mankind. All the Casar's were demigods over mankind in Rome. Today Rome produces Popes Vicar of the invented God Jesus Trinitarian concept.

Let me show you something the Vatican does not want you to see Jack;

Is there a hidden political motive for a Roman Trinity?

Multimedia World History:
INNOCENT III EXALTS THE PAPAL POWER
Tout, T. F. Year 1208

His enunciations of the papal doctrine put claims the Hildebrand himself had hardly ventured to advance, in the clearest and most definite light. The Pope was no mere successor of Peter, the vicegerent of man. "The Roman pontiff," he wrote, "is the vicar, not of man, but of God himself." "The Lord gave Peter the rule not only of the Universal Church, but also the rule of the whole world." "The Lord Jesus Christ has set up one ruler over all things as his universal vicar, and as all things in heaven, earth, and hell bow the knee to Christ, so should all obey Christ's vicar, that there be one flock and one shepherd." "No king can reign rightly unless he devoutly serve Christ's vicar." "Princes have power in earth, priests have also power in heaven. Princes reign over the body, priests over the soul. As much as the soul is worthier than the body, so much worthier is the priesthood than the monarchy." "The Sacerdotium is the sun, the Regnum the moon. Kings rule over their respective kingdoms, but Peter rules over the whole earth. The Sacerdotium came by divine creation, the Regnum by man's cunning."

Do you see the roman motive: A king rules over physical land, but God's successor rules the world!!!

Without Constantine forcing in the Trinity at Nicene (325 AD) making Jesus to be God the Father, the Romans could not produce a Successor of God over mankind.
Vicar of Christ/God. Not to mention they also had to make Peter be the Rock/Christ/God and each pope the Successor or Vicar.

But how much are we really suppose to know about the world anyway?
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Sorry Jack, I know your church is called "Trinity Presbyterian"....
But don't let the small stuff shake ya LOL What's in a name, as long as it doesn't glorify Antichrist beliefs. Oops, did I say that? Love ya Jack, your just like Nucc.

Bro Tim, in Jesus the Son of God Almighty.
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March 29th, 2011, 1:51 pm #6

Most of the time...
You sound as though...
-- You're a tad on the addlepated side.
But...
Every now and then...
-- You make absolutely Perfect Sense.

(This is one of those "Perfect Sense" times.)

-PRev1-

President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
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March 29th, 2011, 3:07 pm #7

LOL.

And ye know ... my mother's name was Hildebrandt ... with a T on the end. I never knew about the history behind the name! I'm still a bit baffled by it. Is there any connection between me and the pontiff?

-Vince
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March 29th, 2011, 6:04 pm #8

Is a complete MISREPRESENTATION of the Judaic Godhead.
And...
-- Christianity is a Heretical Jewish Sect.

-PRev1-

President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
Torah, hashem and Israel are one?

if you don't believe that Israel is still waiting for the Messiah, explain to me when they claimed that he came?


The NT is the story of that time, but it is just NOW HAPPENING

it happened within Jews of the past but only individual Jews who wrote the Torah and all the other Jewish writings.....


including the NEW Testament by the way....also written by Jews or Holy men as God led them to write it


what led them to write it???


THE EXPERIENCE OF THE MESSIAH that was promised to ISRAEL

those who haven't had the experience of the Messiah which is most people as of yet....including Christians


don't UNDERSTAND HOW THE BIBLE FITS TOGETHER


I know nobody over here believes that I experienced the second coming either, but I don't worry about that anymore

I write and let the Holy spirit reveal it

or not
every day is a new day to die to the old and live to the newness of life
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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March 29th, 2011, 9:02 pm #9

But...
Apparently...
You can only see things from your position of "enlightenment"...
Which, unfortunately...
Negates the World of Reality...
Rendering such mundane things as History...
And the divisions created by Religious Sects...
As Mere Gibberish to your ears.

Still...
Once again...
-- I shall try.

The Judaic Sect of the Essenes...
Engineered and Witnessed...
The Arrival of their "Messiah"...
-- About 2000 years ago.

Their "Messiah" was a mere mortal man...
Born of a father with Royal Lineage...
And a Mother whose bloodline flowed...
-- From the Zadokite Priesthood.

These TWO Lineages...
Were Purposefully Conjoined...
In order to Produce...
What the Essenes perceived to be...
Their eagerly anticipated...
-- Messianic Priest/King.

This Messiah was a fellow known today as... Jesus.
His father was a man named... Joseph.
And, his Mother was a woman named... Mary.

Of the other two Major Sects of Judaism from that time...
Only one survived the onslaught of Rome...
And...
-- The destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem, in 70 AD...
They were...
-- The Pharisees.

The Religious Sect we know today as "christianity"...
Is, in fact, a Bastardization of Essene Judaism.

Bastardized by the Roman Pagani who were drawn to...
The Jewish concept of Monotheism...
And...
The self-proclaimed "apostle" Paul's version of...
-- Judaism "Lite".

They were offered all the benefits of Jewish Monotheism...
With no need for adherence to any of the Religious Strictures.
-- No Dietary Regulations.
-- No Sabbath Laws regarding Work.
And...
-- (Most importantly for Male Converts)...
-- No need for Circumcision.,,!

It was Quite the attractive...
Theological and Philosophical package at the time...
And, in Rome, the Gentiles Ruled the Day.
So, with the Rise of Christianity...
Came the extermination of all opposition.
Especially... The Essenes.

As for the "New Testament"...
For the most part, it was written by Paul...
-- Who, not unlike the Televangelists of Today...
-- Found the perfect "Way"...
-- To live a relatively comfortable lifestyle...
-- By simply telling People what they wanted to hear.

His letters were edited further by others...
-- Who wanted their agendas fullfilled as well.
The NT Texts...
Were merely tools of manipulation...
-- Used to gain control of the superstitious masses.

None-the-less...
The True story of this Essene, Messianic Priest/King...
Is hidden within the Gospel Record...
And, can be read...
-- Between the lines of the Paul's "Apostolic" Epistles.

But...
Those who believe they are "enlightened"...
Won't be able to understand that the NT tales...
Were written by and for...
-- People of that time.

And...
The "enlightened" most certainly won't be able to understand that...
The "mysticism" which they perceive their "Sacred" texts to have been imbued with...
Is merely a figment...
Of their Collective Superstitious Minds.

I do sincerely hope this has helped.
Although, I truly doubt that to be the case.

-PRev1-
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March 30th, 2011, 12:03 am #10

but I wasn't talking about historical anything.......

what makes me understand the Bible has nothing to do with what others have done but what they have EXPERIENCED from their inner consciousness, the inner dimension:


so far I can't find any takers about that understanding


oh well

every day is a new day to die to the old and live to the newness of life
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