Jesus Existed, Stupid!

Jesus Existed, Stupid!

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July 25th, 2010, 6:31 pm #1

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Pastor Jack Howell

"Some bring God's curse on them by marking off part of the Bible, calling it erroneous, uninspired, less than the very Word of God." - Dr. John R. Rice

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)



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July 25th, 2010, 7:34 pm #2

Wondering how many people didn't open up the video
based completely upon the title name...







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July 25th, 2010, 9:04 pm #3

But closed it just as quickly when it went on and on with the opening jazzy noise. I'm not persuaded by sense stimulation. Get to the point, decently and quickly.

-Vince
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July 25th, 2010, 9:08 pm #4

Here is what is posted there as a companion to the clip.
Basically, this is what shallow-minded Christ Mythicists believe (list by Zach Moore):

- Paul does not corroborate any of the narrative details about Jesus' life as described in any of the Gospels.
- Paul does not cite Jesus' teachings when it would be beneficial for his arguments if he had done so.
- The Testimonium Flavianum is a suspect interpolation, with the implication that the Jewish historian Josephus was unaware of Jesus' ministry, as well as several historical details mentioned in the Gospels.
- Contemporary pagan historians are unaware of any individual Jesus, and any reports (Tacitus, Pliny, etc.) are distinctly second-hand (i.e., refer to circulating stories and rumors).
- The character of Jesus shares many archetypical characteristics with previous and contemporary mythical figures (Osiris-Dionysus, Tammuz, Attis, Adonis, etc.)
- The essential Gospel narrative shares many narrative elements with previous and contemporary mythical and fictional stories (The Odyssey, The Illiad, Chaereas and Callirhoe, etc.)
- The deeds of the character Jesus are very similar to previous and contemporary legends about great men (Apollonius of Tyana, Pythagoras, Asclepius, etc.)
- Many aspects of the character of Jesus are very similar to those of previous Jewish literary characters (Moses, Joshua, Elijah, etc.)
- Matthew and Luke base their accounts on Mark, and add extravagant details in a manner that suggests legendary development.
- Key details in the Gospels do not conform to established historical facts germane to their setting.
- There is evidence of later orthodox revision and redaction in the Gospels, Pauline Epistles, and Pastoral Epistles.
- Paul's conception of Jesus was that of a spirit-being, rather than as a historical person, who became a savior through deeds performed in pre-historical celestial time.

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July 25th, 2010, 9:17 pm #5

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexisthub.html

Pastor Jack Howell

"Some bring God's curse on them by marking off part of the Bible, calling it erroneous, uninspired, less than the very Word of God." - Dr. John R. Rice

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)



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July 25th, 2010, 9:34 pm #6

Or maybe it was Yeshua Ben Yosef.

Or maybe the two have been mixed up over the aeons.

Yep.

The scant evidence is due to the Church eliminating evidence, as it pointed to Jesus as a man, a human being .. not a godman.

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July 25th, 2010, 9:50 pm #7

That the Dead Sea Scrolls -which were at least SOMEWHAT contemporary with the alleged life of Jesus Christ- show no discernible recognition of any such character. That one really blew me away because ..... here you have a collection of works which ABSOLUTELY could not have been tampered with and you would EXPECT them to make some sort of commentary on one so great (as Jesus Christ is portrayed to be) in the 3 synoptic Gospels. No true sign of him in the DSS.

Some argue that the church itself BURIED or burned all traces of the real historic Jesus Christ .... because they didn't want followers to know the human details about his life. Well, that sounds kind of "strained" and implausible because the church was -later- floundering around, trying to dig up ANYTHING ... that would prove he existed. Why would they destroy ALL such evidence in the first place and not keep "the best of" in the first place?

So there's no secular historic evidence and there's no preserved church evidence ... and now there isn't even any recognizable evidence in the impartial DSS either.

What does that suggest -really?

-Vince
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July 25th, 2010, 10:20 pm #8

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexisthub.html

Pastor Jack Howell

"Some bring God's curse on them by marking off part of the Bible, calling it erroneous, uninspired, less than the very Word of God." - Dr. John R. Rice

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)



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http://www.bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm

Pastor Jack Howell

"Some bring God's curse on them by marking off part of the Bible, calling it erroneous, uninspired, less than the very Word of God." - Dr. John R. Rice

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)



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July 25th, 2010, 10:22 pm #9

Or maybe it was Yeshua Ben Yosef.

Or maybe the two have been mixed up over the aeons.

Yep.

The scant evidence is due to the Church eliminating evidence, as it pointed to Jesus as a man, a human being .. not a godman.
But you are known to be full of it and will blindly grasp at anything that you hope refutes/discredits the Biblical Jesus, because you know that if He is real, you are going out into a fiery eternity in the Lake of Fire from which there will be no pardon or parole.

Pastor Jack Howell

"Some bring God's curse on them by marking off part of the Bible, calling it erroneous, uninspired, less than the very Word of God." - Dr. John R. Rice

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)



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July 25th, 2010, 10:26 pm #10

Wondering how many people didn't open up the video
based completely upon the title name...






I don't. Some folks "praise" him for them, but I am dubious that anyone watches them all.

He had 18 music links posted at John's, within an hour or so of each other. Does anyone have an hour to put aside to listen and watch each link? Does Jack even watch them?

I doubt it.

So the question is, what is the point?
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