Is the Bible Fact? Or simply a book of Fables?

Is the Bible Fact? Or simply a book of Fables?

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April 23rd, 2010, 12:58 pm #1

Found this forum today, looks interesting. I see some familiar names, and some not so familiaer ones as well. I'll start with a simple question. (Or perhaps not so simple).

I hear folks who believe strongly in religion often quoting the bible. Often a quote from the bible can be countered by antoher arguer with a different quote from thebible, and the discussion can go on and on with bible quotes.

But I back up a little bit, and say is the Bible even on a solid enough foundation to be used as argument anyway?

For Example, the Noah's Ark story... To make a long story short, it is impossible to get hundreds of thousands of Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species on one vessel. (And that is aside from an argument I have about why an all loving god would destroy every one of his creations on earth! Except for Noah and family.)

Is the Noah's Ark story FACTS, or FABLE? How about Adam and Eve? FACT, or FABLE? And there is a long list of stories and excerpts from the bible where I would ask the same question.

If the Bible is part FABLE, then how can one argue back and forth over FABLES as if they are FACT?






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April 23rd, 2010, 1:57 pm #2


The Bible contains some historical facts. It also contains some symbolism in allegories, parables, and metaphors.

I choose to avoid the term "fable" because it is associated with purely fictional childrens stories, and as such can be offensive to people. Allegory, parable, and metaphor are terms that seem more appropriately discriptive and seem to be less offensive to folks.
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April 23rd, 2010, 2:04 pm #3

Found this forum today, looks interesting. I see some familiar names, and some not so familiaer ones as well. I'll start with a simple question. (Or perhaps not so simple).

I hear folks who believe strongly in religion often quoting the bible. Often a quote from the bible can be countered by antoher arguer with a different quote from thebible, and the discussion can go on and on with bible quotes.

But I back up a little bit, and say is the Bible even on a solid enough foundation to be used as argument anyway?

For Example, the Noah's Ark story... To make a long story short, it is impossible to get hundreds of thousands of Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species on one vessel. (And that is aside from an argument I have about why an all loving god would destroy every one of his creations on earth! Except for Noah and family.)

Is the Noah's Ark story FACTS, or FABLE? How about Adam and Eve? FACT, or FABLE? And there is a long list of stories and excerpts from the bible where I would ask the same question.

If the Bible is part FABLE, then how can one argue back and forth over FABLES as if they are FACT?






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Some history, some accurate history, and some invented history, and some borrowed history.

The Bible is an amalgam, a collection of writings by different authors at different times, for different audiences, which in turn has been edited, translated, added to, redacted, in essence "formed" into something that is supposed to present a monolithic view of "Christianity", but no amount of editing can cover the warts (contradictions).

It ain't a fable though:
A fable is another type of story, also passed down from generation to generation and told to teach a lesson about something.

Fables are about animals that can talk and act like people, or plants or forces of nature like thunder or wind. The plants may be able to move and also talk and the natural forces cause things to happen in the story because of their strength.
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April 23rd, 2010, 2:11 pm #4

Found this forum today, looks interesting. I see some familiar names, and some not so familiaer ones as well. I'll start with a simple question. (Or perhaps not so simple).

I hear folks who believe strongly in religion often quoting the bible. Often a quote from the bible can be countered by antoher arguer with a different quote from thebible, and the discussion can go on and on with bible quotes.

But I back up a little bit, and say is the Bible even on a solid enough foundation to be used as argument anyway?

For Example, the Noah's Ark story... To make a long story short, it is impossible to get hundreds of thousands of Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species on one vessel. (And that is aside from an argument I have about why an all loving god would destroy every one of his creations on earth! Except for Noah and family.)

Is the Noah's Ark story FACTS, or FABLE? How about Adam and Eve? FACT, or FABLE? And there is a long list of stories and excerpts from the bible where I would ask the same question.

If the Bible is part FABLE, then how can one argue back and forth over FABLES as if they are FACT?






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Ignorant and blind people that can't hear will say the Bible is a myth and continue blurting stupidity. Those who TRULY have born again by the Holy Spirit of God KNOW GOD, therefore KNOW the TRUTH. A fact that CANNOT be disproven. Those who KNOW JESUS, KNOW the TRUTH and those who KNOW the truth are TRULY FREE.


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6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. (NAS)

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32 and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
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April 23rd, 2010, 2:21 pm #5

Found this forum today, looks interesting. I see some familiar names, and some not so familiaer ones as well. I'll start with a simple question. (Or perhaps not so simple).

I hear folks who believe strongly in religion often quoting the bible. Often a quote from the bible can be countered by antoher arguer with a different quote from thebible, and the discussion can go on and on with bible quotes.

But I back up a little bit, and say is the Bible even on a solid enough foundation to be used as argument anyway?

For Example, the Noah's Ark story... To make a long story short, it is impossible to get hundreds of thousands of Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species on one vessel. (And that is aside from an argument I have about why an all loving god would destroy every one of his creations on earth! Except for Noah and family.)

Is the Noah's Ark story FACTS, or FABLE? How about Adam and Eve? FACT, or FABLE? And there is a long list of stories and excerpts from the bible where I would ask the same question.

If the Bible is part FABLE, then how can one argue back and forth over FABLES as if they are FACT?






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Ezekiel 3:3 And He said to me, "Son of man, feed your belly, and fill your stomach with this scroll that I give you." So I ate, and it was in my mouth like honey in sweetness.

Revelation 10:9 So I went to the angel and said to him, "Give me the little book." And he said to me, "Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth."
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April 23rd, 2010, 2:24 pm #6

Found this forum today, looks interesting. I see some familiar names, and some not so familiaer ones as well. I'll start with a simple question. (Or perhaps not so simple).

I hear folks who believe strongly in religion often quoting the bible. Often a quote from the bible can be countered by antoher arguer with a different quote from thebible, and the discussion can go on and on with bible quotes.

But I back up a little bit, and say is the Bible even on a solid enough foundation to be used as argument anyway?

For Example, the Noah's Ark story... To make a long story short, it is impossible to get hundreds of thousands of Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species on one vessel. (And that is aside from an argument I have about why an all loving god would destroy every one of his creations on earth! Except for Noah and family.)

Is the Noah's Ark story FACTS, or FABLE? How about Adam and Eve? FACT, or FABLE? And there is a long list of stories and excerpts from the bible where I would ask the same question.

If the Bible is part FABLE, then how can one argue back and forth over FABLES as if they are FACT?






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The Bible was never intended to be used as a religious novel. It's textbook touching upon cosmology but it is mainly a depiction of mind and mind's evolution. In light of increasing know;edge, a literal interpretation of it makes it a Fable. It will become increasingly difficult to make people believe that a snake struck up a conversation with a former rib.

Just like every other "Bible" of every other world religion, the Bible is a very simplistic method of depicting animal-man's time in an instinctual paradise; of the appearence of mind (which evicted him so to speak) from his instinctual Paradise.

Man and mind are synonymous.

Once mind appeared, it began (with Genesis 3:22) to evolve from quality to ever increasing quality until mind became Christed. "Christed" mean different things to different people depending upon their mind's point in evolution.

If one is interested in getting information dealing with the period between the Spirit of God moving upon the waters (space) and Paradise, one will have to turn East. Orthodox Christianity doesn't have it.
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April 23rd, 2010, 5:03 pm #7

Found this forum today, looks interesting. I see some familiar names, and some not so familiaer ones as well. I'll start with a simple question. (Or perhaps not so simple).

I hear folks who believe strongly in religion often quoting the bible. Often a quote from the bible can be countered by antoher arguer with a different quote from thebible, and the discussion can go on and on with bible quotes.

But I back up a little bit, and say is the Bible even on a solid enough foundation to be used as argument anyway?

For Example, the Noah's Ark story... To make a long story short, it is impossible to get hundreds of thousands of Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species on one vessel. (And that is aside from an argument I have about why an all loving god would destroy every one of his creations on earth! Except for Noah and family.)

Is the Noah's Ark story FACTS, or FABLE? How about Adam and Eve? FACT, or FABLE? And there is a long list of stories and excerpts from the bible where I would ask the same question.

If the Bible is part FABLE, then how can one argue back and forth over FABLES as if they are FACT?






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April 23rd, 2010, 6:59 pm #8

Some history, some accurate history, and some invented history, and some borrowed history.

The Bible is an amalgam, a collection of writings by different authors at different times, for different audiences, which in turn has been edited, translated, added to, redacted, in essence "formed" into something that is supposed to present a monolithic view of "Christianity", but no amount of editing can cover the warts (contradictions).

It ain't a fable though:
A fable is another type of story, also passed down from generation to generation and told to teach a lesson about something.

Fables are about animals that can talk and act like people, or plants or forces of nature like thunder or wind. The plants may be able to move and also talk and the natural forces cause things to happen in the story because of their strength.
Nice to see you here, hope you pop by regularly. You can edit your own posts now.


peace


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You mean...
Like...
-- Balaam's Ass...?

Well, whuddaya know...
-- The Bible has Fables Too...!

That book is just Chock-a-Block
-- FULL of Stuff...!

There's a little bit of Everything...
So there's a little Something...
-- For Everyone...!

I'm thinking...
-- "Divine Inspiration"...!

-PRev1-

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"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
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April 23rd, 2010, 7:04 pm #9

Some history, some accurate history, and some invented history, and some borrowed history.

The Bible is an amalgam, a collection of writings by different authors at different times, for different audiences, which in turn has been edited, translated, added to, redacted, in essence "formed" into something that is supposed to present a monolithic view of "Christianity", but no amount of editing can cover the warts (contradictions).

It ain't a fable though:
A fable is another type of story, also passed down from generation to generation and told to teach a lesson about something.

Fables are about animals that can talk and act like people, or plants or forces of nature like thunder or wind. The plants may be able to move and also talk and the natural forces cause things to happen in the story because of their strength.
Nice to see you here, hope you pop by regularly. You can edit your own posts now.


peace


If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
~ Gensha

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... are about animals that can talk and act like people, or plants or forces of nature like thunder or wind.""


Such as stories about talking snakes, donkeys, bushes, fires etc..
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April 24th, 2010, 9:28 am #10

You mean...
Like...
-- Balaam's Ass...?

Well, whuddaya know...
-- The Bible has Fables Too...!

That book is just Chock-a-Block
-- FULL of Stuff...!

There's a little bit of Everything...
So there's a little Something...
-- For Everyone...!

I'm thinking...
-- "Divine Inspiration"...!

-PRev1-

President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
So you don't think God, who created life can temporarily give a donkey the power of speech? What a weak, limited god you have, but then, considering that your god is satan, that is understandable since he is indeed weak and limited, not to mention defeated by Jesus Christ.

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