How many animals has God killed?

How many animals has God killed?

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November 3rd, 2010, 9:36 am #1

I came across this post in the WOB archived stuff.
Thought it a worthwhile repost:

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And the Spirit of God came upon Saul ... And he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coasts of Israel by the hands of messengers. 1 Samuel 11:6-7
Too many to count, that's for sure.

How many animals did God drown in the flood? How many were sacrificed to him just so he could smell the sweet savor of their burning flesh?

Not even God knows that. He lost count long ago.

So I'll just list the times that God killed or commanded others to kill animals. (I wonder how many of these passages are marked green in the world's most dishonest book: The Green Bible*.)


Abel's offering: The first God-approved animal sacrifice
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering. (Genesis 4:4)

The flood of Noah: God kills every animal except those in the ark (because "The earth was filled with violence.")
And all flesh died that moved upon the earth ... All in whose nostrils was the breath of life ... they were destroyed from the earth. (Genesis 7:21-23)

After God drowns all the animals except for those in the ark, Noah killed and sacrificed to God one of every surviving "clean" animal species. "And the Lord smelled a sweet savour." (This shows God's concern for endangered species.)
And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled a sweet savour. (Genesis 8:20-21)

God has Abram kill some animals for him: A cow, goat, ram, dove, and pigeon.
Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst. (Genesis 15:9)

God told Abraham to kill his son, but at the last moment, he changed his mind and told Abe to kill a ram for him instead.
Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. (Genesis 22:10-13)

To impress the Pharaoh, God turns the Nile into blood, killing all the fish. (It didn't work. The magicians of Egypt knew this trick, too.)
And the fish that is in the river shall die, and the river shall stink; and the Egyptians shall lothe to drink of the water of the river ... And the fish that was in the river died. (Exodus 7:18-21)

God kills all the cattle, horses, asses, camels, oxen, and sheep in Egypt.
the hand of the LORD is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain ... And the LORD did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died. (Exodus 9:3-6)

God kills the (already dead) beasts of Egypt by smashing them with hail.
And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast. (Exodus 9:25)

God kills all the firstborn (twice-dead) Egyptian cattle. (I don't know how God figured out which were firstborn, but, hey, that's why he's God, right?)
at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. (Exodus 12:29)

God drowns more than 600 horses.
And he took six hundred chosen chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt ... For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them. (Exodus 14:7; 15:1, 19)

"And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people."
[Moses] offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD. And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar ... And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people. (Exodus 24:5)

Moses kills a bullock for God
Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the bullock for the sin offering. And he slew it; and Moses took the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about with his finger. (Leviticus 8:14-15)

Aaron kills a ram "and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about."
Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the ram. And he killed it; and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about. And he cut the ram into pieces; and Moses burnt the head, and the pieces, and the fat. (Leviticus 8:18-21)

Aaron kills another ram and "Moses took of the blood of it, and put it upon the tip of Aaron's right ear, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot."
Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the ram. And he slew it,; and Moses took of the blood of it, and put it upon the tip of Aaron's right ear, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot. And he brought Aaron's sons, and Moses put of the blood upon the tip of their right ear, and upon the thumbs of their right hands, and upon the great toes of their right feet: and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about. (Leviticus 8:22-24)

Aaron kills a calf for a sin offering "and he dipped his finger in the blood."
Aaron ... slew the calf of the sin offering ... And the sons of Aaron brought the blood unto him: and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the bottom of the altar: (Leviticus 9:8-9)

Aaron kills the burnt offering "and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled round about upon the altar."
And he slew the burnt offering; and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled round about upon the altar. (Leviticus 9:12-14)

Aaron kills a bullock for a wave offering. "And the breasts and the right shoulder Aaron waved for a wave offering before the LORD."
He slew also the bullock and the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings, which was for the people: and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled upon the altar round about ... And the breasts and the right shoulder Aaron waved for a wave offering before the LORD; as Moses commanded. (Leviticus 9:18-21)

God commands Joshua to kill every animal in Jericho (because they are "accursed" to the Lord.)
And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD. ... And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. (Joshua 6:17-21)

God tells the Israelites to stone and burn to death Achan's animals (along with Achan and his family, of course).
And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan ... and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep ... And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. (Joshua 7:24-25)

More burned offerings to the Lord.
As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded ... they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings. (Joshua 8:31)

The spitit of the Lord came on Samson (and he killed a lion).
Then went Samson down ... and, behold, a young lion roared against him. And the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and he rent him as he would have rent a kid. (Judges14:5-8)

The Spirit of God comes on Saul (and he hacks a yoke of oxen to death and sends the pieces throughout Israel).
And the Spirit of God came upon Saul ... And he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coasts of Israel by the hands of messengers.(1 Samuel 11:6-7)

God was angry at Saul for not killing all the Amalekite animals. Saul killed all the people (except Agag), but he kept some of their animals. Because he didn't kill everything, God repented of choosing him for king. (So he made David king instead. David liked to kill things.)
Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. ... And Saul smote the Amalekites ... Andand utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword ... But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs ... but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly. ... Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. (1 Samuel 15:2-19)

When dedicating the temple, Solomon killed so many animals that it was impossible to number them. (Not even God knows how many animals were killed.)
King Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel, that were assembled unto him, were with him before the ark, sacrificing sheep and oxen, that could not be told nor numbered for multitude.(1 Kings 8:5)

Just kidding -- God knows. It was 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep.
And Solomon offered a sacrifice of peace offerings, which he offered unto the LORD, two and twenty thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep. (1 Kings 8:63, 2 Chronicles 7:5)

To make God happy, the Israelites killed 700 oxen and 7,000 sheep (and all the non-believers).
And they offered unto the LORD the same time, of the spoil which they had brought, seven hundred oxen and seven thousand sheep. ... That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.(2 Chronicles 15:11-13)

Seven bullocks, seven rams, seven lambs, and seven he-goats were killed, and their blood sprinkled around. Then the carcasses were burned and they sang "the song of the Lord."
And they brought seven bullocks, and seven rams, and seven lambs, and seven he goats, for a sin offering ... So they killed the bullocks, and the priests received the blood, and sprinkled it on the altar: likewise, when they had killed the rams, they sprinkled the blood upon the altar: they killed also the lambs, and they sprinkled the blood upon the altar. And they brought forth the he goats for the sin offering ... And the priests killed them, and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded that the burnt offering and the sin offering should be made for all Israel. ... And when the burnt offering began, the song of the LORD began.(2 Chronicles 29:21-27)

God and Satan not only killed Job's 10 children, they also killed his servants (I need to revise their kill numbers!) and burned to death his sheep.
While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them (Job 1:16)

Jesus drowns a herd of devil-possessed pigs.
And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs ... And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? ... And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. (Matthew 8:28-32)

Jesus drowns 2000 pigs, after driving them out of a possessed man. (Notice that the other story says there were 2 men. So I guess Jesus must have done this nasty trick twice -- or maybe the stories were just made up.)
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit ... And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? ... And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine ... And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea. (Mark 5:2-13)


Green Bible: "The stability of creation"
(God drowned his creation and Noah sacrificed some of the few animals that survived; this shows how much God values the stability of his creation?)

And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled a sweet savour. (Genesis 8:20-21)

Green Bible: "Polluted river was a plague of Egypt."
(Yes, but who sent the plague? This should be marked red, not green.)

And the fish that is in the river shall die, and the river shall stink; and the Egyptians shall lothe to drink of the water of the river ... And the fish that was in the river died. (Exodus 7:18-21)

Green Bible: "The fifth plague: livestock diseased"
(God killed all the horses, asses, camels, oxen, and sheep. What excuse could there be for marking this green?)

the hand of the LORD is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain ... And the LORD did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died. (Exodus 9:3-6)

Green Bible: "The seventh plague: thunder and lightening"
(God smashes animals and people with hail. This shows his concern for the environment?)

And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast. (Exodus 9:25)

Green Bible: "Jesus sends demons into a herd of swine."
(Yes he did. Kind of nasty, don't you think? I guess it was marked green because it had pigs and water in it.)

And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs ... And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? ... And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. (Matthew 8:28-32)

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All this slaughtering of defenceless animals, yet if one loves their God so much and cannot wait to be at 'His' feet, then why not just sacrifice themsleves?

Awaiting possible get out clauses....


(Post to be credit to I......) Thks.


Love
Jackie





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Seoc Colla
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November 3rd, 2010, 10:48 am #2

"""Why not sacrifice themselves? """

I've thought that since I was a wee boy. Bloody attention-seeking cowards.

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November 3rd, 2010, 12:49 pm #3

[In fact] under the Law almost everything is purified by means of blood, and without the

shedding of blood there is neither release from sin and its guilt nor the remission of the due


and merited punishment for sins.



For then would He often have had to suffer [over and over again] since the foundation of the

world. But as it now is, He has once for all at the consummation and close of the ages


appeared to put away and abolish sin by His sacrifice [of Himself].

And just as it is appointed for [all] men once to die, and after that the [certain]


judgment,

Even so it is that Christ, having been offered to take upon Himself and bear as a burden


the sins of many once and [d]once for all, will appear a second time, not to carry any burden


of sin nor to deal with sin, but to bring to full salvation those who are [eagerly,


constantly, and patiently] waiting for and expecting Him.

Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.




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November 3rd, 2010, 1:25 pm #4

We are responsible for our selves.
Sure, messengers have always been around to help us remember, but ultimately, WE need do the naths and get the results. This is where some have greatly misinterpeted religions.

The root of each one that has any merit is Heal / Help Thyself.

Only THEN can we help anyone else...

Anyway, did Jesus take anything upon himself or was his body being 'used' by The Christ Consciousness,?

There is no need to wait for anyone or anything. In the waiting, you are just relyibg on others / another / another thing.

Go do some hard graft youself! Or even a little grafting. Each actions makes a difference.

"Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.."

As for sin, if one has to use that word, then:

"The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them, that's the essence of inhumanity

JVH once posted a very poignant Indifference / apathy picture. Told the whole Dark story.

The unseen or ignored blooded kitten being walked past by the feet of humanity.


Yet, let's sacrifice the darned liitle ole thing to appease a man made bloodthirsty god.


Too far away to understand? Understand what? Spit it out in straight forward English, me dear Lox, if you please.

Or maybe I am just too simple in the head, Eh?


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November 3rd, 2010, 2:16 pm #5

You call God a liar?


You deny your own potential salvation!


Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:


In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.


Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.


Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;


Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.


By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
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November 3rd, 2010, 2:25 pm #6

[In fact] under the Law almost everything is purified by means of blood, and without the

shedding of blood there is neither release from sin and its guilt nor the remission of the due


and merited punishment for sins.



For then would He often have had to suffer [over and over again] since the foundation of the

world. But as it now is, He has once for all at the consummation and close of the ages


appeared to put away and abolish sin by His sacrifice [of Himself].

And just as it is appointed for [all] men once to die, and after that the [certain]


judgment,

Even so it is that Christ, having been offered to take upon Himself and bear as a burden


the sins of many once and [d]once for all, will appear a second time, not to carry any burden


of sin nor to deal with sin, but to bring to full salvation those who are [eagerly,


constantly, and patiently] waiting for and expecting Him.

Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.



Aye well, maybe so. Proof, or even evidence of proof?
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November 3rd, 2010, 2:32 pm #7

Maybe you just don't understand even if you read?

This is an experience and reality!


For if it were otherwise, would [these sacrifices] not have stopped being offered? Since the worshipers had [a]once for all been cleansed, they would no longer have any guilt or consciousness of sin.

But [as it is] these sacrifices annually bring a fresh remembrance of sins [to be atoned for],

Because the blood of bulls and goats is powerless to take sins away.

Hence, when He [Christ] entered into the world, He said, Sacrifices and offerings You have not desired, but instead You have made ready a body for Me [to offer];

In burnt offerings and sin offerings You have taken no delight.

Then I said, Behold, here I am, coming to do Your will, O God--[to fulfill] what is written of Me in the volume of the Book.

When He said just before, You have neither desired, nor have You taken delight in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings--all of which are offered according to the Law--

He then went on to say, Behold, [here] I am, coming to do Your will. Thus He does away with and annuls the first (former) order [as a means of expiating sin] so that He might inaugurate and establish the second (latter) order.

And in accordance with this will [of God], we have been made holy (consecrated and sanctified) through the offering made once for all of the body of Jesus Christ (the Anointed One).

Furthermore, every [human] priest stands [at his altar of service] ministering daily, offering the same sacrifices over and over again, which never are able to strip [from every side of us] the sins [that envelop us] and take them away--

Whereas this One [Christ], after He had offered a single sacrifice for our sins [that shall avail] for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,

Then to wait until His enemies should be made a stool beneath His feet.(C)

For by a single offering He has forever completely cleansed and perfected those who are consecrated and made holy.

And also the Holy Spirit adds His testimony to us [in confirmation of this]. For having said,

This is the agreement (testament, covenant) that I will set up and conclude with them after those days, says the Lord: I will imprint My laws upon their hearts, and I will inscribe them on their minds (on their inmost thoughts and understanding),

He then goes on to say, And their sins and their lawbreaking I will remember no more.(D)

Now where there is absolute remission (forgiveness and cancellation of the penalty) of these [sins and lawbreaking], there is no longer any offering made to atone for sin.

Therefore, brethren, since we have full freedom and confidence to enter into the [Holy of] Holies [by the power and virtue] in the blood of Jesus,

By this fresh (new) and living way which He initiated and dedicated and opened for us through the separating curtain (veil of the Holy of Holies), that is, through His flesh,

And since we have [such] a great and wonderful and noble Priest [Who rules] over the house of God,

Let us all come forward and draw near with true (honest and sincere) hearts in unqualified assurance and absolute conviction engendered by faith (by that leaning of the entire human personality on God in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness), having our hearts sprinkled and purified from a guilty (evil) conscience and our bodies cleansed with pure water.

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November 3rd, 2010, 2:50 pm #8

You call God a liar?


You deny your own potential salvation!


Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:


In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.


Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.


Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;


Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.


By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Where did I say God was a liar?

Let's sort that one out before we go on, eh?



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November 3rd, 2010, 3:37 pm #9

I came across this post in the WOB archived stuff.
Thought it a worthwhile repost:

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And the Spirit of God came upon Saul ... And he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coasts of Israel by the hands of messengers. 1 Samuel 11:6-7
Too many to count, that's for sure.

How many animals did God drown in the flood? How many were sacrificed to him just so he could smell the sweet savor of their burning flesh?

Not even God knows that. He lost count long ago.

So I'll just list the times that God killed or commanded others to kill animals. (I wonder how many of these passages are marked green in the world's most dishonest book: The Green Bible*.)


Abel's offering: The first God-approved animal sacrifice
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering. (Genesis 4:4)

The flood of Noah: God kills every animal except those in the ark (because "The earth was filled with violence.")
And all flesh died that moved upon the earth ... All in whose nostrils was the breath of life ... they were destroyed from the earth. (Genesis 7:21-23)

After God drowns all the animals except for those in the ark, Noah killed and sacrificed to God one of every surviving "clean" animal species. "And the Lord smelled a sweet savour." (This shows God's concern for endangered species.)
And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled a sweet savour. (Genesis 8:20-21)

God has Abram kill some animals for him: A cow, goat, ram, dove, and pigeon.
Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst. (Genesis 15:9)

God told Abraham to kill his son, but at the last moment, he changed his mind and told Abe to kill a ram for him instead.
Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. (Genesis 22:10-13)

To impress the Pharaoh, God turns the Nile into blood, killing all the fish. (It didn't work. The magicians of Egypt knew this trick, too.)
And the fish that is in the river shall die, and the river shall stink; and the Egyptians shall lothe to drink of the water of the river ... And the fish that was in the river died. (Exodus 7:18-21)

God kills all the cattle, horses, asses, camels, oxen, and sheep in Egypt.
the hand of the LORD is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain ... And the LORD did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died. (Exodus 9:3-6)

God kills the (already dead) beasts of Egypt by smashing them with hail.
And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast. (Exodus 9:25)

God kills all the firstborn (twice-dead) Egyptian cattle. (I don't know how God figured out which were firstborn, but, hey, that's why he's God, right?)
at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. (Exodus 12:29)

God drowns more than 600 horses.
And he took six hundred chosen chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt ... For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them. (Exodus 14:7; 15:1, 19)

"And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people."
[Moses] offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD. And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar ... And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people. (Exodus 24:5)

Moses kills a bullock for God
Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the bullock for the sin offering. And he slew it; and Moses took the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about with his finger. (Leviticus 8:14-15)

Aaron kills a ram "and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about."
Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the ram. And he killed it; and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about. And he cut the ram into pieces; and Moses burnt the head, and the pieces, and the fat. (Leviticus 8:18-21)

Aaron kills another ram and "Moses took of the blood of it, and put it upon the tip of Aaron's right ear, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot."
Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the ram. And he slew it,; and Moses took of the blood of it, and put it upon the tip of Aaron's right ear, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot. And he brought Aaron's sons, and Moses put of the blood upon the tip of their right ear, and upon the thumbs of their right hands, and upon the great toes of their right feet: and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about. (Leviticus 8:22-24)

Aaron kills a calf for a sin offering "and he dipped his finger in the blood."
Aaron ... slew the calf of the sin offering ... And the sons of Aaron brought the blood unto him: and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the bottom of the altar: (Leviticus 9:8-9)

Aaron kills the burnt offering "and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled round about upon the altar."
And he slew the burnt offering; and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled round about upon the altar. (Leviticus 9:12-14)

Aaron kills a bullock for a wave offering. "And the breasts and the right shoulder Aaron waved for a wave offering before the LORD."
He slew also the bullock and the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings, which was for the people: and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled upon the altar round about ... And the breasts and the right shoulder Aaron waved for a wave offering before the LORD; as Moses commanded. (Leviticus 9:18-21)

God commands Joshua to kill every animal in Jericho (because they are "accursed" to the Lord.)
And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD. ... And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. (Joshua 6:17-21)

God tells the Israelites to stone and burn to death Achan's animals (along with Achan and his family, of course).
And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan ... and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep ... And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. (Joshua 7:24-25)

More burned offerings to the Lord.
As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded ... they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings. (Joshua 8:31)

The spitit of the Lord came on Samson (and he killed a lion).
Then went Samson down ... and, behold, a young lion roared against him. And the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and he rent him as he would have rent a kid. (Judges14:5-8)

The Spirit of God comes on Saul (and he hacks a yoke of oxen to death and sends the pieces throughout Israel).
And the Spirit of God came upon Saul ... And he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coasts of Israel by the hands of messengers.(1 Samuel 11:6-7)

God was angry at Saul for not killing all the Amalekite animals. Saul killed all the people (except Agag), but he kept some of their animals. Because he didn't kill everything, God repented of choosing him for king. (So he made David king instead. David liked to kill things.)
Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. ... And Saul smote the Amalekites ... Andand utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword ... But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs ... but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly. ... Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. (1 Samuel 15:2-19)

When dedicating the temple, Solomon killed so many animals that it was impossible to number them. (Not even God knows how many animals were killed.)
King Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel, that were assembled unto him, were with him before the ark, sacrificing sheep and oxen, that could not be told nor numbered for multitude.(1 Kings 8:5)

Just kidding -- God knows. It was 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep.
And Solomon offered a sacrifice of peace offerings, which he offered unto the LORD, two and twenty thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep. (1 Kings 8:63, 2 Chronicles 7:5)

To make God happy, the Israelites killed 700 oxen and 7,000 sheep (and all the non-believers).
And they offered unto the LORD the same time, of the spoil which they had brought, seven hundred oxen and seven thousand sheep. ... That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.(2 Chronicles 15:11-13)

Seven bullocks, seven rams, seven lambs, and seven he-goats were killed, and their blood sprinkled around. Then the carcasses were burned and they sang "the song of the Lord."
And they brought seven bullocks, and seven rams, and seven lambs, and seven he goats, for a sin offering ... So they killed the bullocks, and the priests received the blood, and sprinkled it on the altar: likewise, when they had killed the rams, they sprinkled the blood upon the altar: they killed also the lambs, and they sprinkled the blood upon the altar. And they brought forth the he goats for the sin offering ... And the priests killed them, and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded that the burnt offering and the sin offering should be made for all Israel. ... And when the burnt offering began, the song of the LORD began.(2 Chronicles 29:21-27)

God and Satan not only killed Job's 10 children, they also killed his servants (I need to revise their kill numbers!) and burned to death his sheep.
While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them (Job 1:16)

Jesus drowns a herd of devil-possessed pigs.
And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs ... And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? ... And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. (Matthew 8:28-32)

Jesus drowns 2000 pigs, after driving them out of a possessed man. (Notice that the other story says there were 2 men. So I guess Jesus must have done this nasty trick twice -- or maybe the stories were just made up.)
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit ... And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? ... And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine ... And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea. (Mark 5:2-13)


Green Bible: "The stability of creation"
(God drowned his creation and Noah sacrificed some of the few animals that survived; this shows how much God values the stability of his creation?)

And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled a sweet savour. (Genesis 8:20-21)

Green Bible: "Polluted river was a plague of Egypt."
(Yes, but who sent the plague? This should be marked red, not green.)

And the fish that is in the river shall die, and the river shall stink; and the Egyptians shall lothe to drink of the water of the river ... And the fish that was in the river died. (Exodus 7:18-21)

Green Bible: "The fifth plague: livestock diseased"
(God killed all the horses, asses, camels, oxen, and sheep. What excuse could there be for marking this green?)

the hand of the LORD is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain ... And the LORD did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died. (Exodus 9:3-6)

Green Bible: "The seventh plague: thunder and lightening"
(God smashes animals and people with hail. This shows his concern for the environment?)

And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast. (Exodus 9:25)

Green Bible: "Jesus sends demons into a herd of swine."
(Yes he did. Kind of nasty, don't you think? I guess it was marked green because it had pigs and water in it.)

And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs ... And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? ... And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. (Matthew 8:28-32)

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All this slaughtering of defenceless animals, yet if one loves their God so much and cannot wait to be at 'His' feet, then why not just sacrifice themsleves?

Awaiting possible get out clauses....


(Post to be credit to I......) Thks.


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Animals either die from natural causes, or man sacrifices them for food, clothing, or sport.
Do you eat meat? I bet God doesn't:-)

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November 3rd, 2010, 4:45 pm #10

But I do know htere are verses in the Bible where the biblical god requests offerings of sacrificed animals.


So OK, God did NOT sacrifice the aniamls 'himself' but he demanded his followers to.

That makes all the difference, of course.


In the bigger pictire, of course, the Source is ALL so is responsible for ALL.

But my repost was speaking of the little biblical god.

So I accept your correction in this little god example.

BUT

No, my husband and I do not eat meat or fish, nor does my son, but my daughter and my cat do.

I would guess that not all animal sarrifices were requested by God as far as the Bible story goes. but just one example in the Bible is anough, I would guess. to condemn 'God' as an provocator twards animal murder.

Did God cause the flood or not? Were animals killed by 'his' action or not?

Of course, these story very well may be allegorical. I have my own views on the Flood / floods...

Just seems the Bible is full of blood sacrifices as we have all heard about here and elsewhere.

There is no doubt that in the Bible the shedding of blood is linked with

without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness....

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1Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

2"Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'If a person sins (A)unintentionally in any of the things which the LORD has (B)commanded not to be done, and commits any of them,

3(C)if the anointed priest sins so as to bring guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD a bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed.

4'He shall bring the bull to the doorway of the tent of meeting before the LORD, and (D)he shall lay his hand on the head of the bull and slay the bull before the LORD.

5'Then the (E)anointed priest is to take some of the blood of the bull and bring it to the tent of meeting,

6and the priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle some of the blood seven times before the LORD, in front of (F)the veil of the sanctuary.

7'The priest shall also put some of the blood on the horns of (G)the altar of fragrant incense which is before the LORD in the tent of meeting; and all the blood of the bull he shall pour out at the base of the altar of burnt offering which is at the doorway of the tent of meeting.

8'(H)He shall remove from it all the fat of the bull of the sin offering: the fat that covers the entrails, and all the fat which is on the entrails,

9and the two kidneys with the fat that is on them, which is on the loins, and the lobe of the liver, which he shall remove (I)with the kidneys

10(just as it is removed from the ox of the sacrifice of peace offerings), and the priest is to offer them up in smoke on the altar of burnt offering.

11'But (J)the hide of the bull and all its flesh with its head and its legs and its entrails and its refuse,

12that is, all the rest of the bull, he is to bring out to (K)a clean place outside the camp where the ashes are poured out, and burn it on wood with fire; where the ashes are poured out it shall be burned.

13'(L)Now if the whole congregation of Israel commits error and the matter escapes the notice of the assembly, and they commit any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and they become guilty;

14(M)when the sin which they have committed becomes known, then the assembly shall offer (N)a bull of the herd for a sin offering and bring it before the tent of meeting.

15'Then (O)the elders of the congregation shall lay their hands on the head of the bull before the LORD, and the bull shall be slain (P)before the LORD.

16'Then the anointed priest is to bring some of the blood of the bull to the tent of meeting;

17and (Q)the priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle it seven times before the LORD, in front of the veil.

18'He shall put some of the blood on the horns of (R)the altar which is before the LORD in the tent of meeting; and all the blood he shall pour out at the base of the altar of burnt offering which is at the doorway of the tent of meeting.

19'(S)He shall remove all its fat from it and offer it up in smoke on the altar.

20'He shall also do with the bull just as he did with (T)the bull of the sin offering; thus he shall do with it So (U)the priest shall make atonement for them, and they will be forgiven.

21'Then he is to bring out the bull to a place outside the camp and burn it as he burned the first bull; it is (V)the sin offering for the assembly.

22'When (W)a leader (X)sins and unintentionally does any one of all the things which the LORD his God has commanded not to be done, and he becomes guilty,

23(Y)if his sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring for his offering a (Z)goat, (AA)a male without defect.

24'He shall lay his hand on the head of the male goat and slay it in the place where they slay the burnt offering before the LORD; it is a sin offering.

25'Then the priest is to take some of the blood of the sin offering with his finger and put it on (AB)the horns of the altar of burnt offering; and the rest of its blood he shall pour out at the base of the altar of burnt offering.

26'(AC)All its fat he shall offer up in smoke on the altar as in the case of the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings Thus (AD)the priest shall make atonement for him in regard to his sin, and he will be forgiven.

27'Now if anyone of the common people sins (AE)unintentionally in doing any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and becomes guilty,

28(AF)if his sin which he has committed is made known to him, then he shall bring for his offering a (AG)goat, a (AH)female without defect, for his sin which he has committed.

29'(AI)He shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering and (AJ)slay the sin offering at the place of the burnt offering.

30'The priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and put it on the horns of (AK)the altar of burnt offering; and (AL)all the rest of its blood he shall pour out at the base of the altar.

31'(AM)Then he shall remove all its fat, just as the fat was removed from the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall offer it up in smoke on the altar for (AN)a soothing aroma to the LORD. Thus the priest shall make atonement for him, and he will be forgiven.

32'But if he brings (AO)a lamb as his offering for a sin offering, he shall bring it, a female without defect.

33'(AP)He shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering and slay it for a sin offering (AQ)in the place where they slay the burnt offering.

34'The priest is to take some of the blood of the sin offering with his finger and put it on the horns of (AR)the altar of burnt offering, and (AS)all the rest of its blood he shall pour out at the base of the altar.

35'Then he shall remove (AT)all its fat, just as the fat of the lamb is removed from the sacrifice of the peace offerings, and the priest shall offer them up in smoke on the altar, on the offerings by fire to the LORD Thus (AU)the priest shall make atonement for him in regard to his sin which he has committed, and he will be forgiven.

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Then the Lord spoke to Moses...
the Lord......

One example, TS.

Just quoting here.

Of course, The Source does not eat meat directly, but It does through It's emanations....


Imo.

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