How can we be happy when there is world misery?

How can we be happy when there is world misery?

Joined: October 1st, 2006, 10:04 am

August 18th, 2010, 6:50 am #1

Way down a bit someone was talking about happiness and another mentioned the Pakistani victims.

How can one be happy when somewhere there is total misery.

Something I often think on and have shared and been replied to on the forums over the years.

Funny enough, Noob's reply of that is 'their problem', is pretty much how I 'see' things', as did one whose opinions I have always valued and found a comfort.

Now to ook at those words as they stand, 'their problem' may come across as acold, but I think I am feeling how Noob meant them to be communicated. I could be wrong, but indeed my 'comforter' meant them in this Way.

I spoke of a fox that had died slowly, problably over 3 or 4 days, that had been caught in a near neighbour's crap that had built up in her back garden. Surprisingly, no one knew it had been there. To think that this poor creature had been so near dying on it's own and panifully was just too much. How many others die like this. Alone, uncared for, unknown to have existed even.

What are the reasons?

I guess we are not going to know for sure, but we tend to take in what best makes some kind of sense to the 'type' of characters we are at the Moment.


Spirit experiencing
God testing
No good reason
Man's Apathy
Bad luck.
etc...


Whatever, another in pain causes us pain. So can we ever be totally happy?

I feel we can't. I can't. All I can do is make what I am able to happy and confortable and warm and loved. If I get a chance to help others in distress and am able to. I will do my best.

Does Serenity help here? Who does it help?

*****************************************************

God, grant us the...
Serenity to accept things we cannot change,
Courage to change the things we can, and the
Wisdom to know the difference
Patience for the things that take time
Appreciation for all that we have, and
Tolerance for those with different struggles
Freedom to live beyond the limitations of our past ways, the
Ability to feel your love for us and our love for each other and the
Strength to get up and try again even when we feel it is hopeless.

*******************************************************

I often chant this to myself. It helps me.

Of course, God for me is the Universal 'Spirit'.

But is there not a limit we are able to do ourselves and does that limit mean we should try and be the very best human being we can and that includes, for me very importantly, that we have to be as happy as we can be, even in being fully aware the world is full of misery?

Laughter and happiness and compassion and love are a great tonic.

My niece phoned me yesterday and updated me about Sneaks, a 10 year old feline she recently adopted from a Cats Home that had been badly abused. The feline, much too small for her years, is responding beautifully already to being loved.

Sometimes the best we can do at times, is make the world a more welcoming place whan as as we can.

**************************************************************************


"Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things. "


And from the Dalai Lama:

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.
Dalai Lama



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Jackie














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August 18th, 2010, 7:44 am #2

"""And from the Dalai Lama:

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.
Dalai Lama"""

At times, this is about all we can physically do. 'Others' of course, includes all Life.
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August 18th, 2010, 9:04 am #3

Way down a bit someone was talking about happiness and another mentioned the Pakistani victims.

How can one be happy when somewhere there is total misery.

Something I often think on and have shared and been replied to on the forums over the years.

Funny enough, Noob's reply of that is 'their problem', is pretty much how I 'see' things', as did one whose opinions I have always valued and found a comfort.

Now to ook at those words as they stand, 'their problem' may come across as acold, but I think I am feeling how Noob meant them to be communicated. I could be wrong, but indeed my 'comforter' meant them in this Way.

I spoke of a fox that had died slowly, problably over 3 or 4 days, that had been caught in a near neighbour's crap that had built up in her back garden. Surprisingly, no one knew it had been there. To think that this poor creature had been so near dying on it's own and panifully was just too much. How many others die like this. Alone, uncared for, unknown to have existed even.

What are the reasons?

I guess we are not going to know for sure, but we tend to take in what best makes some kind of sense to the 'type' of characters we are at the Moment.


Spirit experiencing
God testing
No good reason
Man's Apathy
Bad luck.
etc...


Whatever, another in pain causes us pain. So can we ever be totally happy?

I feel we can't. I can't. All I can do is make what I am able to happy and confortable and warm and loved. If I get a chance to help others in distress and am able to. I will do my best.

Does Serenity help here? Who does it help?

*****************************************************

God, grant us the...
Serenity to accept things we cannot change,
Courage to change the things we can, and the
Wisdom to know the difference
Patience for the things that take time
Appreciation for all that we have, and
Tolerance for those with different struggles
Freedom to live beyond the limitations of our past ways, the
Ability to feel your love for us and our love for each other and the
Strength to get up and try again even when we feel it is hopeless.

*******************************************************

I often chant this to myself. It helps me.

Of course, God for me is the Universal 'Spirit'.

But is there not a limit we are able to do ourselves and does that limit mean we should try and be the very best human being we can and that includes, for me very importantly, that we have to be as happy as we can be, even in being fully aware the world is full of misery?

Laughter and happiness and compassion and love are a great tonic.

My niece phoned me yesterday and updated me about Sneaks, a 10 year old feline she recently adopted from a Cats Home that had been badly abused. The feline, much too small for her years, is responding beautifully already to being loved.

Sometimes the best we can do at times, is make the world a more welcoming place whan as as we can.

**************************************************************************


"Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things. "


And from the Dalai Lama:

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.
Dalai Lama



Love
Jackie














Know Thyself
Well ... 

... I prayed the other day.

No really.

 

"Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to end poverty on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19, James 5:15-16 and so on. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen." 

I prayed sincerely, in unison with a partner, knowing that when God answered this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it would glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.

 

Guess what happened?

 

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<p align="right">**And I still feel the content of my posts should be scrutinized on their own merits and nothing else (mumble .. grumble .. mutter)**
<p align="left">- fallacious, abductive, inductive, deductive
are the basic modes of reasoning -- when we
fail to discern between them, we are destined
to act accordingly ......


<p align="center">... after all, inference demands explicit contains implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...


<p align="right">... and such is the excruciating irony of incomprehensibility
& self-refutation; those oblivious of it are indispensably
the experts in applying it, in effect, revealing the exact
opposite of apparent intent thereby granting the courtesy
of instant clarification.

Mice In A Maze-Going In Circles



<p align="left">Ardent believers turn out to be quite useful
they seem to be some sort of omniscient.
You can therefore always depend on them
to tell you exactly what your thoughts and
feelings are, and what your opinions should be.

Handy.


<p align="center">It is as it is - It goes as it goes
If it doesn't go, that's how it goes
If it isn't, then that's how it is

New!! Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!


There is forgiveness. Unfortunately, forgiveness doesn't mean a thing
..... when not applied that is. Therefore, it is I who forgive, publically
those who either dare or will not - for, as it seems, they are not ready
yet, to do so by themselves; out of themselves. I hereby thus, plow
the road; leading the way, for those eager to walk that walk as well.
JVH, July 20, 2010, 2:22
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August 18th, 2010, 12:17 pm #4

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Because Jesus says:Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.


I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].


While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.


I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.


They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
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August 18th, 2010, 1:32 pm #5

Well ... 

... I prayed the other day.

No really.

 

"Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to end poverty on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19, James 5:15-16 and so on. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen." 

I prayed sincerely, in unison with a partner, knowing that when God answered this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it would glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.

 

Guess what happened?

 

Brought to you by:

<img alt="punchandjudynews.jpg" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... dynews.jpg">



<p align="right">**And I still feel the content of my posts should be scrutinized on their own merits and nothing else (mumble .. grumble .. mutter)**
<p align="left">- fallacious, abductive, inductive, deductive
are the basic modes of reasoning -- when we
fail to discern between them, we are destined
to act accordingly ......


<p align="center">... after all, inference demands explicit contains implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...


<p align="right">... and such is the excruciating irony of incomprehensibility
& self-refutation; those oblivious of it are indispensably
the experts in applying it, in effect, revealing the exact
opposite of apparent intent thereby granting the courtesy
of instant clarification.

Mice In A Maze-Going In Circles



<p align="left">Ardent believers turn out to be quite useful
they seem to be some sort of omniscient.
You can therefore always depend on them
to tell you exactly what your thoughts and
feelings are, and what your opinions should be.

Handy.


<p align="center">It is as it is - It goes as it goes
If it doesn't go, that's how it goes
If it isn't, then that's how it is

New!! Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!


There is forgiveness. Unfortunately, forgiveness doesn't mean a thing
..... when not applied that is. Therefore, it is I who forgive, publically
those who either dare or will not - for, as it seems, they are not ready
yet, to do so by themselves; out of themselves. I hereby thus, plow
the road; leading the way, for those eager to walk that walk as well.
JVH, July 20, 2010, 2:22
And needs a thread on 'it's' own.

My first off the cuff thought on prayer is that it does not work. You have gone through many times why it does not, and I go along with those thoughts.

If it does, thank God. If it does not, it was not meant to be. Vagueness.

But I believe that maybe the concept of prayer s just a front for a Something else. Again, for discussion elsewhere.

To pray for, say disaster victims, helps not one hoot, imho. But mayne if some conscious intent is behind the desire, maybe a little something happens somewhere?

I am just not sure. A thorough discussion will maybe be a good / beneficial idea?

Love
Jackie




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August 18th, 2010, 1:34 pm #6

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Because Jesus says:Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.


I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].


While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.


I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.


They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Do you think all gets 'Righted' at a certain time? So all is well?

Your belief in Jesus / God is able to let you cope with the misery of others?

Your own misery?

Sincere interest.

Love
Jackie




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August 18th, 2010, 1:41 pm #7

"""And from the Dalai Lama:

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.
Dalai Lama"""

At times, this is about all we can physically do. 'Others' of course, includes all Life.
Seoc, I am 'glad' () you made an appearance.

Do you think Seoc, that we can do stuff via Thoughts?
Or is that just wishful thinking so that we can feel better that we can 'do' something useful when another's painful condition is so out of reach?

The sort of 'every little thing we say or do or feel contributes in some way to the evolution of, shall I say, the Prime Source?

Love
Jackie


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August 18th, 2010, 2:22 pm #8

Do you think all gets 'Righted' at a certain time? So all is well?

Your belief in Jesus / God is able to let you cope with the misery of others?

Your own misery?

Sincere interest.

Love
Jackie




Know Thyself
share with you that this is the way to go, because Jesus took me out of my own misery! I am witness and share this with whomsoever will listen and recieve.

I pray for God's people and whomever the Lord brings to me to do so. Jesus says:I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

The world and its condition will not change but this way:For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

A person is a world Jackie! There is a flaw within each of us that must be dealt a blow and is!

Sister mentioned yesterday that egoism is the problem and Christ is the answer!

Somehow your idea is a distraction and you are ovewhelmed because you hate what you see: misery! I do to but i also know where the problems lies. Start at home/yourself.

For if you meet that certain miserable one, what do you have to give?

The drug addict/drunkard asks me for change. I see him in his misery and preach Christ to him/her and they will turn on me. They want change for more of what is making them miserable but till they hit bottom, perhaps then they will cry out? Its not so black and white like you want it to be.

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August 18th, 2010, 2:46 pm #9

And needs a thread on 'it's' own.

My first off the cuff thought on prayer is that it does not work. You have gone through many times why it does not, and I go along with those thoughts.

If it does, thank God. If it does not, it was not meant to be. Vagueness.

But I believe that maybe the concept of prayer s just a front for a Something else. Again, for discussion elsewhere.

To pray for, say disaster victims, helps not one hoot, imho. But mayne if some conscious intent is behind the desire, maybe a little something happens somewhere?

I am just not sure. A thorough discussion will maybe be a good / beneficial idea?

Love
Jackie




Know Thyself
<p align="center">Causation : source of one of the most committed fallacies
the invalid assumption that correlation infers cause.
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What your attention is on, you'll become


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<p align="right">**And I still feel the content of my posts should be scrutinized on their own merits and nothing else (mumble .. grumble .. mutter)**
<p align="left">- fallacious, abductive, inductive, deductive
are the basic modes of reasoning -- when we
fail to discern between them, we are destined
to act accordingly ......


<p align="center">... after all, inference demands explicit contains implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...


<p align="right">... and such is the excruciating irony of incomprehensibility
& self-refutation; those oblivious of it are indispensably
the experts in applying it, in effect, revealing the exact
opposite of apparent intent thereby granting the courtesy
of instant clarification.

Mice In A Maze-Going In Circles



<p align="left">Ardent believers turn out to be quite useful
they seem to be some sort of omniscient.
You can therefore always depend on them
to tell you exactly what your thoughts and
feelings are, and what your opinions should be.

Handy.


<p align="center">It is as it is - It goes as it goes
If it doesn't go, that's how it goes
If it isn't, then that's how it is

New!! Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!


There is forgiveness. Unfortunately, forgiveness doesn't mean a thing
..... when not applied that is. Therefore, it is I who forgive, publically
those who either dare or will not - for, as it seems, they are not ready
yet, to do so by themselves; out of themselves. I hereby thus, plow
the road; leading the way, for those eager to walk that walk as well.
JVH, July 20, 2010, 2:22
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August 18th, 2010, 2:47 pm #10

Way down a bit someone was talking about happiness and another mentioned the Pakistani victims.

How can one be happy when somewhere there is total misery.

Something I often think on and have shared and been replied to on the forums over the years.

Funny enough, Noob's reply of that is 'their problem', is pretty much how I 'see' things', as did one whose opinions I have always valued and found a comfort.

Now to ook at those words as they stand, 'their problem' may come across as acold, but I think I am feeling how Noob meant them to be communicated. I could be wrong, but indeed my 'comforter' meant them in this Way.

I spoke of a fox that had died slowly, problably over 3 or 4 days, that had been caught in a near neighbour's crap that had built up in her back garden. Surprisingly, no one knew it had been there. To think that this poor creature had been so near dying on it's own and panifully was just too much. How many others die like this. Alone, uncared for, unknown to have existed even.

What are the reasons?

I guess we are not going to know for sure, but we tend to take in what best makes some kind of sense to the 'type' of characters we are at the Moment.


Spirit experiencing
God testing
No good reason
Man's Apathy
Bad luck.
etc...


Whatever, another in pain causes us pain. So can we ever be totally happy?

I feel we can't. I can't. All I can do is make what I am able to happy and confortable and warm and loved. If I get a chance to help others in distress and am able to. I will do my best.

Does Serenity help here? Who does it help?

*****************************************************

God, grant us the...
Serenity to accept things we cannot change,
Courage to change the things we can, and the
Wisdom to know the difference
Patience for the things that take time
Appreciation for all that we have, and
Tolerance for those with different struggles
Freedom to live beyond the limitations of our past ways, the
Ability to feel your love for us and our love for each other and the
Strength to get up and try again even when we feel it is hopeless.

*******************************************************

I often chant this to myself. It helps me.

Of course, God for me is the Universal 'Spirit'.

But is there not a limit we are able to do ourselves and does that limit mean we should try and be the very best human being we can and that includes, for me very importantly, that we have to be as happy as we can be, even in being fully aware the world is full of misery?

Laughter and happiness and compassion and love are a great tonic.

My niece phoned me yesterday and updated me about Sneaks, a 10 year old feline she recently adopted from a Cats Home that had been badly abused. The feline, much too small for her years, is responding beautifully already to being loved.

Sometimes the best we can do at times, is make the world a more welcoming place whan as as we can.

**************************************************************************


"Enjoy the little things, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things. "


And from the Dalai Lama:

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.
Dalai Lama



Love
Jackie














Know Thyself
Freedom, happiness, our emotional world is not entirely dependent on external realities.

There are persons in prison that experience freedom. And many outside of prison, that are "prisoners" of another sort.

And so on.

To some degree we do create our own reality. Although I admit, when a person wakes up wondering if there will be food that day, this is a constraint ...


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