from below...........God Speaks through his SON in the last days

from below...........God Speaks through his SON in the last days

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May 3rd, 2010, 1:41 pm #1

yes, God did speak through other nations and through other prophets besides the Hebrews.....



Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,


I believe these fathers were in every nation from the time of Adam.....the prophets of old were called the Nabitium....who travelled the world over.... but they were all Hebrews (ones from the other side) and I have given my reason for that many times due to the fact that the EBLA texts found in Syria (Tel Mari) show that Hebrew is the oldest language; it was a proto-Canaanite language:

sundry times
polymeros (many portions, many times, many ways)
divers manners
polytropos (many manners, fashion, means)

BUT.........

Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


ME: now, if one is not in their "last days", then they still haven't HEARD THE SON, who doesn't speak in history, but in the LAST DAYS....when he is revealed in the SOUL (Israel):



Hbr 1:3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Hbr 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.




NOW, the book of Acts says "the last days began" when the first PERSON HAD CHRIST APPEAR IN THEM, come to them, be brought forth through their own soul/heart/womb:



Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


ME: this is also when the tribulation begins in that soul:

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.







2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:


2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,


2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.




PS

Adam is the (name-MEANING) of first man who had God consciousness but he couldn't walk it out, walk with God continually because of the rise of the ego

the serpent is the crooked will that tempted Adam (mind) to ingest what his soul (Eve-heart) wanted:

all fell in the process away from God consciousness.....and need to return

God spoke of the WAY BACK through SHEM,(one of Noah's sons) whose lineage brings birth to Abraham in due time and this is when God consciousness returns through FAITH in God

the woman (soul) is saved in child bearing and Christ is the child she must bear, hence the "CHRIST is the SEED of the woman/soul)


Adam is asleep (dead in consciousness) and will RISE (be resurrected at this time when Christ is brought forth through the woman)


the serpent (will) that lost its legs (understanding) will be LIFTED UP with Christ and BECOME ONE NEW WILL.........the will of God in Christ:


creating a level of seeing and sensing beyond idolatry, which is what all Chaldea (Babylon) practiced;

Abraham's seed is Christ and Jesus said Abraham saw my day and was glad:


Christ was with Israel in the wilderness so God was always leading by this ROCK (STABLE quantum level) that helped Israel in a place that was "not of this world":


Yet Israel (SOUL destined to rule with GOD) has not yet fully crossed over till all of the BODY stands as ONE MAN

and this happens through Christ "IN THEM" rather than just OUTSIDE OF THEM, leading them from above their own consciousness


once the KING OF ISRAEL (the good new will of the soul) is born WITHIN Israel, there will be a NEW THING in the earth....


this will enable the soul to be a NEW MAN (LAST Adam)

ruled by the POWER of stability, the ROCK OF AGES, the GOOD WILL of the UNIVERSE


that is the true and everlasting GOSPEL which was from the beginning

Paul even said he wasn't saying anything new, but what was written from the beginning

so why is it called the NEW TESTAMENT?


because the truth goes from WITHOUT to WITHIN the MAN:

that makes him NEW



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May 3rd, 2010, 3:49 pm #2

You just cannot give up that cherished feeling of specialness, of superiority orthodox Christians love to hold.

As I have said before. The Hebrews needed a history for themselves, so they stole, plagiarised, the scriptures of previous religions, substituting Hebrew names for the original. And don't waste your time telling me they didn't. I've done my homework and know that is precisely what they did.

They even had the unequalled gall to name themselves God's chosen people. And gullible Christians never doubt them...amazing! Other than creating this pedestal they created for themselves, they have not one thing they didn't steal. Do I blame today's orthodox Jews? Of course not. These teachings have been handed down from generation to generation as God's irrefutable truth. Who wants to disagree with God...aside from orthodox Christians that is?

Today's Jewish-Christian teachers aren't lying. They believe what they say. The very same thing that happened with Jewish teaching being passed for generation to genneration as God's truth happened with orthodox Christianity. I won't hesitate to say that 100% of orthodox Christians don't know the origin of their New Testament allegory is with both Buddhist and Hindu. Buddhism is an off-shoot of Hinduism.

Just as th Jews passed along as God's word their plagiarised doctrine, so has Christianity done its people with the Angel-Messiah allegory, a carbon copy of the conception, birth, life death and resurrection of Shri Krishna. Should I post Krishna's story which happened some 2500 Yeats B.C.?

From the immaculate conception through the ascension, orthodox Christianity has nothing they did not get from the Orient. The Angel-Messiah allegory came to Juda via the Essenes who in turn had gotten it from an Asian Buddhist sect.

Since the beginning, back in ancient Egypt, there has existed side by side, the exoteric and the esoteric. The things I post aren't as many believe, "that New Age stuff!" These inperpretations are new to the orthodox, but not to those having done their homework. Shall I post some quotes from those living during that period during and just following the death of the rabbi Yeshua?

These escoteric interpretations are hidden in the dungeons called the Archives of the Church of Rome. One Bishop, commenting on the invention of the printing press is on record as saying, "If we don't destroy the printing Press it will dstroy us." This is but one example of the sorry mucks who started the lies handed down to you today. Once again, there's no point in blaming church members. They believe what they've been told. If inner experiences, revelations, ephanies etc, are built on Christian or Jewish foundations, they are built upon sand facing a rising tide of information which is going to destroy these foundations.

The following is copied from a very old text:

"There was," we are told, in every country having claims to civilization,an Esoteric doctrine designated WISDOM, and those who were devoted to its prosecution were first denominated Sages, or wise men. Pythagoras termed thissystem "the Gnosis or Knowledge of things that are. Under the noble designation of Wisdom, the ancient teachers, the sages of India, the magicians of Persia and Babylon, the seers and prophets of Israel, the hierophants of Ebypt and Asia, and the philosophers of Greece and the West, included all knowledge which they considered as essentially divine, classifying part as esoteric and the remainder exoteric.

There are no superior, special "children of God" to whom truth has been given while being withheld from everyone else.

There is no one people to whom a psychotic God sent his son to be tortured followed by the inhumane execution by hanging on a cross.

The human race is the Word made flesh, not certain segmennts of it only.

The only real sin is that of separateness, say Ageless Wisdom Philosophy. Have we separated ourselves by the illusion of superiority? We are our brother's keeper, not his superior.

Psalm 82.6 says we humans, NOT JUST SEMITICS WHO PRACTICE THE JEWISH RELIGION; NOT JUST ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS, but everyone, from the Headhunter to the Saint, are Gods and CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH. What isn't God is their minds which, we are told, to transmute into God mind. No, not the one in the sky; the one Psalm 82.6 speaks to.

It is assumed by Christians and Jews that this" MOST HIGH" refers to their invisible God in an invisible heaven. But this is only an assumption, NOT A FACT. According to Trans-Himalayan Philosophy plus the latest MODERN science, this "Most High" is space. Where the hell did orthodox Christians and Jews get this view of themselves as being special. Egypt was practing the religion from which sprang Christianity during that time the Hebrews were Egypts brick making slaves.

Do I need to repost the comparison of Moses to Bacchus; Moses to Zoroaster; that the Hebrews got the Deluge legend from Chaldea; that while, according to the Hebrews, the planet was conered by water from a universal Flood, Egypt was building pyramids. How many proofs of Hebrews having copied the scriptures of previous religions do you need? You're not offended by having been lied to? Or are you just in denial?
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May 3rd, 2010, 4:20 pm #3

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May 3rd, 2010, 5:18 pm #4

Tell that to the copyists God used to give us the written Word! Once again, Bob, you reveal you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!

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May 3rd, 2010, 10:48 pm #5

You just cannot give up that cherished feeling of specialness, of superiority orthodox Christians love to hold.

As I have said before. The Hebrews needed a history for themselves, so they stole, plagiarised, the scriptures of previous religions, substituting Hebrew names for the original. And don't waste your time telling me they didn't. I've done my homework and know that is precisely what they did.

They even had the unequalled gall to name themselves God's chosen people. And gullible Christians never doubt them...amazing! Other than creating this pedestal they created for themselves, they have not one thing they didn't steal. Do I blame today's orthodox Jews? Of course not. These teachings have been handed down from generation to generation as God's irrefutable truth. Who wants to disagree with God...aside from orthodox Christians that is?

Today's Jewish-Christian teachers aren't lying. They believe what they say. The very same thing that happened with Jewish teaching being passed for generation to genneration as God's truth happened with orthodox Christianity. I won't hesitate to say that 100% of orthodox Christians don't know the origin of their New Testament allegory is with both Buddhist and Hindu. Buddhism is an off-shoot of Hinduism.

Just as th Jews passed along as God's word their plagiarised doctrine, so has Christianity done its people with the Angel-Messiah allegory, a carbon copy of the conception, birth, life death and resurrection of Shri Krishna. Should I post Krishna's story which happened some 2500 Yeats B.C.?

From the immaculate conception through the ascension, orthodox Christianity has nothing they did not get from the Orient. The Angel-Messiah allegory came to Juda via the Essenes who in turn had gotten it from an Asian Buddhist sect.

Since the beginning, back in ancient Egypt, there has existed side by side, the exoteric and the esoteric. The things I post aren't as many believe, "that New Age stuff!" These inperpretations are new to the orthodox, but not to those having done their homework. Shall I post some quotes from those living during that period during and just following the death of the rabbi Yeshua?

These escoteric interpretations are hidden in the dungeons called the Archives of the Church of Rome. One Bishop, commenting on the invention of the printing press is on record as saying, "If we don't destroy the printing Press it will dstroy us." This is but one example of the sorry mucks who started the lies handed down to you today. Once again, there's no point in blaming church members. They believe what they've been told. If inner experiences, revelations, ephanies etc, are built on Christian or Jewish foundations, they are built upon sand facing a rising tide of information which is going to destroy these foundations.

The following is copied from a very old text:

"There was," we are told, in every country having claims to civilization,an Esoteric doctrine designated WISDOM, and those who were devoted to its prosecution were first denominated Sages, or wise men. Pythagoras termed thissystem "the Gnosis or Knowledge of things that are. Under the noble designation of Wisdom, the ancient teachers, the sages of India, the magicians of Persia and Babylon, the seers and prophets of Israel, the hierophants of Ebypt and Asia, and the philosophers of Greece and the West, included all knowledge which they considered as essentially divine, classifying part as esoteric and the remainder exoteric.

There are no superior, special "children of God" to whom truth has been given while being withheld from everyone else.

There is no one people to whom a psychotic God sent his son to be tortured followed by the inhumane execution by hanging on a cross.

The human race is the Word made flesh, not certain segmennts of it only.

The only real sin is that of separateness, say Ageless Wisdom Philosophy. Have we separated ourselves by the illusion of superiority? We are our brother's keeper, not his superior.

Psalm 82.6 says we humans, NOT JUST SEMITICS WHO PRACTICE THE JEWISH RELIGION; NOT JUST ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS, but everyone, from the Headhunter to the Saint, are Gods and CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH. What isn't God is their minds which, we are told, to transmute into God mind. No, not the one in the sky; the one Psalm 82.6 speaks to.

It is assumed by Christians and Jews that this" MOST HIGH" refers to their invisible God in an invisible heaven. But this is only an assumption, NOT A FACT. According to Trans-Himalayan Philosophy plus the latest MODERN science, this "Most High" is space. Where the hell did orthodox Christians and Jews get this view of themselves as being special. Egypt was practing the religion from which sprang Christianity during that time the Hebrews were Egypts brick making slaves.

Do I need to repost the comparison of Moses to Bacchus; Moses to Zoroaster; that the Hebrews got the Deluge legend from Chaldea; that while, according to the Hebrews, the planet was conered by water from a universal Flood, Egypt was building pyramids. How many proofs of Hebrews having copied the scriptures of previous religions do you need? You're not offended by having been lied to? Or are you just in denial?
EBLA, who are the ancient HEBREWS?


05/04/10 05:16:07
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From The Alpha and the Omega - Volume III
by Jim A. Cornwell, Copyright © 1/25/1999, all rights reserved
" Ebla (Tell Mardikh)"
an ancient city that flourished
between 2700 and 2200 B.C.
in what is now northern Syria.
In 1964 Italian archaeologists directed by Paolo Matthiae of the University of Rome excavated a mound in northern Syria known as Tell Mardikh. In 1968, Matthiae and his team uncovered ancient Akkadian inscriptions of King Ibbit-Lim. In this text the king identified himself as the ruler of Ebla. During excavations in 1974 and 1975, public and royal archives containing over 15,000 clay tablets came to light. The Eblaite scribes recorded information on clay tablets, inscribed in cuneiform, as (((((developed by the Sumerians))))), which was found in the ruins of the royal palace in 1974 A.D.

Clay Tablet from Ebla ((((The people of Ebla were Semites, and spoke a Semitic language that resembled ancient Hebrew))))). These 15,000 clay tablets are one of the most important archaeological discoveries in our times, yet they have not even been deciphered, translated or published complete due to political/religious boundary issues. The most likely date of these archives is about 2500 B.C.


and further down........

The Eblaite names are phonetic equivalents of the names in Hebrew.
Since then Pettinato, has disclaimed his conclusion because of the realities of modern Middle Eastern politics, specifically from the Syrian government (location of the site of Tell Mardikh), and allowing his continued work on the excavation. This relationship between Genesis and the Ebla texts may lend support to the antiquity of the Hebrew people and possibly to the claims of Israel on certain parts of the Arab world.
Excavation of sites near Lisan, the peninsula in the southeast part of the Dead Sea has made scholars such as Albright, to associated it with Bronze Age towns buried beneath the shallow waters of the south end of the Dead Sea. Their destruction in the Early Bronze Period coincided with that of the biblical cities. The abandonment of the principal site, Bâb edh-Dhra', must be dated according to Albright sometime before the foundation of Jericho IV, the Middle Bronze town, or about 1800 B.C.
Recent scholars such as Rast and Schaub are promoting new excavation of Bâb edh-Dhra' and Numeira has resulted in pushing its date of destruction to about 2350 B.C. If the cities of the plain are mentioned in the Ebla archives (2500 B.C.) and if they are to be identified with Bâb edh-Dhra', Numeira, and the other three Dead Sea sites (es-Safi, Feifeh, and Khanazir), all of which were destroyed no later than 2200/2150 B.C., a dilemma has occurred.
These revisionist implications, now thwart some historians to change Abram from Late Bronze and move him back a thousand years. Freedman, stated that "the reason that the story has never been located historically is that scholars, all of us, have been looking in the wrong millennium. Briefly put, the account in Genesis 14, and also in chapters 18-19, does not belong to the second millennium B.C., still less to the first millennium B.C., but rather to the third millennium B.C."


further down...

All this can be possible if one accepts the view that Abram and Abraham are two different individuals or the same individual transferred by supernatural means 954 years into the future.


end of article....

now I will give some scripture to clarify what EBLA probably became in scripture....even as SUMERIA becomes Samaria...the ending "IA" or YA being the GOD Jehovah: Ebla is most likely from EBAL (two letters reversed), which is one of the two mountains Moses gave and Joshua contiunued as the places to receive blessings and curses:

Deu 11:26 ¶ Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deu 11:27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

Deu 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

Deu 11:29 And it shall come to pass, when the LORD thy God hath brought thee in unto the land whither thou goest to possess it, that thou shalt put the blessing upon mount Gerizim (CUTTING OFF-a mountain in Northern Israel near Shechem from which the blessings were read to the Isaelites upon entering Canaan; site of the Samaritan temple built after captivity; means also "the form", from garaz-to cut off, be cut off, separate, destroyed), and the curse upon mount Ebal (STONE or bare mountain, also "to be bald"). (the meaning of bald is that it is a shame for a man to have long hair and making oneself bald shows that one moves from WOMAN (who has her hair as a covering) to a MAN:

now lets look at Deuteronomy 27 to understand that EBAL are the cursed ones hence these are the children of the Kingdom who are cast into the outer darkness where there will be gnashing of teeth......because these will be made NEW IN JUDGMENT OF FIRE.....


Deu 27:4 Therefore it shall be when ye be gone over Jordan, [that] ye shall set up these stones, which I command you this day, in mount Ebal, and thou shalt plaister them with plaister.
THE STONES on the other side of the Jordan (descender) will be set in Mt Ebal and be plaistered (siyd, siyd-whitewash, lime, made by burning bones; from

look at these people (STONES) here....and remember it is written that Jesus Christ was made a CURSE


Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

right after Joshua hangs King Ai (heap of ruins) on a tree he speaks of
Ai is from iy (ruin, heap) from the root to overturn, destroy: from avah (to bend, twist, distort, pervert, do iniquity)
Jos 8:29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcase down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, [that remaineth] unto this day.
those stones (WITNESSES) are the sons of God, and the remain unto this day:

Joshua called them "Gilead or "heap of stones, heap of witnesses": these are the LIVING STONES built up into a house of God once they are made RIGHTEOUS by being Joined to Jesus Christ:

Jos 8:30 ¶ Then Joshua built an altar unto the LORD God of Israel in mount Ebal,

Jos 8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up [any] iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

Jos 8:32 And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.

Jos 8:33 And all Israel, and their elders, and officers, and their judges, stood on this side the ark and on that side before the priests the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, as well the stranger, as he that was born among them; half of them over against mount Gerizim, and half of them over against mount Ebal; as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded before, that they should bless the people of Israel.

Jos 8:34 And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.

Jos 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them.

One more detour before I return to Isaiah 33 for a minute...

here we go to John 4....

Jhn 4:1 ¶ When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

Jhn 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Jhn 4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

Jhn 4:4 And he must needs go through Samaria.

ME: here we see that Jesus had to go through Samaria (capital of Israel who worshipped on MT GERIZIM)

Jhn 4:5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar (drunken-wine given before destruction; it is probably Shechem (back, shoulder) according to Strongs: near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.
here we see like with Nabal (wicked stupid man) that the Lord kills at the feast when he gets drunk so David can marry Abigail:


Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Pro 31:7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
ME: here we see that this is the ground Jacob gave to Joseph whose son Ephraim becomes Israel...remember God will make ONE STICK/TRIBE out of Judah and Ephraim....so continue with the story...

Jhn 4:6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with [his] journey, sat thus on the well: [and] it was about the sixth hour.

Jhn 4:7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.

Jhn 4:8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)

Jhn 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

ME: here is the division between Israel and Judah revealed in this discussion but remember, JESUS must come first to the "LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL" before he reveals himself to the JEW.....

Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Jhn 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

Jhn 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

Jhn 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

going down to verse 19....


Jhn 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

Jhn 4:20 (((Our fathers worshipped in this mountain)))); and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

Jhn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: ((((for salvation is of the Jews))))).

Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when ((((the true worshippers))))) shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Jhn 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he].

Jhn 4:27 ¶ And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

Jhn 4:28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,

Jhn 4:29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

Jhn 4:30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him



back to Isaiah 33....

Isa 33:12 And the people shall be [as] the burnings of lime: [as] thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

Isa 33:13 Hear, ye [that are] far off, what I have done; and, ye [that are] near, acknowledge my might.

Isa 33:14 ¶ The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Isa 33:15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;

Isa 33:16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence [shall be] the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters [shall be] sure.

Isa 33:17 ¶ Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.

Isa 33:18 Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where [is] the scribe? where [is] the receiver? where [is] he that counted the towers?

Isa 33:19 Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a stammering tongue, [that thou canst] not understand.

Isa 33:20 Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle [that] shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken.

Isa 33:21 But there the glorious LORD [will be] unto us a place of broad rivers [and] streams; wherein shall go no galley with oars, neither shall gallant ship pass thereby.

Isa 33:22 For the LORD [is] our judge, the LORD [is] our lawgiver, the LORD [is] our king; he will save us.

Isa 33:23 Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey.

Isa 33:24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein [shall be] forgiven [their] iniquity.

Deu 27:5 And there shalt thou build an altar unto the LORD thy God, an altar of stones: thou shalt not lift up [any] iron [tool] upon them.

and back to Deuteronomy 27 to show the purpose of these stones....

Deu 27:6 Thou shalt build the altar of the LORD thy God of whole stones: and thou shalt offer burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD thy God:

Deu 27:7 And thou shalt offer peace offerings, and shalt eat there, and rejoice before the LORD thy God.

Deu 27:8 And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly.

Deu 11:30 [Are] they not on the other side Jordan, by the way where the sun goeth down, in the land of the Canaanites, which dwell in the champaign over against Gilgal, beside the plains of Moreh?

Deu 11:31 For ye shall pass over Jordan to go in to possess the land which the LORD your God giveth you, and ye shall possess it, and dwell therein.

Deu 11:32 And ye shall observe to do all the statutes and judgments which I set before you this day.


after studying ancient civilizations and religions as much as I did, I came to an easy conclusion once I experienced the "COMING OF JESUS" in my own soul, who took me to the "other side" (Hebrew) and joined Samaria (SUMER)(Israel's capital) and Judah (EBLA) back into one Kingdom inside of me:

SUMER which is a civilization nobody can trace, becomes Egypt later but it is written that the Egyptian are Jehovah's people.....Isaiah 19:19,
Israel is the SOUL that comes out of Egypt or the ego, hence Moses is really the soul of the PHAROAH that he escapes; most likely Toth (scribe) Mosis:

Hebrews are those who came from the other side, from heaven, hence Jacob knew he was a stranger, a pilgrim in the earth:

there is much to say about this, much evidence in the Bible that all cultures come from these first cultures who were the Hebrews that spread the whole EARTH with civilization, hence the gods who from heaven came who also married the daughters of adam/man:
Adam then was the first Man made from the earth (joined to those who evolved from the dust): Adam was to RAISE UP THE EARTH to a higher civilization and remain in Eden (HIGHER DIMENSION OF PLEASURE by walking with God) and not be cast out of this consciousness while he not only GAVE NAMES to all animals (sensual beings and desires): but he was to bring the KNOWLEDGE OF HOW GOD WORKS IN his creation to the "no people" of the earth:

gentiles are called "not a people" while Israel is called "a people" in the Bible:

why? Because people were ready to receive higher consciousness and the gods came to show them how through LANGUAGE which appeared around the time of all the first WRITINGS, even the symbolic writings of the ancient world.

now after six thousand years, Israel (those who rule with God) have been exiled among all nations so their SEED is in all people and these are ready to RECEIVE THE HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS that will come with CHRIST in them:
Since Christ will COME DIRECTLY TO ISRAEL within the gentile, he will not only resurrect ISRAEL within the gentile, but the gentile will be RAISED WITH ISRAEL as one MAN: Romans 11

nations all benefit from the gods but these gods who caused consciousness to be raised through writing and communication on a higher level, showing the people how to work with all kinds of things that come from the earth......and build great monuments that withstand the test of time, Israel fell lower than the gentiles since they had a higher consciousness to begin with:
it was the fact that Israel fell for the sake of the gentiles that made the world more evil through higher intelligence than if they were still trying to figure out how to build things and communicate without this help: It would have taken beings much longer to figure out how to develop weapons of mass destruction than they did with higher intelligence.

the Bible calls these wandering stars (who will fall on the great day of the LORD), who are trapped in darkness forever because of their desire for "strange flesh", becoming like human, becoming sexual beings instead of being able to procreate without the pain that sensual beings have:
Jude (Judah) talks about this fact and their EVENTUAL transformation and return to the "other side":

Jud 1:1 ¶ Jude, (Judah) the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James,(Jacob) to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called:

Jud 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

Jud 1:3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend (fight with adversaries, struggle, strive with difficulty and dangers, zeal to obtain something) for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

ME: This faith was ONCE delivered unto the saints: this faith of the COMMON SALVATION:
common is the word "koinos", which also means "unholy, unclean, defiled":
salvation "soteria" means deliverance, preservation, safety from molestation of enemies:
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained (prographo-to write before time, to set forth or designated before hand, to depict or portray openly, to write before the eyes of all who can read) to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
these men who were before time ordained for condemnation (Krima-JUDGMENT), decree, punishment: from krino (to separate, put assunder, to pick out, choose, approve, esteem, prefer, rule, govern)
these are ungodly men (asebes-destitute or reverential awe towards God, condemning God): also used in Romans chapters 4 and 5 as the "ungodly that Christ died for", and those ungodly who are justified through faith that is counted as righteousness:
it is also used in 2 Peter 3:7 along with perdition and ungodly men that the fire of judgment is reserved for:
in verse 15 of Jude, these are the ungodly who are judged:

in Romans 11 we read that God will send a deliverer to turn all UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB:

Jude vrs 5 continues to remind these that God already saved the people out of Egypt but afterward destroyed them that believed NOT.


Jud 1:5 ¶ I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

These angels which kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the JUDGMENT of the GREAT DAY:

first estate is the word "arche", that means "beginning, origin, that by which anything begins, the extremity of a thing, first place, principality, rule magistry, angels and demons:

these left their own habitation (oiketerion-dwelling, of the body as a dwelling place of the Spirit):

that same word is found in 2 Cor 5:2 as the word "HOUSE":

2Cr 5:1 ¶ For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house (oika) not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2Cr 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house (OIKETERION) which is from heaven:

2Cr 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

2Cr 5:4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

In Revelation to the church of Ephesus (permitted forward) we read that these have not yet REMEMBERED THEIR FIRST LOVE, even though they did not DENY JESUS name:
the first love is remembering the FATHER, where they came from....



Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

strange flesh (heteros-another, the other of two, to number as opposed to some former thing; another; i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind,

Jud 1:8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

NOTICE "filthy" is in parenthesis because the word "dreamers" is enypniazomai, to dream, divinely suggested, to be BEGUILED with sensual images and carried away to an impious course of conduct:
this word is used only one other time in Acts 2:


Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams (ENYPNIAZOMAI):
hence the old man is crucified with Christ to rid themselves of this dream:

look at this verse to witness even more...


Psa 73:20 As a dream when [one] awaketh; [so], O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Psa 126:1 [[A Song of degrees.]] When the LORD turned again the captivity of Zion, we were like them that dream.


Dan 2:3 And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream.


Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, ((your old men shall dream dreams)))), your young men shall see visions:

the division between the OLD MAN and YOUNG man happens at the time of the VISITATION when GOD POURS OUT HIS SPIRIT upon "ALL FLESH", strange and not strange: gentile and Israel within them, especially JUDAH whom this book is written to:


Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Remember Michael will stand in the last days for the children of Israel:
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

the BODY OF MOSES are the children of Israel that are not gathered till this time and the devil contends for these....hence Satan sifts those whom CHRIST VISITS.....to overcome Satan in them:

Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Jud 1:12 ¶ These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

ME: these are the lost tribes of Israel; the ones that didn't make it with Moses; that like KORAH were swallowed up in the EARTH TILL GOD DOES A NEW THING IN THEM....look.

Num 16:30 But if the LORD make ((((a new thing)))), and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that [appertain] unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.


Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Jud 1:16 ¶ These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Jud 1:20 ¶ But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jud 1:24 ¶ Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.



Jesus saves the gods, hence he comes FIRST to the LOST SHEEP of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL, and through this "judgement comes first to the HOUSE OF GOD":

but.......since the nations are grafted into these fallen branches, they will both be LIFTED UP TOGETHER, Romans 11

and there will be neither male or female (BUT A NEW CREATION) and neither Jew or Greek (BUT a NEW MAN):



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May 3rd, 2010, 10:51 pm #6

You just cannot give up that cherished feeling of specialness, of superiority orthodox Christians love to hold.

As I have said before. The Hebrews needed a history for themselves, so they stole, plagiarised, the scriptures of previous religions, substituting Hebrew names for the original. And don't waste your time telling me they didn't. I've done my homework and know that is precisely what they did.

They even had the unequalled gall to name themselves God's chosen people. And gullible Christians never doubt them...amazing! Other than creating this pedestal they created for themselves, they have not one thing they didn't steal. Do I blame today's orthodox Jews? Of course not. These teachings have been handed down from generation to generation as God's irrefutable truth. Who wants to disagree with God...aside from orthodox Christians that is?

Today's Jewish-Christian teachers aren't lying. They believe what they say. The very same thing that happened with Jewish teaching being passed for generation to genneration as God's truth happened with orthodox Christianity. I won't hesitate to say that 100% of orthodox Christians don't know the origin of their New Testament allegory is with both Buddhist and Hindu. Buddhism is an off-shoot of Hinduism.

Just as th Jews passed along as God's word their plagiarised doctrine, so has Christianity done its people with the Angel-Messiah allegory, a carbon copy of the conception, birth, life death and resurrection of Shri Krishna. Should I post Krishna's story which happened some 2500 Yeats B.C.?

From the immaculate conception through the ascension, orthodox Christianity has nothing they did not get from the Orient. The Angel-Messiah allegory came to Juda via the Essenes who in turn had gotten it from an Asian Buddhist sect.

Since the beginning, back in ancient Egypt, there has existed side by side, the exoteric and the esoteric. The things I post aren't as many believe, "that New Age stuff!" These inperpretations are new to the orthodox, but not to those having done their homework. Shall I post some quotes from those living during that period during and just following the death of the rabbi Yeshua?

These escoteric interpretations are hidden in the dungeons called the Archives of the Church of Rome. One Bishop, commenting on the invention of the printing press is on record as saying, "If we don't destroy the printing Press it will dstroy us." This is but one example of the sorry mucks who started the lies handed down to you today. Once again, there's no point in blaming church members. They believe what they've been told. If inner experiences, revelations, ephanies etc, are built on Christian or Jewish foundations, they are built upon sand facing a rising tide of information which is going to destroy these foundations.

The following is copied from a very old text:

"There was," we are told, in every country having claims to civilization,an Esoteric doctrine designated WISDOM, and those who were devoted to its prosecution were first denominated Sages, or wise men. Pythagoras termed thissystem "the Gnosis or Knowledge of things that are. Under the noble designation of Wisdom, the ancient teachers, the sages of India, the magicians of Persia and Babylon, the seers and prophets of Israel, the hierophants of Ebypt and Asia, and the philosophers of Greece and the West, included all knowledge which they considered as essentially divine, classifying part as esoteric and the remainder exoteric.

There are no superior, special "children of God" to whom truth has been given while being withheld from everyone else.

There is no one people to whom a psychotic God sent his son to be tortured followed by the inhumane execution by hanging on a cross.

The human race is the Word made flesh, not certain segmennts of it only.

The only real sin is that of separateness, say Ageless Wisdom Philosophy. Have we separated ourselves by the illusion of superiority? We are our brother's keeper, not his superior.

Psalm 82.6 says we humans, NOT JUST SEMITICS WHO PRACTICE THE JEWISH RELIGION; NOT JUST ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS, but everyone, from the Headhunter to the Saint, are Gods and CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH. What isn't God is their minds which, we are told, to transmute into God mind. No, not the one in the sky; the one Psalm 82.6 speaks to.

It is assumed by Christians and Jews that this" MOST HIGH" refers to their invisible God in an invisible heaven. But this is only an assumption, NOT A FACT. According to Trans-Himalayan Philosophy plus the latest MODERN science, this "Most High" is space. Where the hell did orthodox Christians and Jews get this view of themselves as being special. Egypt was practing the religion from which sprang Christianity during that time the Hebrews were Egypts brick making slaves.

Do I need to repost the comparison of Moses to Bacchus; Moses to Zoroaster; that the Hebrews got the Deluge legend from Chaldea; that while, according to the Hebrews, the planet was conered by water from a universal Flood, Egypt was building pyramids. How many proofs of Hebrews having copied the scriptures of previous religions do you need? You're not offended by having been lied to? Or are you just in denial?
I don't understand you

I speak of how all scripture speaks of HOW GOD WORKS IN US and you want to focus your hate on what Christian believe......again

I guess its just not worth trying to really discuss things with you Striver since it always winds up about YOUR anger at Christianity while you quote the Bible to prove that we are gods and use the word CHRIST to prove everything you don't believe about Christians:

wierd to be sure

but its your story and you have to stick to it I suppose

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May 4th, 2010, 5:21 pm #8

Scripture cannot be copied. Scripture is pure truth and can only be spoken, or shown by deed.


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"Error does not become Truth because it is widely accepted; Truth does not become error, even when it stands alone!"
(Thanks Kristy)
There has been a book arounf for a long time called "The Sixteen Crucified Saviors." As usual, Christianity, with this way they have of just denying anything they wish weren't true, simply denied the contents of this book. But those who've studied Comparative Religion known this book is accurate. I can't copt them all, so I',, just compare Jesus and Crishna. You know the Jesus story, no need to post it. Also, to save time, I'm going to hit the high spots only.

Ceishna was born of a chaste virgin called Devaki who was selected by God because of her purity.

The birth of Crishna was announced in the heavens by a star.

Crishna, thourh royally decended, was born in a cave.

The divine child was recognized and adored by cowherds who prostrated themselves before the divine child.

Crishna was received with honors and presented with gifts of sangalwood and perfumes.

Soon after the birth of Criishna, the holy Indian prophet Nared, hearing of the fame of the infant Crishna, pays him a visit at Gohul, examines the star and declares him to be of celestial decent.

Crishna was born at a time when Nanda, his foster-father was away from home, having come to the city to pay his tax or yearly tribute, to the king.

Crishna's father was warned by a heavenly voice to, "fly with the child to Gacool, across the river Jumna, as the reigning monarch sought his life.

The ruler of the country in which Crishna was born, having been informed of the birth of the divine child sought to destroy him. For this purpose, he ordered the massacre in all his states, of all the children of the males sex., born during the night of the birth of Crishna.

Crishna was preceded by Rama (Jesus, John the Baptist) who was born a short time before him, and whose life was sought by Kansa, the ruling monarch.

One of the firat miracles performed by Crishna was the curing of a leper.

Crishna was crucified and is shown with his arms extended, hanging on a cross.

At the time of Crishna's death there were great calamities. A black circle surrounded the moon...the sun was darkenened at noon...the sky rained fire and ashes... sprits were seen on all sides.''Crishna was pierced by an arrow.

Crishna said to the hunter who shot him, "Go hunter, through my favor, to heaven.

Crishna decended into hell.

Crishna, after being put to death, rose again from the dead.

Crishna ascended bodily into heaven , witnessed by many.

Crishna is be the judge of the dead at the last day.

Crishna had a beloved disciple named Arjuna...Jesus had John.

Crishna was transfigured before Arjuna.

Criishna is the second person in the Hindu trinity.

Crishna was the Light of the world.

And as I said, I merely touched upon the high spots. The same can be said of the Buddha uo to and including the Transfiguration. Vishnu also.

The New Testament is almost a carbon copy of the Crishna thing.

Want to hear about Gautama? His virgin mother's name is Maya. Sound like Mary to you? Oh yeah, Gautama lived 500 years B.C.
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May 9th, 2010, 1:55 am #9

Tell that to the copyists God used to give us the written Word! Once again, Bob, you reveal you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!

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