Exposing the allegorical false Christs

Exposing the allegorical false Christs

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March 29th, 2010, 1:39 pm #1

Allegorical interpreters of Scriptures do so under assumptions.

Allegorical interpretation assumes the text has a meaning other than what the literal wording says. Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method. Practiced initially by Philo of Alexandria, who tried to mix Greek philosophy and Judaism. Followed by Clement and Origen on the Christian side.

WHAT ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETORS CONSISTENTLY MISS

Most everyone understands that there are ways of figuring out what someone means by their words when they speak with you. For example, if you walk in on a conversation and hear one person say to another "I really hate it when you do that", you don't really know what it is that the person hates, do you? However, chances are you will have ways of figuring this out, or interpreting what was said. Your first thought might be to wonder what the rest of the conversation was about, or who is on the other end of the phone. This is called CONTEXT. You know that if you can figure out what the CONTEXT was, you might be able to figure out what it is that this person hates. It's clear that WITHOUT KNOWING THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION you wouldn't have a clue about how to figure out what was being discussed.

I had to ask to Yvonne 7 times about what the writer of Hebrews stated in ..

Heb 10:24-25
24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging {one another} and all the more, as you see the day drawing near. (NAS)

I asked her IF she physically attended a church with OTHER Christians and after she seven times finally responded with...

***that we are the CHURCH of the LIVING GOD

and yes, I attend it every day,heck, it goes whereever I go,amazing huh?****

However because Yvonne INCORRECTLY INTERPRETS THE SCRIPTURES she AGAIN MISSES the point the writer of the verses was attempting to get across.

*NOTICE

Heb 10:24-25
24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging {one another} and all the more, as you see the day drawing near.
(NAS)

1. The writer is addressing Hebrew Christians who were acting like the Hebrews of the OT instead living in the NEWNESS of life as Christians. They were slipping back into their old ways.

2. Looking at the verses the writer is giving WISE INSTRUCTION on how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, by NOT FORSAKING the assembling together as apparently Yvonne has done.

So NOW we can see the consequence of what Yvonne is doing. Because SHE HAS HABITUALLY NEGLECTED the physical assembling with other Christians she has fallen for a FALSE CHRIST and has MISSED the TRUE MESSAGE of the Scriptures by giving some phony excuses like "we are the CHURCH of the LIVING GOD" and she attends church everyday of the week. That's pure HOGWASH and should be ignored. She represents a false Christ, and wouldn't have a clue on what the Bible is ACTUALLY SAYING.


















Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal

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March 29th, 2010, 1:53 pm #2

Yvonne fellowshipping with lots of believers for the past ten years. Your accusations are nonsense. JB
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March 29th, 2010, 2:09 pm #3

Allegorical interpreters of Scriptures do so under assumptions.

Allegorical interpretation assumes the text has a meaning other than what the literal wording says. Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method. Practiced initially by Philo of Alexandria, who tried to mix Greek philosophy and Judaism. Followed by Clement and Origen on the Christian side.

WHAT ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETORS CONSISTENTLY MISS

Most everyone understands that there are ways of figuring out what someone means by their words when they speak with you. For example, if you walk in on a conversation and hear one person say to another "I really hate it when you do that", you don't really know what it is that the person hates, do you? However, chances are you will have ways of figuring this out, or interpreting what was said. Your first thought might be to wonder what the rest of the conversation was about, or who is on the other end of the phone. This is called CONTEXT. You know that if you can figure out what the CONTEXT was, you might be able to figure out what it is that this person hates. It's clear that WITHOUT KNOWING THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION you wouldn't have a clue about how to figure out what was being discussed.

I had to ask to Yvonne 7 times about what the writer of Hebrews stated in ..

Heb 10:24-25
24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging {one another} and all the more, as you see the day drawing near. (NAS)

I asked her IF she physically attended a church with OTHER Christians and after she seven times finally responded with...

***that we are the CHURCH of the LIVING GOD

and yes, I attend it every day,heck, it goes whereever I go,amazing huh?****

However because Yvonne INCORRECTLY INTERPRETS THE SCRIPTURES she AGAIN MISSES the point the writer of the verses was attempting to get across.

*NOTICE

Heb 10:24-25
24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging {one another} and all the more, as you see the day drawing near.
(NAS)

1. The writer is addressing Hebrew Christians who were acting like the Hebrews of the OT instead living in the NEWNESS of life as Christians. They were slipping back into their old ways.

2. Looking at the verses the writer is giving WISE INSTRUCTION on how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, by NOT FORSAKING the assembling together as apparently Yvonne has done.

So NOW we can see the consequence of what Yvonne is doing. Because SHE HAS HABITUALLY NEGLECTED the physical assembling with other Christians she has fallen for a FALSE CHRIST and has MISSED the TRUE MESSAGE of the Scriptures by giving some phony excuses like "we are the CHURCH of the LIVING GOD" and she attends church everyday of the week. That's pure HOGWASH and should be ignored. She represents a false Christ, and wouldn't have a clue on what the Bible is ACTUALLY SAYING.


















Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal
Where does God abide?


And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Are suggesting that you are correct because you assemble in a place with a group of people where you all agree and call yourself things like: "assembly of the church of whatever name you decided to call yourself?"

What church did Abraham attend?


To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,



Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.


The speech you make an attempt to castigate is in heaven and its the reason you cannot hear!


Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

If You walk in the Spirit as God's sons do, then you walk in agreement.


But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.



For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.



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March 29th, 2010, 2:43 pm #4

Allegorical interpreters of Scriptures do so under assumptions.

Allegorical interpretation assumes the text has a meaning other than what the literal wording says. Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method. Practiced initially by Philo of Alexandria, who tried to mix Greek philosophy and Judaism. Followed by Clement and Origen on the Christian side.

WHAT ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETORS CONSISTENTLY MISS

Most everyone understands that there are ways of figuring out what someone means by their words when they speak with you. For example, if you walk in on a conversation and hear one person say to another "I really hate it when you do that", you don't really know what it is that the person hates, do you? However, chances are you will have ways of figuring this out, or interpreting what was said. Your first thought might be to wonder what the rest of the conversation was about, or who is on the other end of the phone. This is called CONTEXT. You know that if you can figure out what the CONTEXT was, you might be able to figure out what it is that this person hates. It's clear that WITHOUT KNOWING THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION you wouldn't have a clue about how to figure out what was being discussed.

I had to ask to Yvonne 7 times about what the writer of Hebrews stated in ..

Heb 10:24-25
24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging {one another} and all the more, as you see the day drawing near. (NAS)

I asked her IF she physically attended a church with OTHER Christians and after she seven times finally responded with...

***that we are the CHURCH of the LIVING GOD

and yes, I attend it every day,heck, it goes whereever I go,amazing huh?****

However because Yvonne INCORRECTLY INTERPRETS THE SCRIPTURES she AGAIN MISSES the point the writer of the verses was attempting to get across.

*NOTICE

Heb 10:24-25
24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging {one another} and all the more, as you see the day drawing near.
(NAS)

1. The writer is addressing Hebrew Christians who were acting like the Hebrews of the OT instead living in the NEWNESS of life as Christians. They were slipping back into their old ways.

2. Looking at the verses the writer is giving WISE INSTRUCTION on how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, by NOT FORSAKING the assembling together as apparently Yvonne has done.

So NOW we can see the consequence of what Yvonne is doing. Because SHE HAS HABITUALLY NEGLECTED the physical assembling with other Christians she has fallen for a FALSE CHRIST and has MISSED the TRUE MESSAGE of the Scriptures by giving some phony excuses like "we are the CHURCH of the LIVING GOD" and she attends church everyday of the week. That's pure HOGWASH and should be ignored. She represents a false Christ, and wouldn't have a clue on what the Bible is ACTUALLY SAYING.


















Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal
"Allegorical interpretation assumes the text has a meaning other than what the literal wording says. Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method."


If so, it infers Jesus did not speak in parables and every word attributed to Jesus must therefore be interpret literally. Every word.

What does that mean? For instance: when we read in Matthew 18:7-9 what Jesus said, Jesus didn't use allegories to convey something symbolically because "Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method"; Jesus meant it therefore exactly as is: literally.

To modern eyes and ears, Jesus' statements in Matthew 18:7-9 are totally ridiculous and on several different levels too; Jesus has completely missed the actual remedy; Jesus is makling stuff up since he dispenses advice that is completely useless and recklessly dangerous as well.

To Christian eyes and ears, Jesus' statements in Matthew 18:7-9 make perfect sense; they only have to interpret what Jesus said in Matthew 18:7-9 literally, which is easy, because Jesus did not use allegories to convey meaning since "Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method".


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March 29th, 2010, 2:46 pm #5

Where does God abide?


And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Are suggesting that you are correct because you assemble in a place with a group of people where you all agree and call yourself things like: "assembly of the church of whatever name you decided to call yourself?"

What church did Abraham attend?


To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,



Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.


The speech you make an attempt to castigate is in heaven and its the reason you cannot hear!


Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

If You walk in the Spirit as God's sons do, then you walk in agreement.


But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.



For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.


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March 29th, 2010, 3:02 pm #6

"Allegorical interpretation assumes the text has a meaning other than what the literal wording says. Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method."


If so, it infers Jesus did not speak in parables and every word attributed to Jesus must therefore be interpret literally. Every word.

What does that mean? For instance: when we read in Matthew 18:7-9 what Jesus said, Jesus didn't use allegories to convey something symbolically because "Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method"; Jesus meant it therefore exactly as is: literally.

To modern eyes and ears, Jesus' statements in Matthew 18:7-9 are totally ridiculous and on several different levels too; Jesus has completely missed the actual remedy; Jesus is makling stuff up since he dispenses advice that is completely useless and recklessly dangerous as well.

To Christian eyes and ears, Jesus' statements in Matthew 18:7-9 make perfect sense; they only have to interpret what Jesus said in Matthew 18:7-9 literally, which is easy, because Jesus did not use allegories to convey meaning since "Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method".


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The most sure way to establish truth
is by facts, and facts are determined
by the properties that define them.
Weird concept huh?
Jesus speaks the plain truth - The allegorical interporetations are man's.

Interesting thing about truth. It may mean different things to different people at different times of their lives - but it is always true and it is aleays relevant.


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March 29th, 2010, 3:06 pm #7

John called him the 'Lamb of God'. JB
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March 29th, 2010, 3:08 pm #8

Jesus speaks the plain truth - The allegorical interporetations are man's.

Interesting thing about truth. It may mean different things to different people at different times of their lives - but it is always true and it is aleays relevant.

He called people vipers? JB
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March 29th, 2010, 3:10 pm #9

Jesus speaks the plain truth - The allegorical interporetations are man's.

Interesting thing about truth. It may mean different things to different people at different times of their lives - but it is always true and it is aleays relevant.

He asked Peter to feed his sheep. JB
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March 29th, 2010, 3:33 pm #10

"Allegorical interpretation assumes the text has a meaning other than what the literal wording says. Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method."


If so, it infers Jesus did not speak in parables and every word attributed to Jesus must therefore be interpret literally. Every word.

What does that mean? For instance: when we read in Matthew 18:7-9 what Jesus said, Jesus didn't use allegories to convey something symbolically because "Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method"; Jesus meant it therefore exactly as is: literally.

To modern eyes and ears, Jesus' statements in Matthew 18:7-9 are totally ridiculous and on several different levels too; Jesus has completely missed the actual remedy; Jesus is makling stuff up since he dispenses advice that is completely useless and recklessly dangerous as well.

To Christian eyes and ears, Jesus' statements in Matthew 18:7-9 make perfect sense; they only have to interpret what Jesus said in Matthew 18:7-9 literally, which is easy, because Jesus did not use allegories to convey meaning since "Jesus (God the Son) NEVER used this method".


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The most sure way to establish truth
is by facts, and facts are determined
by the properties that define them.
Weird concept huh?
Luke 4:5 Then the devil took him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple... JB
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