Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

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June 11th, 2012, 4:09 pm #1

Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

This quote indicates that the creation of evil is an ongoing process by God and that he creates evil for his pleasure. This makes sense in that God would not create something that he did not want in the world or that would displease him.

As a Gnostic Christian, I recognize that the concept of God is all myth.

Literal and historic belief did not generally come about till about the years 80. 50 years after the death of Jesus. In fact, Jesus was not declared divine till the Trinity concept was accepted, by the force of Constantine in 380.

Having said this, I recognize why the ancient thinkers would say that God is pleased when he creates evil in the world.

Do you understand how and why God gains pleasure from creating evil and sin?

If not, why do you think God would create evil and sin for his displeasure?

If God does not do or create evil as some think, then who else has the power to create evil?

Regards
DL

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June 11th, 2012, 7:18 pm #2

We need to let go of our rigid perception(s) that "God" is something rigid and defined and literal ... as we see written in the Bible.

I go with logic as the master key for figuring out the nature of "God". If something is defined and explained, then the explanation has to make logical sense. If it doesn't make logical sense ... then it isn't true. We see that the writer of John's gospel cottoned to this idea as well.

"In the beginning was logical expression and logical expression was with "God" and logical expression WAS "God". Then the logical expression was made flesh (human) and ... "lived" amongst us."

We see from the Pope's little video on fractals that patterns repeat themselves endlessly and are the essence of all shapes and actions we observe happening in our own "real" world. So let's assume that's true for everything ... (as a premise for testing the logic of what I'm going to propose).

In the Lord's prayer we see ... "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" ... or ... "as in heaven, so on earth." There we see an expression of mirroring.

Let's assume then (again, only as a premise and not as a mindless assumption/conclusion) ... that everything occurring on earth in our "real" world ... is a mirror of what is occurring with "God."

It's pretty easy to see what is happening on earth in OUR own world if we look carefully.

How do our own power structures work? Are they good or evil? Is it possible to have all good and no opportunity for evil to express itself? Who decides to "clean up" all the evil -like good housekeeping from time to time- so that it doesn't become so all-pervasive that it destroys everyone?

And then let's look at creation ...

We humans create ourselves some marvelous technology that is far greater than ourselves (in some respects) but totally stupid in comparison to ourselves in other respects. We can worship technology or we can despise it. It can serve good useful purpose but it can also turn into some terrible evil and be used against us. "It" ... is simply our own creation and yet "it" is something that we cannot be ourselves.

So let's think about "God" then ... in the same way. Suppose "God" is just an immense pool of diversified "mind" ... without material substance: pure logical mind/expression...

"God" created the heavens and earth; turned energy into "substance" ... in order to manifest something "greater" than itself ... just as we create technology to do and be something that we cannot do and be ourselves.

Suppose "God" -through agreement of its diversified mind- created human beings as a material expression of itself. Do we have any comparable example in our own "real" world to refer to?

I say that yes ... we do. We have our (relatively very new) ... computer age. Let's think of ourselves as "God" for a minute ... and our computer creation as "man."

It wasn't through an expression of pure love and light that the computer was created; it was thousands of individual -and often adverse- MINDS that created what we have today. They often fought with each other and hated each other and DESTROYED each other ... in their race to become the ultimate "winner".

The computer creators cooperated with each other through love of the system that they were creating and which was emerging. They certainly didn't love each OTHER as a primary starting point; they loved the creation they were serving ... with an "agape" love -- a love of dedication and sacrifice for the reward of achievement. They served selflessly but selfishly too. And then .... through their common servitude and respect for each others' achievements ... they also (often) developed other loves ... intimate and brotherly types of love for each other. (eros and fillio).

But there are definitely ALSO "evil" aspects to this whole creation thing ... and you never know WHO will TURN evil.

Microsoft is currently at the top of the heap with their operating system. They should be proud and benevolent ... but are they? Nope. The MORE power they get, the more intrusive, deceptive and tyrannical they become. Eventually, their consumers will say, "ENOUGH" ... drop the entire Microsoft system and go with something else. At that point, Microsoft will have destroyed ITSELF. Why? Is there any LOGIC to tyrannical behavior? Ultimately, no. There's no logic to explain the behavior and it leads to self-destruction but for some reason ... it always seems to happen regardless. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Perhaps the same phenomenon happens with "God" as well?

So ... summing up this whole premise now ...

"God" is only pure logical mind/expression which created the universe, life and humans as a MATERIAL manifestation of its will and wishes to give itself a capability it never had before. In this case ... "God" needs us every bit as much as we need God. In this case, we are greater than God because of what we can materially do. There is an engineer/computer relation here that's very hard to comprehend unless we look at what has actually happened with us. We create the computer which is greater than ourselves but ... the computer is useless and pointless without our use of it. It could be that the same is true for God and man.

In my premise, there is neither a good or evil "God". It created everything ... true ... but there is evil created as well and ... we can never know for sure if good might turn into evil from getting too much power/control.

God needs us as much as we need God because we are the physical manifestation of something that pure mind can NOT be.

God is keenly interested in what we do ... just as we are keenly interested in what computers can and will do.

And I think my paradigm fits in well with Bible description ... to logically explain the many seeming conflicts and contradictions contained within it. Tell me if/where/when you see that it doesn't.

-Vince
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June 11th, 2012, 10:46 pm #3

I do not see that as the cause of scriptural idiocy. The competition you speak of should have weeded out idiocies over time, not make more of them.

There was no competition because Constantine killed them off and tried to burn all their scriptures. He failed.

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June 12th, 2012, 12:42 am #4

Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

This quote indicates that the creation of evil is an ongoing process by God and that he creates evil for his pleasure. This makes sense in that God would not create something that he did not want in the world or that would displease him.

As a Gnostic Christian, I recognize that the concept of God is all myth.

Literal and historic belief did not generally come about till about the years 80. 50 years after the death of Jesus. In fact, Jesus was not declared divine till the Trinity concept was accepted, by the force of Constantine in 380.

Having said this, I recognize why the ancient thinkers would say that God is pleased when he creates evil in the world.

Do you understand how and why God gains pleasure from creating evil and sin?

If not, why do you think God would create evil and sin for his displeasure?

If God does not do or create evil as some think, then who else has the power to create evil?

Regards
DL
Isaiah45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Jonah3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

1 Chronicles21:15
And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand.
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June 12th, 2012, 6:30 am #5

We need to let go of our rigid perception(s) that "God" is something rigid and defined and literal ... as we see written in the Bible.

I go with logic as the master key for figuring out the nature of "God". If something is defined and explained, then the explanation has to make logical sense. If it doesn't make logical sense ... then it isn't true. We see that the writer of John's gospel cottoned to this idea as well.

"In the beginning was logical expression and logical expression was with "God" and logical expression WAS "God". Then the logical expression was made flesh (human) and ... "lived" amongst us."

We see from the Pope's little video on fractals that patterns repeat themselves endlessly and are the essence of all shapes and actions we observe happening in our own "real" world. So let's assume that's true for everything ... (as a premise for testing the logic of what I'm going to propose).

In the Lord's prayer we see ... "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" ... or ... "as in heaven, so on earth." There we see an expression of mirroring.

Let's assume then (again, only as a premise and not as a mindless assumption/conclusion) ... that everything occurring on earth in our "real" world ... is a mirror of what is occurring with "God."

It's pretty easy to see what is happening on earth in OUR own world if we look carefully.

How do our own power structures work? Are they good or evil? Is it possible to have all good and no opportunity for evil to express itself? Who decides to "clean up" all the evil -like good housekeeping from time to time- so that it doesn't become so all-pervasive that it destroys everyone?

And then let's look at creation ...

We humans create ourselves some marvelous technology that is far greater than ourselves (in some respects) but totally stupid in comparison to ourselves in other respects. We can worship technology or we can despise it. It can serve good useful purpose but it can also turn into some terrible evil and be used against us. "It" ... is simply our own creation and yet "it" is something that we cannot be ourselves.

So let's think about "God" then ... in the same way. Suppose "God" is just an immense pool of diversified "mind" ... without material substance: pure logical mind/expression...

"God" created the heavens and earth; turned energy into "substance" ... in order to manifest something "greater" than itself ... just as we create technology to do and be something that we cannot do and be ourselves.

Suppose "God" -through agreement of its diversified mind- created human beings as a material expression of itself. Do we have any comparable example in our own "real" world to refer to?

I say that yes ... we do. We have our (relatively very new) ... computer age. Let's think of ourselves as "God" for a minute ... and our computer creation as "man."

It wasn't through an expression of pure love and light that the computer was created; it was thousands of individual -and often adverse- MINDS that created what we have today. They often fought with each other and hated each other and DESTROYED each other ... in their race to become the ultimate "winner".

The computer creators cooperated with each other through love of the system that they were creating and which was emerging. They certainly didn't love each OTHER as a primary starting point; they loved the creation they were serving ... with an "agape" love -- a love of dedication and sacrifice for the reward of achievement. They served selflessly but selfishly too. And then .... through their common servitude and respect for each others' achievements ... they also (often) developed other loves ... intimate and brotherly types of love for each other. (eros and fillio).

But there are definitely ALSO "evil" aspects to this whole creation thing ... and you never know WHO will TURN evil.

Microsoft is currently at the top of the heap with their operating system. They should be proud and benevolent ... but are they? Nope. The MORE power they get, the more intrusive, deceptive and tyrannical they become. Eventually, their consumers will say, "ENOUGH" ... drop the entire Microsoft system and go with something else. At that point, Microsoft will have destroyed ITSELF. Why? Is there any LOGIC to tyrannical behavior? Ultimately, no. There's no logic to explain the behavior and it leads to self-destruction but for some reason ... it always seems to happen regardless. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Perhaps the same phenomenon happens with "God" as well?

So ... summing up this whole premise now ...

"God" is only pure logical mind/expression which created the universe, life and humans as a MATERIAL manifestation of its will and wishes to give itself a capability it never had before. In this case ... "God" needs us every bit as much as we need God. In this case, we are greater than God because of what we can materially do. There is an engineer/computer relation here that's very hard to comprehend unless we look at what has actually happened with us. We create the computer which is greater than ourselves but ... the computer is useless and pointless without our use of it. It could be that the same is true for God and man.

In my premise, there is neither a good or evil "God". It created everything ... true ... but there is evil created as well and ... we can never know for sure if good might turn into evil from getting too much power/control.

God needs us as much as we need God because we are the physical manifestation of something that pure mind can NOT be.

God is keenly interested in what we do ... just as we are keenly interested in what computers can and will do.

And I think my paradigm fits in well with Bible description ... to logically explain the many seeming conflicts and contradictions contained within it. Tell me if/where/when you see that it doesn't.

-Vince
IN THE BEGINNING

Entering the Illusion

Imagine, if you will, a realm in which there is no height, width, depth or time - imagine an entity who lives in this realm - an entity called Llixgrijb. Imagine that poor Llixgrijb is trapped by some sort of extradimensional cave-in - there is no escape. But Llixgrijb cannot die. The consciousness will continue, all alone and completely paralyzed for eternity - or whatever the equivalent of eternity is in that realm. How would you deal with this situation? Perhaps you´d choose to create worlds in your mind, worlds within yourself.... Llixgrijb chose to create a universe.

Slowly, Llixgrijb thought about it. It thought of a concept called ´place´, and it chose to set about creating one - then another, then connecting them together. Llixgrijb created a vision in which everything was connected to everything else.

Now, outside of time and space, Llixgrijb started working on its greatest achievement: a universe with height, width, depth and time - a universe with the illusion of chronological history. And then it chose to create imaginary entities for its entertainment - imaginary entities like yourself, gentle reader. But Llixgrijb was afraid. "Suppose my creatures discover they are only phantoms," wondered Llixgrijb - "suppose they learn that I am the only reality...."

Outside of time and space, Llixgrijb was still dissatisfied. "I have created a world full of imaginary creatures," said Llixgrijb "and yet I am alone. How can this be?" Despite the populousness of its illusion, Llixgrijb could only watch its lovely universe from the outside. It had not forgotten its own suffering and loneliness. It was not fully a part of the creation it had made. "I must become part of my illusion," considered Llixgrijb, "and to do that, I must don a costume; I must wear a mask. I must forget myself forever. But what, or who, shall I become?"

To be continued. -- <em>"The Jamais Vu Papers"</em>

<em>.</em>

TCBP

 

"Genesis 1:1-4"

<em>In the beginning ... was infinite oneness </em>

<em>Then ... consciousness saw the light </em>

<em>Fear followed ... darkness claimed its part </em>

<em>The battle began ...</em>

 

Credevolution


Infinite Boredom

Through the dimensions we ranged, all powerful, immaculate; multi-dimensional creatures of light. We know all things (and quite a few things besides). We are infinity plus one. It is known to us we lack the very freedom afforded most of the creatures: the power of free will; the freedom to choose.

We existed, we are what we are, we have no other alternative; all powerful and universal, immortal; infinitely immortal - denizens of everywhere and nowhere. We had no substance, how could we? Substance is fixed, immutable. In this we perceived our devolution.


Regress To Impress

We conceived a solution to our infinite boredom. It was decided we could evolve backwards, regress to impress, and in one dimension we found a means to become, to gain substance; a means to forget, a means to know nothing. (Llixgrijb's dilemma)

We had discovered choice. Substance is fallible, it degrades, it ceases. Substance dies. We could choose death, we could even cease to exist.


The Plan

In our boredom we had not become so mad as to will our own extinction, we thus developed a plan. We chose some to stay behind, to be replaced in rotation. We chose masters of substance to hold the lore. We programmed these masters with the knowledge to become light once again so substance would have the means to continue as before, the means to regain infinity. All it would take is the will to relearn and the knowledge of the master.

We, the infinite, could choose to be substantial, the substantial could choose to be infinite, an elegant solution. The substantial could also choose to become ... no-thing; total death. (Llixgrijb's dilemma (re)solved)

The game was born.

 

Power

Within the light, a stain grew, a place where no light blossomed; darkness. Some had seen the possibility of a different evolution. An end to equality.

As related, linked, matters tend to affect each other, the inequality of substance had taught the light to perceive power. Some saw the chance to rule the light, to create a, never before immagined, universal heirarchy.


The Struggle Began

Darkness spawned knowledge in the substance who were not masters. This substance craved power, they used this knowledge to seek out those who upheld the lore. They seized the lore for themselves, subverted it, hid it, controlled it.

For the light-become-substance there was no way back. No freedom to choose, nothing left but extinction.......


The Light Fought Back

Careful to observe the dictates of our vision; the freedom to choose, we seeded the faithful with the means to return.

Over time, backwards and forwards, the knowledge passed from the darkness to the light, passed from the light to the darkness. Never any equilibrium, never any balance. The universal battle, the one true struggle ...... the fight for the freedom to choose.
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<p align="center">- reality as perceived is pre-determined, by the character of those who shape it -



rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

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June 12th, 2012, 12:42 pm #6

I do not see that as the cause of scriptural idiocy. The competition you speak of should have weeded out idiocies over time, not make more of them.

There was no competition because Constantine killed them off and tried to burn all their scriptures. He failed.

Regards
DL
your line of thought ...

The Christian movement -(actually called "the way")- was gnostic. They "invented" the concept of Jesus Christ by studying old scripture -(the Greek translation of old Hebrew writings which was called the Septuagint)- and interpreting meanings of perceived prophesies.

This Jesus Christ was to come -to appear- on the scene and fix everything for the Jews.

In anticipation of his arrival, these cell groups PRACTICED what they preached ... acting AS IF they were preparing the way for the arrival of this Jesus Christ. The groups were (likely) the Essenes, Ebionites ... maybe some others still not known.

They WROTE their perceptions and expectations.

Much later -around the middle of the second century- the ESTABLISHED churches had a problem because this Jesus Christ had still not arrived and their members were leaving. They then assigned scribes to go through the written archives and CONSTRUCT the arrival and life of Jesus Christ by compiling the story from the archives. These became known as "the 4 gospels."

The church (or some rabid group inside of the church) ... then DESTROYED the original works so that no one could check, compare and expose. They waged war on gnostics and essentially won.

Once the church was entrenched they -of course- became very corrupt and tyrannical. What they practiced was diabolically opposed to what the gnostics had stood for. This is how it always works: once a spiritual movement has been co-opted, it is turned into an institution for the purpose of enrichment and power. Power psychopaths don't give a fig for logic; they're after confusion and bamboozlement because this gives them advantage.

The key to spiritualism is that it's totally private. It CAN'T be explained by any person to any other person because EVERY person is located in a different place and HAS TO have a different perspective as a result. Spiritualism can never be turned into an organized institution. As soon as you do that ... you kill the spiritual aspect.

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June 13th, 2012, 6:25 am #7

Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

This quote indicates that the creation of evil is an ongoing process by God and that he creates evil for his pleasure. This makes sense in that God would not create something that he did not want in the world or that would displease him.

As a Gnostic Christian, I recognize that the concept of God is all myth.

Literal and historic belief did not generally come about till about the years 80. 50 years after the death of Jesus. In fact, Jesus was not declared divine till the Trinity concept was accepted, by the force of Constantine in 380.

Having said this, I recognize why the ancient thinkers would say that God is pleased when he creates evil in the world.

Do you understand how and why God gains pleasure from creating evil and sin?

If not, why do you think God would create evil and sin for his displeasure?

If God does not do or create evil as some think, then who else has the power to create evil?

Regards
DL
 

Ah yes, the ol' evil paradox.

<em>"Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. . . . If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. . . . If, as they say, God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?" -- Epicurus </em>



Schematic:

If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not.
There is evil in the world.
Therefore, an all-powerful and perfectly good god does not exist.
See Epicurus

Refinement:

God exists.
God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.
An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.
An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
An omnipotent being has the power to prevent evils from coming into existence.
A being that knows every way in which evil can come into existence; able to prevent evil from coming into existence; and wants to do so, would prevent the existence of evil.
If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent being, then no evil exists.
Evil exists.
Therefore, an omnipotent and omnibenevolent god does not.
 

As Epicurus put it:

<em>"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"</em>

 
<p align="center">- propositions which imply their own negation are necessarily false whereas propositions implied by their own negation are necessarily true -


rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

New!! Improved!! Now With CDEH-Formula!!


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June 13th, 2012, 7:21 pm #8

your line of thought ...

The Christian movement -(actually called "the way")- was gnostic. They "invented" the concept of Jesus Christ by studying old scripture -(the Greek translation of old Hebrew writings which was called the Septuagint)- and interpreting meanings of perceived prophesies.

This Jesus Christ was to come -to appear- on the scene and fix everything for the Jews.

In anticipation of his arrival, these cell groups PRACTICED what they preached ... acting AS IF they were preparing the way for the arrival of this Jesus Christ. The groups were (likely) the Essenes, Ebionites ... maybe some others still not known.

They WROTE their perceptions and expectations.

Much later -around the middle of the second century- the ESTABLISHED churches had a problem because this Jesus Christ had still not arrived and their members were leaving. They then assigned scribes to go through the written archives and CONSTRUCT the arrival and life of Jesus Christ by compiling the story from the archives. These became known as "the 4 gospels."

The church (or some rabid group inside of the church) ... then DESTROYED the original works so that no one could check, compare and expose. They waged war on gnostics and essentially won.

Once the church was entrenched they -of course- became very corrupt and tyrannical. What they practiced was diabolically opposed to what the gnostics had stood for. This is how it always works: once a spiritual movement has been co-opted, it is turned into an institution for the purpose of enrichment and power. Power psychopaths don't give a fig for logic; they're after confusion and bamboozlement because this gives them advantage.

The key to spiritualism is that it's totally private. It CAN'T be explained by any person to any other person because EVERY person is located in a different place and HAS TO have a different perspective as a result. Spiritualism can never be turned into an organized institution. As soon as you do that ... you kill the spiritual aspect.

-Vince
No argument here Vince.

You will appreciate what this bishop says to you.

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June 13th, 2012, 7:25 pm #9

IN THE BEGINNING

Entering the Illusion

Imagine, if you will, a realm in which there is no height, width, depth or time - imagine an entity who lives in this realm - an entity called Llixgrijb. Imagine that poor Llixgrijb is trapped by some sort of extradimensional cave-in - there is no escape. But Llixgrijb cannot die. The consciousness will continue, all alone and completely paralyzed for eternity - or whatever the equivalent of eternity is in that realm. How would you deal with this situation? Perhaps you´d choose to create worlds in your mind, worlds within yourself.... Llixgrijb chose to create a universe.

Slowly, Llixgrijb thought about it. It thought of a concept called ´place´, and it chose to set about creating one - then another, then connecting them together. Llixgrijb created a vision in which everything was connected to everything else.

Now, outside of time and space, Llixgrijb started working on its greatest achievement: a universe with height, width, depth and time - a universe with the illusion of chronological history. And then it chose to create imaginary entities for its entertainment - imaginary entities like yourself, gentle reader. But Llixgrijb was afraid. "Suppose my creatures discover they are only phantoms," wondered Llixgrijb - "suppose they learn that I am the only reality...."

Outside of time and space, Llixgrijb was still dissatisfied. "I have created a world full of imaginary creatures," said Llixgrijb "and yet I am alone. How can this be?" Despite the populousness of its illusion, Llixgrijb could only watch its lovely universe from the outside. It had not forgotten its own suffering and loneliness. It was not fully a part of the creation it had made. "I must become part of my illusion," considered Llixgrijb, "and to do that, I must don a costume; I must wear a mask. I must forget myself forever. But what, or who, shall I become?"

To be continued. -- <em>"The Jamais Vu Papers"</em>

<em>.</em>

TCBP

 

"Genesis 1:1-4"

<em>In the beginning ... was infinite oneness </em>

<em>Then ... consciousness saw the light </em>

<em>Fear followed ... darkness claimed its part </em>

<em>The battle began ...</em>

 

Credevolution


Infinite Boredom

Through the dimensions we ranged, all powerful, immaculate; multi-dimensional creatures of light. We know all things (and quite a few things besides). We are infinity plus one. It is known to us we lack the very freedom afforded most of the creatures: the power of free will; the freedom to choose.

We existed, we are what we are, we have no other alternative; all powerful and universal, immortal; infinitely immortal - denizens of everywhere and nowhere. We had no substance, how could we? Substance is fixed, immutable. In this we perceived our devolution.


Regress To Impress

We conceived a solution to our infinite boredom. It was decided we could evolve backwards, regress to impress, and in one dimension we found a means to become, to gain substance; a means to forget, a means to know nothing. (Llixgrijb's dilemma)

We had discovered choice. Substance is fallible, it degrades, it ceases. Substance dies. We could choose death, we could even cease to exist.


The Plan

In our boredom we had not become so mad as to will our own extinction, we thus developed a plan. We chose some to stay behind, to be replaced in rotation. We chose masters of substance to hold the lore. We programmed these masters with the knowledge to become light once again so substance would have the means to continue as before, the means to regain infinity. All it would take is the will to relearn and the knowledge of the master.

We, the infinite, could choose to be substantial, the substantial could choose to be infinite, an elegant solution. The substantial could also choose to become ... no-thing; total death. (Llixgrijb's dilemma (re)solved)

The game was born.

 

Power

Within the light, a stain grew, a place where no light blossomed; darkness. Some had seen the possibility of a different evolution. An end to equality.

As related, linked, matters tend to affect each other, the inequality of substance had taught the light to perceive power. Some saw the chance to rule the light, to create a, never before immagined, universal heirarchy.


The Struggle Began

Darkness spawned knowledge in the substance who were not masters. This substance craved power, they used this knowledge to seek out those who upheld the lore. They seized the lore for themselves, subverted it, hid it, controlled it.

For the light-become-substance there was no way back. No freedom to choose, nothing left but extinction.......


The Light Fought Back

Careful to observe the dictates of our vision; the freedom to choose, we seeded the faithful with the means to return.

Over time, backwards and forwards, the knowledge passed from the darkness to the light, passed from the light to the darkness. Never any equilibrium, never any balance. The universal battle, the one true struggle ...... the fight for the freedom to choose.
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<p align="center">- reality as perceived is pre-determined, by the character of those who shape it -



rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

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CD: short for inevitability
Great shades of the Matrix.

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June 13th, 2012, 7:26 pm #10

Isaiah45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Jonah3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

1 Chronicles21:15
And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand.
Thanks for this.

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